Depends on what sort of engineering or if it’s is grudge work IT.

As far as a new grad, I don’t think h1bs really affect things that much.

New grads tend to be cheap. We we hired new grads, it wasn’t pay that mattered. It was how solid the candidate was. We paid the same regardless of their visa status.

I am sure though, there are plenty that would disagree though. Particularly those that aren’t engineers.

I don’t think anything meaningful will change on the H1-b front.

flu is wrong on the IT grudge work. The grudge work is starting to come back on shore. It’s all the mid-level/high level IT stuff now that is mostly getting impacted because of the pay differential.

IMO, the H1-b and more importantly, the outsourcing stances are really just management exercises in addressing core structural problems they’ve been lax in addressing for a long time. It’s the path of least resistance. They can address the cost impact of the speed/cost/quality triangle without having to address the underlying demands affecting the utilization.

It doesn’t fix the problem but does for executive management fix the cost/headcount issues that are often spiraling out of control. IT often has been treated as a public good in corporations and all the demand problems that go along with that. Essentially, the corp execs privatize it.

The one thing flu is right on this front is that you should intervene if your graduate is about to take an IT position. It would be like taking a manufacturing job in 1980s, IMHO. Sure there will be jobs around, but displacement, chaos will be the norm.

[quote=njtosd][quote=flu] and there would be ridiculous amount of six sigma processes [/quote]

Is that still a thing?[/quote]

No, but there’s other equally painful, over the top processes
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No, don’t backtrack. A good 80% of IT work is ‘grudge’ work. Most IT orgs are running 80% maintenance/20% new.

Maintenance is defacto grudge work, even if it is skilled. Even within that, there’s a pecking order of “grudge” being the first level service people. That is coming back. Most of maintenance that is going is gone that which remains, remains because of on-shore fears of not being able to touch their IT support or other embedded concerns. Make no mistake, a properly functioning and efficient IT maintenance organization has reduced the positions to a factory assembly line role. that’s grudge, IMHO.

Even then, it isn’t the grudge work getting outsourced anyore, it’s new development work of architecting, designing, building and implementing the new solution.

In fact, the more non-vanilla the major implementation is, the more likily it will be outsourced and done off shore. Almost every major ERP/CRM implementation even when “kept in-house” is 80% outsourced and the majority of it is off-shore. Almost all the custom coding will be done off-shore.

Some like Tata are completely off-shore with an on-shore team of mostly H1-b/H2-bs and others are “hybridized” with anywhere from a 5-20% on shore mix.

[quote=scaredyclassic]mechanical eng.

hes open to being part of the military industrial complex.[/quote]

My first thought, he should probably be beating the door down on places like SpaceX.

[quote=no_such_reality]No, don’t backtrack. A good 80% of IT work is ‘grudge’ work. Most IT orgs are running 80% maintenance/20% new.

Maintenance is defacto grudge work, even if it is skilled. Even within that, there’s a pecking order of “grudge” being the first level service people. That is coming back. Most of maintenance that is going is gone that which remains, remains because of on-shore fears of not being able to touch their IT support or other embedded concerns. Make no mistake, a properly functioning and efficient IT maintenance organization has reduced the positions to a factory assembly line role. that’s grudge, IMHO.

Even then, it isn’t the grudge work getting outsourced anyore, it’s new development work of architecting, designing, building and implementing the new solution.

In fact, the more non-vanilla the major implementation is, the more likily it will be outsourced and done off shore. Almost every major ERP/CRM implementation even when “kept in-house” is 80% outsourced and the majority of it is off-shore. Almost all the custom coding will be done off-shore.

Some like Tata are completely off-shore with an on-shore team of mostly H1-b/H2-bs and others are “hybridized” with anywhere from a 5-20% on shore mix.[/quote]

IT work at a non-tech focused company just sucks donkey butt, imho. That’s from my brief experience. If you want to do IT, work at a software company that creates the IT solution/app/backend that other companies use…Don’t work for in house IT group that implements some backoffice function for RTB functionality of a company.

[quote=spdrun]As far as IT work, do you mean “grunt” work?
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No it’s grudge work, like hitmen and similar professions.