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July 20, 2016 at 11:51 PM #22053July 21, 2016 at 7:24 AM #799773
spdrun
ParticipantSpyware, plain and simple. Unless it talks to a device directly via NAT/VPN or ipv6, of course. Goes for Apple, M$, and Google equally.
July 21, 2016 at 9:28 AM #799777FlyerInHi
GuestYeah, spyware. But I don’t care. I want convenience and easy of implementation.
What company will have ease of implementation? I have a second home and I want to control locks, lights, etc… I now have different things and it’s not seamless.
Privacy issues raise a lot of questions. Will law enforcement be able to access data to investigate?
July 21, 2016 at 1:03 PM #799782plm
ParticipantI’m trying to automate things in my house as well and I chose Amazon since I don’t carry my smartphone around with me when at home. Several Echo’s placed around the house allow music and light switch control via voice commands but they do need to integrate in more devices. I’ll be more automated once I install an Ecobee thermostat I just bought.
But to be honest, the main use is music.
I’ve found the most important thing is ease of use so voice commands is a must for me. Google Home may be interesting when it’s available.
July 21, 2016 at 5:06 PM #799789dumbrenter
Participant[quote=spdrun]Spyware, plain and simple. Unless it talks to a device directly via NAT/VPN or ipv6, of course. Goes for Apple, M$, and Google equally.[/quote]
Spyware, schmyware… it is all about music. Folks would give away their names, relationships and location on social/dating sites for free… you don’t need to mine that from echo
July 21, 2016 at 5:57 PM #799790ParticipantBig difference between putting a hot microphone in every home, and people posting information that they choose to post on social/dating sites.
Also, most social/dating sites are free, so no need for them to be tied to a real identity. A lot of people use burner emails and a second prepaid cell for such things.
BTW – music, schmusic. It’s free on Bittorrent, and then it’s stored on your own HDD under your control. If you want to support the band, go to a concert, don’t buy their songs.
July 21, 2016 at 7:53 PM #799795moneymaker
ParticipantWas watching Terminator the other day and when Skynet is mentioned just immediately thought about Google. Most people don’t have a clue of the power they have to spy. They know where everybody is, where they are going, more so than the government. As far as home automation I would like to have motorized shades and windows that will crack open according to temperature outside compared to inside.
July 21, 2016 at 8:39 PM #799796ParticipantShades and windows don’t need to communicate with anything outside the home.
July 21, 2016 at 8:52 PM #799797ParticipantWifi garage door controller? Would anyone use it from afar? Suppose for a McMansion or senile person it might make sense.
July 21, 2016 at 9:07 PM #799798Participant[quote=spdrun]Shades and windows don’t need to communicate with anything outside the home.[/quote] Wouldn’t it be nice though to have all the windows crack open say 6-8 inches when it is cooler outside than inside,then close again when the temp differential started increasing again. Personally wifi jacuzzi would work for me. Had a rough day? Fire that puppy up before leaving work.
July 21, 2016 at 9:13 PM #799799ParticipantSure, but none of this requires Scroggle, Crapple, Amazon, or M$ to act as intermediaries. Just a few sensors, a hub/brain box, and a few motor controllers.
If there was a common standard for connecting to devices in the home, I shouldn’t need to use an intermediary to fire up the jacuzzi either, just connect to my home’s router (ideally with an outward-facing static ipv6 addy) and be able to see my Jacuzzi’s mobile web interface directly.
July 21, 2016 at 9:24 PM #799801ltsddd
Participantself-cleaning solar panels would be nice….I post this after taking a peak at what MM posted on another thread.
July 22, 2016 at 9:52 AM #799807GuestI agree with you spdrun, for my own home. But I allow friends and family to stay at my second home and I need to monitor it, because i can’t totally trust other people.
For example, I like the Nest Thermostat because it has an auto away feature. My brothher who has wife and kid uses it too because his family will not set back the thermostat when they leave the house. It’s not something you program for a family that is in an out all the time.
The products all require an intermediary, so you got to buy what’s available or do without.
Moneymaker, I have the Chamberlain app to open my friend’s garage door. Sometimes i stop by to check the mail. It tells you the status of your garage door. Did you ever forget to close your garage door?
July 22, 2016 at 11:11 AM #799812Participant[quote=spdrun]Sure, but none of this requires Scroggle, Crapple, Amazon, or M$ to act as intermediaries. Just a few sensors, a hub/brain box, and a few motor controllers.
If there was a common standard for connecting to devices in the home, I shouldn’t need to use an intermediary to fire up the jacuzzi either, just connect to my home’s router (ideally with an outward-facing static ipv6 addy) and be able to see my Jacuzzi’s mobile web interface directly.[/quote]
Why don’t you just go buy those instead of dissing honest, ‘do-no-evil’ nice corporates like crapple, amazon etc.?
They need to intermediate on the data to help people save energy because the people are too freaking lazy to shut the lights off or set the thermostat before running off to their low-wage jobs in the morning. They would rather slave away for longer hours and oursource that job to msft or aapl to shut the lights off for them
July 22, 2016 at 11:35 AM #799814ParticipantActually, they don’t. CPU power and memory is cheap. No reason for a learning thermostat or controller to need to communicate with the Borg Collective, back and forth.
All data that it needs to develop its program is available locally or via the user’s phone.
IPv6 (practical meaning: static IP ranges for all homes) is coming. There shouldn’t be any need for an intermediary (other than data theft for profit) once every home is routable. Phone can talk directly to a thermostat, possibly via a VPN.
I’d be willing to pay say 2-3x the price of a Nest for a thermostat that doesn’t engage in data rape.
Good stuff here:
http://www.networkthermostat.com/products/wi-fi-thermostatsAbout $450 a device, but WiFi enabled, built in Web server, and cloudfree.
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