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September 15, 2014 at 9:47 PM #21241September 15, 2014 at 10:03 PM #778060spdrunParticipant
Bullshit and humbug. Talk about medicalizing normal human variations. Bet the makers of BP drugs are just lickin’ their chops, smellin’ new sales.
September 15, 2014 at 10:27 PM #778061flyerParticipantI’m not an MD, but I always thought 120/80 was considered optimal. Even my FAA First Class Medical has higher limits than that for BP. (I’m 6’3″, around 194lbs.)
September 16, 2014 at 3:37 AM #778064CA renterParticipantBoth flyer and spdrun are correct. For years, 120/80 was optimal. Before that, they even considered 100+your age as decent for the systolic (top) number. They’ve changed the acceptable levels over the years.
IMHO, it is all about the pharmaceutical/healthcare industry trying to create more patients with “chronic” conditions that need to be “treated.”
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What Is a Normal Blood Pressure Reading?
Currently the textbook definition of normal blood pressure is 120/80 mmHg. But the definition of “normal” has changed over the years.
At one time, it was believed that normal systolic blood pressure was 100 plus your age. In the 1970s, intervention wasn’t even recommended until pressures exceeded 165/95. Prior to 2003, 140/90 was considered normal.
In 2003, however, a new classification was made. Now a blood pressure of 120/80 is considered normal, and blood pressure readings of 130–139 are considered “pre-hypertension.” Readings above 140/90 are considered high blood pressure, and the current thinking is that anyone falling into this category should be taking medication to lower blood pressure.
A study in the Journal of the American Medical Association has suggested the risk of cardiovascular disease can be reduced even more by lowering blood pressure in people whose readings are already 120/80 or less. I don’t know if the blood pressure guidelines will be lowered again, but it will be interesting to watch how it all plays out.
http://www.drdavidwilliams.com/normal-blood-pressure-reading/
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From December 2013:
New guidelines suggest that people over 60 can have a higher blood pressure than previously recommended before starting treatment to lower it. The advice, criticized by some physicians, changes treatment goals that have been in place for more than 30 years.
Until now, people were told to strive for blood pressures below 140/90, with some taking multiple drugs to achieve that goal. But the guidelines committee, which spent five years reviewing evidence, concluded that the goal for people over 60 should be a systolic pressure of less than 150. And the diastolic goal should remain less than 90.
September 16, 2014 at 5:53 AM #778065The-ShovelerParticipantMy Mother is in her mid 80’s and takes BP medicine when needed,
Her BP goes up and down drastically sometimes it seems.
But she says she feels terrible if her BP goes below 145 or so.
She feels much better if her BP is on the higher end, go figure.September 16, 2014 at 6:04 AM #778066UCGalParticipantI had bp of 110/68 the other day and was told it was “excellent”.
I know age plays into it as well… tends to rise a bit as you get into your 40’s and up. (I was 110/65 consistently through my 30’s… then it started being more like 125/85)
I agree that the change in “standards” is probably related to a push by big pharma. I will *never* go on cholesteral or bp medicine unless there is a specific underlying condition they can thoroughly explain. (They still can’t explain *why* high cholesteral is bad – just the statistical risk.) Fortunately, my cholesteral tends to be low, also.
September 16, 2014 at 9:16 PM #778130njtosdParticipantI don’t know what doctors you are seeing, but the American Heart Association (who receives less than 3% of its funding from pharma, insurance companies and device manufacturers) says that anything under 120/80 is normal. So technically your systolic is one point above the cut-off. Is someone really trying to give you meds for this, or have they just said that you should keep an eye on it? Same with your weight. There is a difference between reporting desirable levels and actively treating a condition.
(If you’re lucky enough to be built like a football player, you probably have nothing to be worried about.)
September 16, 2014 at 9:42 PM #778131FlyerInHiGuestHow about cutting salt intake and see the result?
My dad drastically cut his salt intake at age 70. He’s now 84 and has never taken any BP or cholesterol medication. I don’t see why he won’t live to 100 which is only 16 years away.
I think that we get way too much salt in out food. Cavemen got very little salt, if you believe the Paleo diet.
September 16, 2014 at 10:43 PM #778133flyerParticipantAgree about the salt. Cut it considerably a few years ago. Along with eating well, exercising, maintaining a decent weight, and trying to stay as “stress free” as possible, I’m now in my 50’s and take no medication of any kind–neither does my wife. My MD, says to just to keep doing what I’m doing.
No one ever knows what tomorrow may bring, but, for now, we’re both grateful for our health.
September 17, 2014 at 10:34 PM #778169njtosdParticipant[quote=FlyerInHi]How about cutting salt intake and see the result?
My dad drastically cut his salt intake at age 70. He’s now 84 and has never taken any BP or cholesterol medication. I don’t see why he won’t live to 100 which is only 16 years away.
I think that we get way too much salt in out food. Cavemen got very little salt, if you believe the Paleo diet.[/quote]
Interesting analysis of many studies – suggests that sodium consumption of average American within healthy boundaries and that CDC recommendations may be unhealthfully low.
http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/news/20140402/cdc-salt-guidelines-too-low-for-good-health-study-suggestsOnce again – even though I am a science-y type, I am hesitant to believe the conventional wisdom. There are too many people out there who want to publish data that support popular beliefs (finally some accurate info is coming out about saturated fats, too).
The truth is likely to be much more complicated than “exercise + veggies + self discipline = long life.” I would be more likely to believe someone who said that “exercise + moderate consumption of preservatives (some of which are antioxidants) + a smidge of gin = long life.” It would be more believable to me because it wouldn’t be designed to feed in to the self righteousness that we see (ahem) in some places.
September 18, 2014 at 6:28 AM #778172scaredyclassicParticipanti eat a lot of salt , bags of pretzels, and have very low blood pressure.
here is the recipe for long life.
Food and water, plus a lot of desire to get laid, plus a general lack of anxiety, and a grim determination to keep on going plus some alcohol and the occasional nut, = long life.
September 18, 2014 at 11:19 AM #778175FlyerInHiGuestWell, I think that different people have different tolerances.
But if your doctor says you have high blood pressure, then you might want to try reducing salt intake first.
Doctors and scientists have knowledge but they don’t implement it much more than the average person. Also, scientific studies focus on 1 or just several control factors. They can’t possibly study on whole lifestyles. Food is so culturally ingrained that a doctor from Japan and a doctor from the Middle East would recommend different things.
One of my long time friend is a doc. He looks 20 years older than me. If it was easy, then doctors would outlive the general population.
September 18, 2014 at 9:40 PM #778180moneymakerParticipantWikipedia says 120-139 is the prehypertension range. I don’t have a regular doctor, but if I did I’m pretty sure he would say my blood pressure is fine. If he said otherwise I would get another doctor. I weigh 200 lbs dripping wet, which is exactly what I plan to be after hitting the treadmill tomorrow.
September 18, 2014 at 10:07 PM #778181njtosdParticipantIn your original post, you said you were “pre-hypertensi[ve] according to the doctors.” Now you say “I don’t have a regular doctor, but if I did I’m pretty sure he would say my blood pressure is fine.” Which is it?
September 19, 2014 at 11:42 AM #778195moneymakerParticipantWhen I said according to the doctors I was referencing a written report from a health screening, just checked my BP after doing the treadmill for 30 minutes then laying down for 15 minutes my BP registered 98/60, so I took it again and it was 93/56. Wow! cured after exercise. Just goes to show that BP can be all over the place.
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