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March 6, 2012 at 11:54 AM #19570March 6, 2012 at 1:02 PM #739400svelteParticipant
That’s pretty good. I wonder if it has to do with Prius drivers being overly cautious, at least from what I’ve observed.
It all depends on how you slice and dice it, but it isn’t in the lowest 25 as given in the IIHS list:
http://www.iihs.org/externaldata/srdata/docs/sr4605.pdf
It does well within it’s size class (small), tying with the Mazda 3.
The five cars with the lowest driver fatalities:
Audi A6 4dr 4wd
Mercedes E-class 4dr 4wd
Toyota Sienna
Ford Edge
Nissan ArmadaThe five cars with the highest driver fatalities:
Nissan 350Z 2dr
Nissan Titan crew cab
Chevrolet Aveo
Chevrolet Cobalt
Nissan Titan extended cabInteresting to note a 350Z driver died on I-15 last month, racing another car down an onramp to the freeway at Lake Hodges.
March 6, 2012 at 1:48 PM #739408RenParticipantInteresting – I would think the Prius death rate would be higher, due to the anger focused on them.
March 6, 2012 at 2:14 PM #739412sdrealtorParticipantI would think it was lower as top speed is 23 MPH
March 6, 2012 at 3:21 PM #739422ocrenterParticipant[quote=sdrealtor]I would think it was lower as top speed is 23 MPH[/quote]
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20044628,00.html
Al Gore must have fixed up his son’s Prius.
March 6, 2012 at 8:33 PM #739434paramountParticipant[quote=svelte]
Interesting to note a 350Z driver died on I-15 last month, racing another car down an onramp to the freeway at Lake Hodges.[/quote]
I was wondering what had happened, I saw that accident going home; it looked like the car struck a pole but I didn’t see a pole nearby.
March 6, 2012 at 8:50 PM #739437svelteParticipant[quote=paramount][quote=svelte]
Interesting to note a 350Z driver died on I-15 last month, racing another car down an onramp to the freeway at Lake Hodges.[/quote]
I was wondering what had happened, I saw that accident going home; it looked like the car struck a pole but I didn’t see a pole nearby.[/quote]
He was entering I-15 southbound from via rancho, was racing a black pickup, lost control and hit the pole on the right edge of the roadway. That sent him careening into the center divide. Died on the spot. Young guy, early 20s as I recall.
March 6, 2012 at 9:01 PM #739438EmilyHicksParticipantThis data is deaths per 100 mil cars which is not the same as death per 100 mil miles driven because we know that Prius drivers on average drive a lot more than an average drivers hence the need for a Prius.
[quote=svelte]That’s pretty good. I wonder if it has to do with Prius drivers being overly cautious, at least from what I’ve observed.
It all depends on how you slice and dice it, but it isn’t in the lowest 25 as given in the IIHS list:
http://www.iihs.org/externaldata/srdata/docs/sr4605.pdf
It does well within it’s size class (small), tying with the Mazda 3.
The five cars with the lowest driver fatalities:
Audi A6 4dr 4wd
Mercedes E-class 4dr 4wd
Toyota Sienna
Ford Edge
Nissan ArmadaThe five cars with the highest driver fatalities:
Nissan 350Z 2dr
Nissan Titan crew cab
Chevrolet Aveo
Chevrolet Cobalt
Nissan Titan extended cabInteresting to note a 350Z driver died on I-15 last month, racing another car down an onramp to the freeway at Lake Hodges.[/quote]
March 6, 2012 at 9:04 PM #739439svelteParticipant[quote=EmilyHicks]This data is deaths per 100 mil cars which is not the same as death per 100 mil miles driven because we know that Prius drivers on average drive a lot more than an average drivers hence the need for a Prius.
[/quote]Please supply link offering proof.
March 6, 2012 at 9:38 PM #739441paramountParticipant[quote=svelte][quote=paramount][quote=svelte]
Interesting to note a 350Z driver died on I-15 last month, racing another car down an onramp to the freeway at Lake Hodges.[/quote]
I was wondering what had happened, I saw that accident going home; it looked like the car struck a pole but I didn’t see a pole nearby.[/quote]
He was entering I-15 southbound from via rancho, was racing a black pickup, lost control and hit the pole on the right edge of the roadway. That sent him careening into the center divide. Died on the spot. Young guy, early 20s as I recall.[/quote]
Most unfortunate, I found the video here:
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Crash-Street-Racing-Escondido-Derek-Millsap–138066378.html
March 7, 2012 at 6:26 AM #739444svelteParticipant[quote=svelte][quote=EmilyHicks]This data is deaths per 100 mil cars which is not the same as death per 100 mil miles driven because we know that Prius drivers on average drive a lot more than an average drivers hence the need for a Prius.
[/quote]Please supply link offering proof.[/quote]
Actually, I just did 3 searches for all 2008 Civics, Mazda3s, and Prius within 100 miles of San Marcos on AutoTrader.
When I added their mileages and divided by number of cars, here is what I found:
2008 Prius: 15,600 miles/year (73 cars found)
2008 Civic: 13,400 miles/year (188 cars found)
2008 Mazda3: 13,400 miles/year (51 cars found)So Prius averages 2,200 more miles per year. Higher mileage cars usually have freeway miles. Freeways are safer than other roads. Extra miles probably a wash when factoring in more freeway miles?
http://www.bts.gov/publications/national_transportation_statistics/html/table_02_18.html
March 7, 2012 at 6:46 AM #739447EmilyHicksParticipantdelete
March 7, 2012 at 7:40 AM #739451NavydocParticipantSurprisingly all these safety statistics about the Prius don’t make me feel any safer around them, since I bounced off the hood of one last year. The only safe car is one being driven by someone who is aware of their surroundings and understands the capabilites and limitations of their vehicle.
Your high milelage presumption is interesting svelte, as Prius gas mileage on the highway isn’t all that great. Their biggest advantage is in stop-start driving. It has always been my contention that the average Prius driver would get better mileage and thus less environmental impact from a Jetta diesel. Your numbers might support that. I wonder if we can get HOV stickers for diesels? (Ha Ha)
March 7, 2012 at 8:28 AM #739455EmilyHicksParticipantPrius gas mileage on the highway is around 50 mpg ±5mpg depending on how you drive. I consistently get over 50 mpg.
Jetta’s combined mpg is 34, Prius’s is 49. That is a 44% difference. Prius’s total carbon dioxide emissions are 4 tons per year, compared to 6.2 for a six-speed manual VW Jetta diesel according to the EPA. These numbers assume 15,000 miles per year, 45 percent in the city, 55 on the highway.
If they make a diesel hybrid, now, I think that would be great.
[quote=Navydoc]as Prius gas mileage on the highway isn’t all that great. Their biggest advantage is in stop-start driving. It has always been my contention that the average Prius driver would get better mileage and thus less environmental impact from a Jetta diesel. Your numbers might support that. I wonder if we can get HOV stickers for diesels? (Ha Ha)[/quote]
March 7, 2012 at 10:41 AM #739464blahblahblahParticipant[quote=Navydoc]
Your high milelage presumption is interesting svelte, as Prius gas mileage on the highway isn’t all that great. Their biggest advantage is in stop-start driving. It has always been my contention that the average Prius driver would get better mileage and thus less environmental impact from a Jetta diesel. Your numbers might support that. I wonder if we can get HOV stickers for diesels? (Ha Ha)[/quote]Our Prius averaged over 45mpg on a recent round trip to Vegas, including over all of the hills and through lots of wind. Turbo diesels do get good long distance mileage but the majority of people drive most of their miles in daily commutes through start/stop traffic. Popular Mechanics did a comparison of the Jetta TDI and the Prius that demonstrates this well. Yes the TDI performed better on the highway — by .6mpg. In city driving the Prius beat the Jetta TDI by 12.7mpg and again, that’s where most of us do most of our driving.
Also, the yellow stickers are no longer available. If you want to drive solo in the HOV lane you’re going to need to go electric.
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