[ocrenter]

[quote=CardiffBaseball]

One misconception from another post ocrenter, fatty foods will not leave you hungry later on, they are quite satiating.[/quote]

fatty food routinely lead to overeating in the research environment.

you mentioned the Paleo diet previously. that is not a high fat diet. it focus on lean meats, reduce carb intake and change the carbs to whole grain.

[ocrenter]

[quote=CardiffBaseball]

One misconception from another post ocrenter, fatty foods will not leave you hungry later on, they are quite satiating.[/quote]

fatty food routinely lead to overeating in the research environment.

you mentioned the Paleo diet previously. that is not a high fat diet. it focus on lean meats, reduce carb intake and change the carbs to whole grain.

[ocrenter]

[quote=CA renter]

You’re assuming that someone “becomes” fat in the first place. There are some people who are born overweight (even when the mothers were not overweight, and did not gain more than the recommended amounts during their pregnancies) — people who were NEVER “normal” weight in their entire lives, even when they were exclusively nursing as babies.[/quote]

again, if you look at the obese population of today, the vast majority “become” obese. yes, I agree with you, there are a small minority of the population that will always be obese via a combination of slow metabolism or susceptibility to the addictive potential of food or prenatal issues as mentioned by navydoc.

if you look at population data, you’ll understand what I mean.

if you go back to the 50’s, we had 10% obesity rate and 33% overweight rate, and no data on the severely obese. now we have 5% severely obese, 34% obesity rate and 33% overweight rate.

therefore, at least 2/3 of the obese population we are looking at today “became” obese from what was suppose to be overweight genetics. and 1/2 of the normal genetic population “became” overweight. meanwhile, 1/2 of the folks with obese genetics “became” severely obese.

[ocrenter]

[quote=CA renter]

You’re assuming that someone “becomes” fat in the first place. There are some people who are born overweight (even when the mothers were not overweight, and did not gain more than the recommended amounts during their pregnancies) — people who were NEVER “normal” weight in their entire lives, even when they were exclusively nursing as babies.[/quote]

again, if you look at the obese population of today, the vast majority “become” obese. yes, I agree with you, there are a small minority of the population that will always be obese via a combination of slow metabolism or susceptibility to the addictive potential of food or prenatal issues as mentioned by navydoc.

if you look at population data, you’ll understand what I mean.

if you go back to the 50’s, we had 10% obesity rate and 33% overweight rate, and no data on the severely obese. now we have 5% severely obese, 34% obesity rate and 33% overweight rate.

therefore, at least 2/3 of the obese population we are looking at today “became” obese from what was suppose to be overweight genetics. and 1/2 of the normal genetic population “became” overweight. meanwhile, 1/2 of the folks with obese genetics “became” severely obese.

[ocrenter]

[quote=CA renter]

You’re assuming that someone “becomes” fat in the first place. There are some people who are born overweight (even when the mothers were not overweight, and did not gain more than the recommended amounts during their pregnancies) — people who were NEVER “normal” weight in their entire lives, even when they were exclusively nursing as babies.[/quote]

again, if you look at the obese population of today, the vast majority “become” obese. yes, I agree with you, there are a small minority of the population that will always be obese via a combination of slow metabolism or susceptibility to the addictive potential of food or prenatal issues as mentioned by navydoc.

if you look at population data, you’ll understand what I mean.

if you go back to the 50’s, we had 10% obesity rate and 33% overweight rate, and no data on the severely obese. now we have 5% severely obese, 34% obesity rate and 33% overweight rate.

therefore, at least 2/3 of the obese population we are looking at today “became” obese from what was suppose to be overweight genetics. and 1/2 of the normal genetic population “became” overweight. meanwhile, 1/2 of the folks with obese genetics “became” severely obese.

[ocrenter]

[quote=CA renter]

You’re assuming that someone “becomes” fat in the first place. There are some people who are born overweight (even when the mothers were not overweight, and did not gain more than the recommended amounts during their pregnancies) — people who were NEVER “normal” weight in their entire lives, even when they were exclusively nursing as babies.[/quote]

again, if you look at the obese population of today, the vast majority “become” obese. yes, I agree with you, there are a small minority of the population that will always be obese via a combination of slow metabolism or susceptibility to the addictive potential of food or prenatal issues as mentioned by navydoc.

if you look at population data, you’ll understand what I mean.

if you go back to the 50’s, we had 10% obesity rate and 33% overweight rate, and no data on the severely obese. now we have 5% severely obese, 34% obesity rate and 33% overweight rate.

therefore, at least 2/3 of the obese population we are looking at today “became” obese from what was suppose to be overweight genetics. and 1/2 of the normal genetic population “became” overweight. meanwhile, 1/2 of the folks with obese genetics “became” severely obese.

[ocrenter]

[quote=CA renter]

You’re assuming that someone “becomes” fat in the first place. There are some people who are born overweight (even when the mothers were not overweight, and did not gain more than the recommended amounts during their pregnancies) — people who were NEVER “normal” weight in their entire lives, even when they were exclusively nursing as babies.[/quote]

again, if you look at the obese population of today, the vast majority “become” obese. yes, I agree with you, there are a small minority of the population that will always be obese via a combination of slow metabolism or susceptibility to the addictive potential of food or prenatal issues as mentioned by navydoc.

if you look at population data, you’ll understand what I mean.

if you go back to the 50’s, we had 10% obesity rate and 33% overweight rate, and no data on the severely obese. now we have 5% severely obese, 34% obesity rate and 33% overweight rate.

therefore, at least 2/3 of the obese population we are looking at today “became” obese from what was suppose to be overweight genetics. and 1/2 of the normal genetic population “became” overweight. meanwhile, 1/2 of the folks with obese genetics “became” severely obese.

[ocrenter]

[quote=CA renter]
We’re talking about people who eat fruit, nuts, vegetables, whole-wheat bread (open-faced sandwiches to minimize caloric intake), etc. That’s exactly the point.[/quote]

HOLD ON HERE!

how many obese people out there got to the state of obesity eating only fruit, nuts, vegetables, whole wheat bread???

We have two issues here. How people become obese and what happens after.

People get to the state of obesity by eating more than their metabolism allows. And it is very hard to get to the state of obesity eating the food you just outlined. And the main reason is you do not get into the addiction cycle with the food you listed. The addiction cycle (refined starch and fat are well known to upregulate hormones that stimulate appetite and increase craving) is what lead to the obesity because raw biochemical desire takes on the driver’s seat and you lose control.

Now once someone become obese. Then a whole different process take over. Metabolism slows down even more, insulin (which is a growth hormone) need to increase because of insulin resistance. And most of all, the body has an intrinsic defense AGAINST weight loss. So people will try to lose weight, they lose 5-10 lbs, then the body senses what is going on and activates Operation-Hold-On-To-Fat. So it is quite realistic to see someone eating the food you mentioned but stay obese.

[ocrenter]

[quote=CA renter]
We’re talking about people who eat fruit, nuts, vegetables, whole-wheat bread (open-faced sandwiches to minimize caloric intake), etc. That’s exactly the point.[/quote]

HOLD ON HERE!

how many obese people out there got to the state of obesity eating only fruit, nuts, vegetables, whole wheat bread???

We have two issues here. How people become obese and what happens after.

People get to the state of obesity by eating more than their metabolism allows. And it is very hard to get to the state of obesity eating the food you just outlined. And the main reason is you do not get into the addiction cycle with the food you listed. The addiction cycle (refined starch and fat are well known to upregulate hormones that stimulate appetite and increase craving) is what lead to the obesity because raw biochemical desire takes on the driver’s seat and you lose control.

Now once someone become obese. Then a whole different process take over. Metabolism slows down even more, insulin (which is a growth hormone) need to increase because of insulin resistance. And most of all, the body has an intrinsic defense AGAINST weight loss. So people will try to lose weight, they lose 5-10 lbs, then the body senses what is going on and activates Operation-Hold-On-To-Fat. So it is quite realistic to see someone eating the food you mentioned but stay obese.

[ocrenter]

[quote=CA renter]
We’re talking about people who eat fruit, nuts, vegetables, whole-wheat bread (open-faced sandwiches to minimize caloric intake), etc. That’s exactly the point.[/quote]

HOLD ON HERE!

how many obese people out there got to the state of obesity eating only fruit, nuts, vegetables, whole wheat bread???

We have two issues here. How people become obese and what happens after.

People get to the state of obesity by eating more than their metabolism allows. And it is very hard to get to the state of obesity eating the food you just outlined. And the main reason is you do not get into the addiction cycle with the food you listed. The addiction cycle (refined starch and fat are well known to upregulate hormones that stimulate appetite and increase craving) is what lead to the obesity because raw biochemical desire takes on the driver’s seat and you lose control.

Now once someone become obese. Then a whole different process take over. Metabolism slows down even more, insulin (which is a growth hormone) need to increase because of insulin resistance. And most of all, the body has an intrinsic defense AGAINST weight loss. So people will try to lose weight, they lose 5-10 lbs, then the body senses what is going on and activates Operation-Hold-On-To-Fat. So it is quite realistic to see someone eating the food you mentioned but stay obese.

[ocrenter]

[quote=CA renter]
We’re talking about people who eat fruit, nuts, vegetables, whole-wheat bread (open-faced sandwiches to minimize caloric intake), etc. That’s exactly the point.[/quote]

HOLD ON HERE!

how many obese people out there got to the state of obesity eating only fruit, nuts, vegetables, whole wheat bread???

We have two issues here. How people become obese and what happens after.

People get to the state of obesity by eating more than their metabolism allows. And it is very hard to get to the state of obesity eating the food you just outlined. And the main reason is you do not get into the addiction cycle with the food you listed. The addiction cycle (refined starch and fat are well known to upregulate hormones that stimulate appetite and increase craving) is what lead to the obesity because raw biochemical desire takes on the driver’s seat and you lose control.

Now once someone become obese. Then a whole different process take over. Metabolism slows down even more, insulin (which is a growth hormone) need to increase because of insulin resistance. And most of all, the body has an intrinsic defense AGAINST weight loss. So people will try to lose weight, they lose 5-10 lbs, then the body senses what is going on and activates Operation-Hold-On-To-Fat. So it is quite realistic to see someone eating the food you mentioned but stay obese.

[ocrenter]

[quote=CA renter]
We’re talking about people who eat fruit, nuts, vegetables, whole-wheat bread (open-faced sandwiches to minimize caloric intake), etc. That’s exactly the point.[/quote]

HOLD ON HERE!

how many obese people out there got to the state of obesity eating only fruit, nuts, vegetables, whole wheat bread???

We have two issues here. How people become obese and what happens after.

People get to the state of obesity by eating more than their metabolism allows. And it is very hard to get to the state of obesity eating the food you just outlined. And the main reason is you do not get into the addiction cycle with the food you listed. The addiction cycle (refined starch and fat are well known to upregulate hormones that stimulate appetite and increase craving) is what lead to the obesity because raw biochemical desire takes on the driver’s seat and you lose control.

Now once someone become obese. Then a whole different process take over. Metabolism slows down even more, insulin (which is a growth hormone) need to increase because of insulin resistance. And most of all, the body has an intrinsic defense AGAINST weight loss. So people will try to lose weight, they lose 5-10 lbs, then the body senses what is going on and activates Operation-Hold-On-To-Fat. So it is quite realistic to see someone eating the food you mentioned but stay obese.

[ocrenter]

CAR, from the property tax site shows MR of around $3000/year, which translates to $250 per month.

finding a home without MR within 92009 is difficult, likely a lot older as well. you’ll probably be looking at at least $100k more in purchasing cost. that’s $85/month higher in property tax just because of the higher purchase cost. then you have the higher mortgage from the higher purchase cost as well. all to avoid MR and rumored remote possibility that the MR may be extended when the 30 year bond is complete.

all MR are not created equal. I don’t think in this case the MR should be the deal breaker.

[ocrenter]

CAR, from the property tax site shows MR of around $3000/year, which translates to $250 per month.

finding a home without MR within 92009 is difficult, likely a lot older as well. you’ll probably be looking at at least $100k more in purchasing cost. that’s $85/month higher in property tax just because of the higher purchase cost. then you have the higher mortgage from the higher purchase cost as well. all to avoid MR and rumored remote possibility that the MR may be extended when the 30 year bond is complete.

all MR are not created equal. I don’t think in this case the MR should be the deal breaker.

[ocrenter]

CAR, from the property tax site shows MR of around $3000/year, which translates to $250 per month.

finding a home without MR within 92009 is difficult, likely a lot older as well. you’ll probably be looking at at least $100k more in purchasing cost. that’s $85/month higher in property tax just because of the higher purchase cost. then you have the higher mortgage from the higher purchase cost as well. all to avoid MR and rumored remote possibility that the MR may be extended when the 30 year bond is complete.

all MR are not created equal. I don’t think in this case the MR should be the deal breaker.

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