[Jim Jones]

[quote=CA renter]

Same here. We’re home most of the day, and we never open or answer the door if we’re not expecting someone. It’s frightening to hear about these crimes. Wish there was a way to stop this sort of thing.
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There is a way to change it. Stop supporting the criminalization of “self defense” when a crime is committed on a private individuals property. Secondly stop criminalizing “self defense” in public. If you are on a jury refuse to convict someone who engages in lawful self defense. Criminals will think twice when citizens are prepared to defend themselves and their property.

A bigger issue is the cultural one which starts a young age when we suspend children who fight in school. Often the bullied individual is treated as a “rule breaker” for defending themselves. This behavior is carried to adulthood, hence our current dilemma, and our current situation where citizens have developed a detrimental reliance on the Police for their security, which have no legal precedent to protect “individual” members of society as affirmed by the Supreme Court. That convenient fact is never discussed.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=CBad]

[quote=Jim Jones]
During last summer this was a tactic used by a group of high school students when school was out. They would pretend to be delivering something or visiting, check the door find it unlocked an enter. Another method was ringing the door bell, waiting for no answer then going around back and making a forced entry. This is a good strategy in neighborhoods which are generally low crime as many residents don’t even bother to lock their doors or close their windows.
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Do you have any links on these crimes? I have guns and know how to use them but I just worry about getting to them in time.[/quote]

Obviously the CV police and HOA wanted to avoid discussing specifics but there were indications that the work was specific in nature and force was used in one occasion as described by the victims who attended the meeting. The detective claimed that he was filling in for someone who was sick and couldn’t discuss specifics. Did not seem genuine to me. Here is a couple of links to what was occurring with both home and auto thefts.

http://www.eastlaketimes.com/821/eastlake-hoa-ii-hosts-neighborhood-awareness-with-chula-vista-pd/

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Rash-of-Burglaries-in-Chula-Vista/OwiQR3uW_UWnwwijZOMu1Q.cspx

http://www.10news.com/news/23108714/detail.html

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050823/news_1n23stolen.html

The auto theft ring was recently broken up by police. The FBI have recognized the statistically abnormal number of auto thefts in CV for years.

As for firearm storage I have heard that is a pretty good product. I saw them much cheaper on Ebay than retail.

http://www.gunvault.com/

[Jim Jones]

[quote=CBad]

[quote=Jim Jones]
During last summer this was a tactic used by a group of high school students when school was out. They would pretend to be delivering something or visiting, check the door find it unlocked an enter. Another method was ringing the door bell, waiting for no answer then going around back and making a forced entry. This is a good strategy in neighborhoods which are generally low crime as many residents don’t even bother to lock their doors or close their windows.
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Do you have any links on these crimes? I have guns and know how to use them but I just worry about getting to them in time.[/quote]

Obviously the CV police and HOA wanted to avoid discussing specifics but there were indications that the work was specific in nature and force was used in one occasion as described by the victims who attended the meeting. The detective claimed that he was filling in for someone who was sick and couldn’t discuss specifics. Did not seem genuine to me. Here is a couple of links to what was occurring with both home and auto thefts.

http://www.eastlaketimes.com/821/eastlake-hoa-ii-hosts-neighborhood-awareness-with-chula-vista-pd/

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Rash-of-Burglaries-in-Chula-Vista/OwiQR3uW_UWnwwijZOMu1Q.cspx

http://www.10news.com/news/23108714/detail.html

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050823/news_1n23stolen.html

The auto theft ring was recently broken up by police. The FBI have recognized the statistically abnormal number of auto thefts in CV for years.

As for firearm storage I have heard that is a pretty good product. I saw them much cheaper on Ebay than retail.

http://www.gunvault.com/

[Jim Jones]

[quote=CBad]

[quote=Jim Jones]
During last summer this was a tactic used by a group of high school students when school was out. They would pretend to be delivering something or visiting, check the door find it unlocked an enter. Another method was ringing the door bell, waiting for no answer then going around back and making a forced entry. This is a good strategy in neighborhoods which are generally low crime as many residents don’t even bother to lock their doors or close their windows.
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Do you have any links on these crimes? I have guns and know how to use them but I just worry about getting to them in time.[/quote]

Obviously the CV police and HOA wanted to avoid discussing specifics but there were indications that the work was specific in nature and force was used in one occasion as described by the victims who attended the meeting. The detective claimed that he was filling in for someone who was sick and couldn’t discuss specifics. Did not seem genuine to me. Here is a couple of links to what was occurring with both home and auto thefts.

http://www.eastlaketimes.com/821/eastlake-hoa-ii-hosts-neighborhood-awareness-with-chula-vista-pd/

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Rash-of-Burglaries-in-Chula-Vista/OwiQR3uW_UWnwwijZOMu1Q.cspx

http://www.10news.com/news/23108714/detail.html

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050823/news_1n23stolen.html

The auto theft ring was recently broken up by police. The FBI have recognized the statistically abnormal number of auto thefts in CV for years.

As for firearm storage I have heard that is a pretty good product. I saw them much cheaper on Ebay than retail.

http://www.gunvault.com/

[Jim Jones]

[quote=CBad]

[quote=Jim Jones]
During last summer this was a tactic used by a group of high school students when school was out. They would pretend to be delivering something or visiting, check the door find it unlocked an enter. Another method was ringing the door bell, waiting for no answer then going around back and making a forced entry. This is a good strategy in neighborhoods which are generally low crime as many residents don’t even bother to lock their doors or close their windows.
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Do you have any links on these crimes? I have guns and know how to use them but I just worry about getting to them in time.[/quote]

Obviously the CV police and HOA wanted to avoid discussing specifics but there were indications that the work was specific in nature and force was used in one occasion as described by the victims who attended the meeting. The detective claimed that he was filling in for someone who was sick and couldn’t discuss specifics. Did not seem genuine to me. Here is a couple of links to what was occurring with both home and auto thefts.

http://www.eastlaketimes.com/821/eastlake-hoa-ii-hosts-neighborhood-awareness-with-chula-vista-pd/

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Rash-of-Burglaries-in-Chula-Vista/OwiQR3uW_UWnwwijZOMu1Q.cspx

http://www.10news.com/news/23108714/detail.html

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050823/news_1n23stolen.html

The auto theft ring was recently broken up by police. The FBI have recognized the statistically abnormal number of auto thefts in CV for years.

As for firearm storage I have heard that is a pretty good product. I saw them much cheaper on Ebay than retail.

http://www.gunvault.com/

[Jim Jones]

[quote=CBad]

[quote=Jim Jones]
During last summer this was a tactic used by a group of high school students when school was out. They would pretend to be delivering something or visiting, check the door find it unlocked an enter. Another method was ringing the door bell, waiting for no answer then going around back and making a forced entry. This is a good strategy in neighborhoods which are generally low crime as many residents don’t even bother to lock their doors or close their windows.
[/quote]

Do you have any links on these crimes? I have guns and know how to use them but I just worry about getting to them in time.[/quote]

Obviously the CV police and HOA wanted to avoid discussing specifics but there were indications that the work was specific in nature and force was used in one occasion as described by the victims who attended the meeting. The detective claimed that he was filling in for someone who was sick and couldn’t discuss specifics. Did not seem genuine to me. Here is a couple of links to what was occurring with both home and auto thefts.

http://www.eastlaketimes.com/821/eastlake-hoa-ii-hosts-neighborhood-awareness-with-chula-vista-pd/

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Rash-of-Burglaries-in-Chula-Vista/OwiQR3uW_UWnwwijZOMu1Q.cspx

http://www.10news.com/news/23108714/detail.html

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050823/news_1n23stolen.html

The auto theft ring was recently broken up by police. The FBI have recognized the statistically abnormal number of auto thefts in CV for years.

As for firearm storage I have heard that is a pretty good product. I saw them much cheaper on Ebay than retail.

http://www.gunvault.com/

[Jim Jones]

[quote=Hobie]

Extra side note: There seems to be an endless supply of folks knocking on your door during the day selling all sorts of stuff. One time I was sitting near the front door and heard the door handle move. Someone leaving fliers actually check to see if the door was locked. I leaped up and confronted him and he said he was trying to tuck the flier in the handle. Cops notified, no further details. But now we have a dog that barks when someone is near the front door– very handy. (I know you have cats…just saying)[/quote]

During last summer this was a tactic used by a group of high school students when school was out. They would pretend to be delivering something or visiting, check the door find it unlocked an enter. Another method was ringing the door bell, waiting for no answer then going around back and making a forced entry. This is a good strategy in neighborhoods which are generally low crime as many residents don’t even bother to lock their doors or close their windows.

To stay on topic:

I have considering installing a wireless unmonitored system such as the one linked below. I am curious if anyone else has some experience with this product or something similar.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=Hobie]

Extra side note: There seems to be an endless supply of folks knocking on your door during the day selling all sorts of stuff. One time I was sitting near the front door and heard the door handle move. Someone leaving fliers actually check to see if the door was locked. I leaped up and confronted him and he said he was trying to tuck the flier in the handle. Cops notified, no further details. But now we have a dog that barks when someone is near the front door– very handy. (I know you have cats…just saying)[/quote]

During last summer this was a tactic used by a group of high school students when school was out. They would pretend to be delivering something or visiting, check the door find it unlocked an enter. Another method was ringing the door bell, waiting for no answer then going around back and making a forced entry. This is a good strategy in neighborhoods which are generally low crime as many residents don’t even bother to lock their doors or close their windows.

To stay on topic:

I have considering installing a wireless unmonitored system such as the one linked below. I am curious if anyone else has some experience with this product or something similar.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=Hobie]

Extra side note: There seems to be an endless supply of folks knocking on your door during the day selling all sorts of stuff. One time I was sitting near the front door and heard the door handle move. Someone leaving fliers actually check to see if the door was locked. I leaped up and confronted him and he said he was trying to tuck the flier in the handle. Cops notified, no further details. But now we have a dog that barks when someone is near the front door– very handy. (I know you have cats…just saying)[/quote]

During last summer this was a tactic used by a group of high school students when school was out. They would pretend to be delivering something or visiting, check the door find it unlocked an enter. Another method was ringing the door bell, waiting for no answer then going around back and making a forced entry. This is a good strategy in neighborhoods which are generally low crime as many residents don’t even bother to lock their doors or close their windows.

To stay on topic:

I have considering installing a wireless unmonitored system such as the one linked below. I am curious if anyone else has some experience with this product or something similar.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=Hobie]

Extra side note: There seems to be an endless supply of folks knocking on your door during the day selling all sorts of stuff. One time I was sitting near the front door and heard the door handle move. Someone leaving fliers actually check to see if the door was locked. I leaped up and confronted him and he said he was trying to tuck the flier in the handle. Cops notified, no further details. But now we have a dog that barks when someone is near the front door– very handy. (I know you have cats…just saying)[/quote]

During last summer this was a tactic used by a group of high school students when school was out. They would pretend to be delivering something or visiting, check the door find it unlocked an enter. Another method was ringing the door bell, waiting for no answer then going around back and making a forced entry. This is a good strategy in neighborhoods which are generally low crime as many residents don’t even bother to lock their doors or close their windows.

To stay on topic:

I have considering installing a wireless unmonitored system such as the one linked below. I am curious if anyone else has some experience with this product or something similar.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=Hobie]

Extra side note: There seems to be an endless supply of folks knocking on your door during the day selling all sorts of stuff. One time I was sitting near the front door and heard the door handle move. Someone leaving fliers actually check to see if the door was locked. I leaped up and confronted him and he said he was trying to tuck the flier in the handle. Cops notified, no further details. But now we have a dog that barks when someone is near the front door– very handy. (I know you have cats…just saying)[/quote]

During last summer this was a tactic used by a group of high school students when school was out. They would pretend to be delivering something or visiting, check the door find it unlocked an enter. Another method was ringing the door bell, waiting for no answer then going around back and making a forced entry. This is a good strategy in neighborhoods which are generally low crime as many residents don’t even bother to lock their doors or close their windows.

To stay on topic:

I have considering installing a wireless unmonitored system such as the one linked below. I am curious if anyone else has some experience with this product or something similar.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=NewtoSanDiego]This is truly a case of truth stranger than fiction.

I was absolutely floored by that dealership. I have never seen anything close it it.

They are trying to make it into a destination! Take the family for an entire afternoon.

I overheard one of the saleman talking about plans for waterpark and giant play/learning area with supervised child care that will allow propective buyers to really spend time to close the deal. One commented that the childcare staff will have masters degrees in early childhood education to further reassure parents.

How many times does a crying baby force a buyer to leave early before the sales pitch is done and deal is closed?

Perhaps it is good business decision.

NSD[/quote]

During my last car purchase I intentionally took my youngest knowing that she would have a meltdown after about an hour of in and out of the car, plus moving the car seat. Nice way to get out of there after a test drive and no interest in the vehicle.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=NewtoSanDiego]This is truly a case of truth stranger than fiction.

I was absolutely floored by that dealership. I have never seen anything close it it.

They are trying to make it into a destination! Take the family for an entire afternoon.

I overheard one of the saleman talking about plans for waterpark and giant play/learning area with supervised child care that will allow propective buyers to really spend time to close the deal. One commented that the childcare staff will have masters degrees in early childhood education to further reassure parents.

How many times does a crying baby force a buyer to leave early before the sales pitch is done and deal is closed?

Perhaps it is good business decision.

NSD[/quote]

During my last car purchase I intentionally took my youngest knowing that she would have a meltdown after about an hour of in and out of the car, plus moving the car seat. Nice way to get out of there after a test drive and no interest in the vehicle.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=NewtoSanDiego]This is truly a case of truth stranger than fiction.

I was absolutely floored by that dealership. I have never seen anything close it it.

They are trying to make it into a destination! Take the family for an entire afternoon.

I overheard one of the saleman talking about plans for waterpark and giant play/learning area with supervised child care that will allow propective buyers to really spend time to close the deal. One commented that the childcare staff will have masters degrees in early childhood education to further reassure parents.

How many times does a crying baby force a buyer to leave early before the sales pitch is done and deal is closed?

Perhaps it is good business decision.

NSD[/quote]

During my last car purchase I intentionally took my youngest knowing that she would have a meltdown after about an hour of in and out of the car, plus moving the car seat. Nice way to get out of there after a test drive and no interest in the vehicle.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=NewtoSanDiego]This is truly a case of truth stranger than fiction.

I was absolutely floored by that dealership. I have never seen anything close it it.

They are trying to make it into a destination! Take the family for an entire afternoon.

I overheard one of the saleman talking about plans for waterpark and giant play/learning area with supervised child care that will allow propective buyers to really spend time to close the deal. One commented that the childcare staff will have masters degrees in early childhood education to further reassure parents.

How many times does a crying baby force a buyer to leave early before the sales pitch is done and deal is closed?

Perhaps it is good business decision.

NSD[/quote]

During my last car purchase I intentionally took my youngest knowing that she would have a meltdown after about an hour of in and out of the car, plus moving the car seat. Nice way to get out of there after a test drive and no interest in the vehicle.

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