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ParticipantI disagree with you a bit. To me, it is a moral society that takes care of those who can not take care of themselves. And in the alternative, those capable of taking care of themselves should. That is both personal and community responsibility. I think both parties have at least said they are for more personal responsibility.
I also think the least moral isn’t the person who doesn’t want to pay for another’s health care but those who are capable of working for or paying their own health bills but who demand someone else to pay for it instead.
Why don’t we expect capable folks to pay for their own health care and not tax others to pay for it?
Perhaps, those capable folks who say they struggle to find the $ to pay for their own health care could go without their cell phones, cable, flat screen TVs and other things, like generations prior to the entitlement generations did.
ParticipantI disagree with you a bit. To me, it is a moral society that takes care of those who can not take care of themselves. And in the alternative, those capable of taking care of themselves should. That is both personal and community responsibility. I think both parties have at least said they are for more personal responsibility.
I also think the least moral isn’t the person who doesn’t want to pay for another’s health care but those who are capable of working for or paying their own health bills but who demand someone else to pay for it instead.
Why don’t we expect capable folks to pay for their own health care and not tax others to pay for it?
Perhaps, those capable folks who say they struggle to find the $ to pay for their own health care could go without their cell phones, cable, flat screen TVs and other things, like generations prior to the entitlement generations did.
ParticipantI disagree with you a bit. To me, it is a moral society that takes care of those who can not take care of themselves. And in the alternative, those capable of taking care of themselves should. That is both personal and community responsibility. I think both parties have at least said they are for more personal responsibility.
I also think the least moral isn’t the person who doesn’t want to pay for another’s health care but those who are capable of working for or paying their own health bills but who demand someone else to pay for it instead.
Why don’t we expect capable folks to pay for their own health care and not tax others to pay for it?
Perhaps, those capable folks who say they struggle to find the $ to pay for their own health care could go without their cell phones, cable, flat screen TVs and other things, like generations prior to the entitlement generations did.
ParticipantI disagree with you a bit. To me, it is a moral society that takes care of those who can not take care of themselves. And in the alternative, those capable of taking care of themselves should. That is both personal and community responsibility. I think both parties have at least said they are for more personal responsibility.
I also think the least moral isn’t the person who doesn’t want to pay for another’s health care but those who are capable of working for or paying their own health bills but who demand someone else to pay for it instead.
Why don’t we expect capable folks to pay for their own health care and not tax others to pay for it?
Perhaps, those capable folks who say they struggle to find the $ to pay for their own health care could go without their cell phones, cable, flat screen TVs and other things, like generations prior to the entitlement generations did.
ParticipantFrom what I have seen, you are correct in your assessment of those folks at these events. Many of those interviewed even say they voted for Obama. They are upset because they didn’t expect what he is trying to do.
Even my wife, an independent, who voted for Obama, thought she was voting for something totally different than what we are getting. My in-laws, a surgeon and nurse both voted for Obama but are also very dismayed over what has been happening and up in arms about the drastic changes proposed to health care.
Various parts of the media are either complicit in helping Obama reshape America as a socialist nation or still in denial over what is happening.
I am very disturbed over what is occurring politically particularly the aspect that our 4th estate, the media , is no longer primarily for news reporting but in their selection of what to cover and how to cover the “new’ are more like propaganda every day.
Most recently, the coverage of Van Jones and Acorn have demonstrated that some parts of the media don’t want the most transparent administration ever. They are more comfortable with folks not knowing what is going on.
ParticipantFrom what I have seen, you are correct in your assessment of those folks at these events. Many of those interviewed even say they voted for Obama. They are upset because they didn’t expect what he is trying to do.
Even my wife, an independent, who voted for Obama, thought she was voting for something totally different than what we are getting. My in-laws, a surgeon and nurse both voted for Obama but are also very dismayed over what has been happening and up in arms about the drastic changes proposed to health care.
Various parts of the media are either complicit in helping Obama reshape America as a socialist nation or still in denial over what is happening.
I am very disturbed over what is occurring politically particularly the aspect that our 4th estate, the media , is no longer primarily for news reporting but in their selection of what to cover and how to cover the “new’ are more like propaganda every day.
Most recently, the coverage of Van Jones and Acorn have demonstrated that some parts of the media don’t want the most transparent administration ever. They are more comfortable with folks not knowing what is going on.
ParticipantFrom what I have seen, you are correct in your assessment of those folks at these events. Many of those interviewed even say they voted for Obama. They are upset because they didn’t expect what he is trying to do.
Even my wife, an independent, who voted for Obama, thought she was voting for something totally different than what we are getting. My in-laws, a surgeon and nurse both voted for Obama but are also very dismayed over what has been happening and up in arms about the drastic changes proposed to health care.
Various parts of the media are either complicit in helping Obama reshape America as a socialist nation or still in denial over what is happening.
I am very disturbed over what is occurring politically particularly the aspect that our 4th estate, the media , is no longer primarily for news reporting but in their selection of what to cover and how to cover the “new’ are more like propaganda every day.
Most recently, the coverage of Van Jones and Acorn have demonstrated that some parts of the media don’t want the most transparent administration ever. They are more comfortable with folks not knowing what is going on.
ParticipantFrom what I have seen, you are correct in your assessment of those folks at these events. Many of those interviewed even say they voted for Obama. They are upset because they didn’t expect what he is trying to do.
Even my wife, an independent, who voted for Obama, thought she was voting for something totally different than what we are getting. My in-laws, a surgeon and nurse both voted for Obama but are also very dismayed over what has been happening and up in arms about the drastic changes proposed to health care.
Various parts of the media are either complicit in helping Obama reshape America as a socialist nation or still in denial over what is happening.
I am very disturbed over what is occurring politically particularly the aspect that our 4th estate, the media , is no longer primarily for news reporting but in their selection of what to cover and how to cover the “new’ are more like propaganda every day.
Most recently, the coverage of Van Jones and Acorn have demonstrated that some parts of the media don’t want the most transparent administration ever. They are more comfortable with folks not knowing what is going on.
ParticipantFrom what I have seen, you are correct in your assessment of those folks at these events. Many of those interviewed even say they voted for Obama. They are upset because they didn’t expect what he is trying to do.
Even my wife, an independent, who voted for Obama, thought she was voting for something totally different than what we are getting. My in-laws, a surgeon and nurse both voted for Obama but are also very dismayed over what has been happening and up in arms about the drastic changes proposed to health care.
Various parts of the media are either complicit in helping Obama reshape America as a socialist nation or still in denial over what is happening.
I am very disturbed over what is occurring politically particularly the aspect that our 4th estate, the media , is no longer primarily for news reporting but in their selection of what to cover and how to cover the “new’ are more like propaganda every day.
Most recently, the coverage of Van Jones and Acorn have demonstrated that some parts of the media don’t want the most transparent administration ever. They are more comfortable with folks not knowing what is going on.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Felix: I came across this little gem from Joe Klein over at Time: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/09/16/yes-its-racism-but-its-complicated/
In essence, Klein argues that, by and large, the protesters are indeed racist, but not solely based on Obama’s color. Rather, they (and the “they” in this case are high school educated Middle Americans of a certain race and type) are worried about “furriners” (Klein’s word, not mine) and thus are out protesting. The “furriners” that we’re all afraid of, apparently, run the gamut from Hispanics, Asians, homosexuals and, of course, educated, “uppity” (again, Klein’s word) blacks.
So, in one fell swoop, Klein addresses: Obama as representative of “the other”, the ignorance and lack of upper education of the protesters (implying that we’d all be so better able to understand Obama’ brilliance if we were all possessed of a secondary education), and the inherent racism/bigotry of ANY and ALL opposition to the President and his policies.
You see that same infantile arrogance in posters like Brian, when he talks about the “missing teeth” of the protesters and opines vacuously about American “weakness” as a function of the Bush presidency. One only has to look to today’s news of Obama’s abandonment of the missile defense shield and Putin’s evident glee to see American weakness.
Nope, what we’re treated to these days from the American Left, the MSM and the indoctrinated like Brian and Pat, is the product of a co-opted educational system, the death and dearth of critical thinking and analysis and the purblindness that comes from a misplaced sense of one’s superiority over those that dissent or disagree. It’s funny, but the very people that are accusing others of acting like Nazis are in fact behaving more like them.
“Never teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and it annoys the pig”.[/quote]
Wow. That is a terrific post.
I could agree with you more.
Too many on the left seem to believe that anybody that doesn’t agree with them is not smart enough to know what is best for this country or even for oneself.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Felix: I came across this little gem from Joe Klein over at Time: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/09/16/yes-its-racism-but-its-complicated/
In essence, Klein argues that, by and large, the protesters are indeed racist, but not solely based on Obama’s color. Rather, they (and the “they” in this case are high school educated Middle Americans of a certain race and type) are worried about “furriners” (Klein’s word, not mine) and thus are out protesting. The “furriners” that we’re all afraid of, apparently, run the gamut from Hispanics, Asians, homosexuals and, of course, educated, “uppity” (again, Klein’s word) blacks.
So, in one fell swoop, Klein addresses: Obama as representative of “the other”, the ignorance and lack of upper education of the protesters (implying that we’d all be so better able to understand Obama’ brilliance if we were all possessed of a secondary education), and the inherent racism/bigotry of ANY and ALL opposition to the President and his policies.
You see that same infantile arrogance in posters like Brian, when he talks about the “missing teeth” of the protesters and opines vacuously about American “weakness” as a function of the Bush presidency. One only has to look to today’s news of Obama’s abandonment of the missile defense shield and Putin’s evident glee to see American weakness.
Nope, what we’re treated to these days from the American Left, the MSM and the indoctrinated like Brian and Pat, is the product of a co-opted educational system, the death and dearth of critical thinking and analysis and the purblindness that comes from a misplaced sense of one’s superiority over those that dissent or disagree. It’s funny, but the very people that are accusing others of acting like Nazis are in fact behaving more like them.
“Never teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and it annoys the pig”.[/quote]
Wow. That is a terrific post.
I could agree with you more.
Too many on the left seem to believe that anybody that doesn’t agree with them is not smart enough to know what is best for this country or even for oneself.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Felix: I came across this little gem from Joe Klein over at Time: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/09/16/yes-its-racism-but-its-complicated/
In essence, Klein argues that, by and large, the protesters are indeed racist, but not solely based on Obama’s color. Rather, they (and the “they” in this case are high school educated Middle Americans of a certain race and type) are worried about “furriners” (Klein’s word, not mine) and thus are out protesting. The “furriners” that we’re all afraid of, apparently, run the gamut from Hispanics, Asians, homosexuals and, of course, educated, “uppity” (again, Klein’s word) blacks.
So, in one fell swoop, Klein addresses: Obama as representative of “the other”, the ignorance and lack of upper education of the protesters (implying that we’d all be so better able to understand Obama’ brilliance if we were all possessed of a secondary education), and the inherent racism/bigotry of ANY and ALL opposition to the President and his policies.
You see that same infantile arrogance in posters like Brian, when he talks about the “missing teeth” of the protesters and opines vacuously about American “weakness” as a function of the Bush presidency. One only has to look to today’s news of Obama’s abandonment of the missile defense shield and Putin’s evident glee to see American weakness.
Nope, what we’re treated to these days from the American Left, the MSM and the indoctrinated like Brian and Pat, is the product of a co-opted educational system, the death and dearth of critical thinking and analysis and the purblindness that comes from a misplaced sense of one’s superiority over those that dissent or disagree. It’s funny, but the very people that are accusing others of acting like Nazis are in fact behaving more like them.
“Never teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and it annoys the pig”.[/quote]
Wow. That is a terrific post.
I could agree with you more.
Too many on the left seem to believe that anybody that doesn’t agree with them is not smart enough to know what is best for this country or even for oneself.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Felix: I came across this little gem from Joe Klein over at Time: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/09/16/yes-its-racism-but-its-complicated/
In essence, Klein argues that, by and large, the protesters are indeed racist, but not solely based on Obama’s color. Rather, they (and the “they” in this case are high school educated Middle Americans of a certain race and type) are worried about “furriners” (Klein’s word, not mine) and thus are out protesting. The “furriners” that we’re all afraid of, apparently, run the gamut from Hispanics, Asians, homosexuals and, of course, educated, “uppity” (again, Klein’s word) blacks.
So, in one fell swoop, Klein addresses: Obama as representative of “the other”, the ignorance and lack of upper education of the protesters (implying that we’d all be so better able to understand Obama’ brilliance if we were all possessed of a secondary education), and the inherent racism/bigotry of ANY and ALL opposition to the President and his policies.
You see that same infantile arrogance in posters like Brian, when he talks about the “missing teeth” of the protesters and opines vacuously about American “weakness” as a function of the Bush presidency. One only has to look to today’s news of Obama’s abandonment of the missile defense shield and Putin’s evident glee to see American weakness.
Nope, what we’re treated to these days from the American Left, the MSM and the indoctrinated like Brian and Pat, is the product of a co-opted educational system, the death and dearth of critical thinking and analysis and the purblindness that comes from a misplaced sense of one’s superiority over those that dissent or disagree. It’s funny, but the very people that are accusing others of acting like Nazis are in fact behaving more like them.
“Never teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and it annoys the pig”.[/quote]
Wow. That is a terrific post.
I could agree with you more.
Too many on the left seem to believe that anybody that doesn’t agree with them is not smart enough to know what is best for this country or even for oneself.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Felix: I came across this little gem from Joe Klein over at Time: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/09/16/yes-its-racism-but-its-complicated/
In essence, Klein argues that, by and large, the protesters are indeed racist, but not solely based on Obama’s color. Rather, they (and the “they” in this case are high school educated Middle Americans of a certain race and type) are worried about “furriners” (Klein’s word, not mine) and thus are out protesting. The “furriners” that we’re all afraid of, apparently, run the gamut from Hispanics, Asians, homosexuals and, of course, educated, “uppity” (again, Klein’s word) blacks.
So, in one fell swoop, Klein addresses: Obama as representative of “the other”, the ignorance and lack of upper education of the protesters (implying that we’d all be so better able to understand Obama’ brilliance if we were all possessed of a secondary education), and the inherent racism/bigotry of ANY and ALL opposition to the President and his policies.
You see that same infantile arrogance in posters like Brian, when he talks about the “missing teeth” of the protesters and opines vacuously about American “weakness” as a function of the Bush presidency. One only has to look to today’s news of Obama’s abandonment of the missile defense shield and Putin’s evident glee to see American weakness.
Nope, what we’re treated to these days from the American Left, the MSM and the indoctrinated like Brian and Pat, is the product of a co-opted educational system, the death and dearth of critical thinking and analysis and the purblindness that comes from a misplaced sense of one’s superiority over those that dissent or disagree. It’s funny, but the very people that are accusing others of acting like Nazis are in fact behaving more like them.
“Never teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and it annoys the pig”.[/quote]
Wow. That is a terrific post.
I could agree with you more.
Too many on the left seem to believe that anybody that doesn’t agree with them is not smart enough to know what is best for this country or even for oneself.
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