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February 27, 2008 at 4:09 PM #161552February 27, 2008 at 4:40 PM #161213AnonymousGuest
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I'll give you another example of how that does not hold true.
Someone I used to work with joined up. I saw him a few years later, he had been home from Iraq just about 6 months. He was depressed, suicidal, told me awful stories about things he witnessed there and things he did there. One of which included torturing a 14 year old boy by exploding bullets between his fingers. When he refused, at first, to do it, his sergeant held a gun to his head.
When I asked him why he joined up, he said……."I wanted to be able to kill people legally, among other things."
I do not believe that everyone or even the majority of everyone who goes into the military feel this way. But this man did.
Of course he said that now he has no wish to kill anyone but himself.
>>Enorah, it could be the guy was lying or maybe he is a nut or someone suffering from PTSD. I doubt any of us could experience what some have in the military without it detrimentally affecting us in some way. Your average civilian would have some negative affect from a traumatic experience, wouldn't they?
February 27, 2008 at 4:40 PM #161508AnonymousGuest<<
I'll give you another example of how that does not hold true.
Someone I used to work with joined up. I saw him a few years later, he had been home from Iraq just about 6 months. He was depressed, suicidal, told me awful stories about things he witnessed there and things he did there. One of which included torturing a 14 year old boy by exploding bullets between his fingers. When he refused, at first, to do it, his sergeant held a gun to his head.
When I asked him why he joined up, he said……."I wanted to be able to kill people legally, among other things."
I do not believe that everyone or even the majority of everyone who goes into the military feel this way. But this man did.
Of course he said that now he has no wish to kill anyone but himself.
>>Enorah, it could be the guy was lying or maybe he is a nut or someone suffering from PTSD. I doubt any of us could experience what some have in the military without it detrimentally affecting us in some way. Your average civilian would have some negative affect from a traumatic experience, wouldn't they?
February 27, 2008 at 4:40 PM #161521AnonymousGuest<<
I'll give you another example of how that does not hold true.
Someone I used to work with joined up. I saw him a few years later, he had been home from Iraq just about 6 months. He was depressed, suicidal, told me awful stories about things he witnessed there and things he did there. One of which included torturing a 14 year old boy by exploding bullets between his fingers. When he refused, at first, to do it, his sergeant held a gun to his head.
When I asked him why he joined up, he said……."I wanted to be able to kill people legally, among other things."
I do not believe that everyone or even the majority of everyone who goes into the military feel this way. But this man did.
Of course he said that now he has no wish to kill anyone but himself.
>>Enorah, it could be the guy was lying or maybe he is a nut or someone suffering from PTSD. I doubt any of us could experience what some have in the military without it detrimentally affecting us in some way. Your average civilian would have some negative affect from a traumatic experience, wouldn't they?
February 27, 2008 at 4:40 PM #161540AnonymousGuest<<
I'll give you another example of how that does not hold true.
Someone I used to work with joined up. I saw him a few years later, he had been home from Iraq just about 6 months. He was depressed, suicidal, told me awful stories about things he witnessed there and things he did there. One of which included torturing a 14 year old boy by exploding bullets between his fingers. When he refused, at first, to do it, his sergeant held a gun to his head.
When I asked him why he joined up, he said……."I wanted to be able to kill people legally, among other things."
I do not believe that everyone or even the majority of everyone who goes into the military feel this way. But this man did.
Of course he said that now he has no wish to kill anyone but himself.
>>Enorah, it could be the guy was lying or maybe he is a nut or someone suffering from PTSD. I doubt any of us could experience what some have in the military without it detrimentally affecting us in some way. Your average civilian would have some negative affect from a traumatic experience, wouldn't they?
February 27, 2008 at 4:40 PM #161607AnonymousGuest<<
I'll give you another example of how that does not hold true.
Someone I used to work with joined up. I saw him a few years later, he had been home from Iraq just about 6 months. He was depressed, suicidal, told me awful stories about things he witnessed there and things he did there. One of which included torturing a 14 year old boy by exploding bullets between his fingers. When he refused, at first, to do it, his sergeant held a gun to his head.
When I asked him why he joined up, he said……."I wanted to be able to kill people legally, among other things."
I do not believe that everyone or even the majority of everyone who goes into the military feel this way. But this man did.
Of course he said that now he has no wish to kill anyone but himself.
>>Enorah, it could be the guy was lying or maybe he is a nut or someone suffering from PTSD. I doubt any of us could experience what some have in the military without it detrimentally affecting us in some way. Your average civilian would have some negative affect from a traumatic experience, wouldn't they?
February 27, 2008 at 4:47 PM #161218EnorahParticipantyes
of course
February 27, 2008 at 4:47 PM #161510EnorahParticipantyes
of course
February 27, 2008 at 4:47 PM #161526EnorahParticipantyes
of course
February 27, 2008 at 4:47 PM #161545EnorahParticipantyes
of course
February 27, 2008 at 4:47 PM #161613EnorahParticipantyes
of course
February 28, 2008 at 9:54 AM #161750CascaParticipantYou said, words to the effect, that Marine programming gone bad was the root of his actions. After thirty years of an all volunteer military, we’ve come to this. The vast majority of those who have not served have an understanding of “the military” almost entirely comprised of what they’ve seen on TV, or cooked up in their fevered imaginations.
Marines are a very distinct culture within the miltary. Within the Marine Corps, those who actually fire a shot in anger are a subset with an even more distinct culture. The chances of your suicidal rapist being an honest to goodness trigger puller are about one in five. The rest lead a fairly sheltered life, albeit not without hardship unknown to most civilians, sailors, and airmen.
Programming? The NEA, and the bottom third of the graduating classes of America’s universities who obtain teaching certificates do more to program our youth. The Marine Corps’ success has always been based on our ability to attract young men who weren’t afraid to get in a fight on the playground. Those who know that some things are worth fighting for.
I’m accustomed to ignorant cheapshots. I understand that they, as Henry V said, count their manhood cheap who lay abed in England, while others are abroad serving in the field. Having served as a Marine Infantry Officer for over two decades, and with a son serving as one today, I can attest that we’ve never produced a better Corps than the one we have today. That was accomplished by recruiting the very best people for the job, not by programming them.
February 28, 2008 at 9:54 AM #162045CascaParticipantYou said, words to the effect, that Marine programming gone bad was the root of his actions. After thirty years of an all volunteer military, we’ve come to this. The vast majority of those who have not served have an understanding of “the military” almost entirely comprised of what they’ve seen on TV, or cooked up in their fevered imaginations.
Marines are a very distinct culture within the miltary. Within the Marine Corps, those who actually fire a shot in anger are a subset with an even more distinct culture. The chances of your suicidal rapist being an honest to goodness trigger puller are about one in five. The rest lead a fairly sheltered life, albeit not without hardship unknown to most civilians, sailors, and airmen.
Programming? The NEA, and the bottom third of the graduating classes of America’s universities who obtain teaching certificates do more to program our youth. The Marine Corps’ success has always been based on our ability to attract young men who weren’t afraid to get in a fight on the playground. Those who know that some things are worth fighting for.
I’m accustomed to ignorant cheapshots. I understand that they, as Henry V said, count their manhood cheap who lay abed in England, while others are abroad serving in the field. Having served as a Marine Infantry Officer for over two decades, and with a son serving as one today, I can attest that we’ve never produced a better Corps than the one we have today. That was accomplished by recruiting the very best people for the job, not by programming them.
February 28, 2008 at 9:54 AM #162063CascaParticipantYou said, words to the effect, that Marine programming gone bad was the root of his actions. After thirty years of an all volunteer military, we’ve come to this. The vast majority of those who have not served have an understanding of “the military” almost entirely comprised of what they’ve seen on TV, or cooked up in their fevered imaginations.
Marines are a very distinct culture within the miltary. Within the Marine Corps, those who actually fire a shot in anger are a subset with an even more distinct culture. The chances of your suicidal rapist being an honest to goodness trigger puller are about one in five. The rest lead a fairly sheltered life, albeit not without hardship unknown to most civilians, sailors, and airmen.
Programming? The NEA, and the bottom third of the graduating classes of America’s universities who obtain teaching certificates do more to program our youth. The Marine Corps’ success has always been based on our ability to attract young men who weren’t afraid to get in a fight on the playground. Those who know that some things are worth fighting for.
I’m accustomed to ignorant cheapshots. I understand that they, as Henry V said, count their manhood cheap who lay abed in England, while others are abroad serving in the field. Having served as a Marine Infantry Officer for over two decades, and with a son serving as one today, I can attest that we’ve never produced a better Corps than the one we have today. That was accomplished by recruiting the very best people for the job, not by programming them.
February 28, 2008 at 9:54 AM #162080CascaParticipantYou said, words to the effect, that Marine programming gone bad was the root of his actions. After thirty years of an all volunteer military, we’ve come to this. The vast majority of those who have not served have an understanding of “the military” almost entirely comprised of what they’ve seen on TV, or cooked up in their fevered imaginations.
Marines are a very distinct culture within the miltary. Within the Marine Corps, those who actually fire a shot in anger are a subset with an even more distinct culture. The chances of your suicidal rapist being an honest to goodness trigger puller are about one in five. The rest lead a fairly sheltered life, albeit not without hardship unknown to most civilians, sailors, and airmen.
Programming? The NEA, and the bottom third of the graduating classes of America’s universities who obtain teaching certificates do more to program our youth. The Marine Corps’ success has always been based on our ability to attract young men who weren’t afraid to get in a fight on the playground. Those who know that some things are worth fighting for.
I’m accustomed to ignorant cheapshots. I understand that they, as Henry V said, count their manhood cheap who lay abed in England, while others are abroad serving in the field. Having served as a Marine Infantry Officer for over two decades, and with a son serving as one today, I can attest that we’ve never produced a better Corps than the one we have today. That was accomplished by recruiting the very best people for the job, not by programming them.
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