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May 17, 2006 at 5:19 AM #6609May 17, 2006 at 6:20 AM #25504AnonymousGuest
I agree with your assement of the direction of the RE market, but many (if not most) people cannot really sell, nor does it makes sense for everyone to sell.
My house has nearly doubled in value since we bought it in 2000. Even a 40-50% correction would probably not bring us below the purchase price, and definately not below the balance of our mortgage (we put 25% down when we bought). Since we plan to stay in our house (good schools, location, etc.) I can see no reason to sell and move.
I do agree the frog metaphor is disturbing…
May 17, 2006 at 7:27 AM #25505ocrenterParticipantThe frog is kinda like this guy: Flipper in Trouble
May 17, 2006 at 7:29 AM #25506PDParticipantYou aren’t chained to your house….yet.
The only people who can’t move right now are those people who are already in the red. If you are still in the black, sell and rent in your neighborhood. You still shop in the same places, hang out with the same friends and your kids still go to the same school.The only difference is that you have potentially paid yourself hundreds of thousands of dollars to rent for a few years. How many hours would you have to work to make that much? How many hours will you spend on a move? I’m going to be generous with numbers.
40 hours to sell your house
10 hours to find a rental
80 hours to move and set up a new place
Assuming your house is worth 800k and it goes down 20% (a conservative number, I think), you have paid yourself $120,000 (realized after realtors fees).
That means you have earned $923.00 an hour for your trouble. Whow! What a great job.
If your house goes down 40%, you have paid yourself $2,769 an HOUR.
Plus, your monthly expenses are going to be much lower than your mortgage because rents are so out of whack with values.
I live a house right now that is worth 3 times the one I sold. The garage door just broke, a gate needed to be fixed and the stove top is being replaced. I paid nothing to fix these problems. Someone else had that burden.May 17, 2006 at 9:03 AM #25508powaysellerParticipantPD is right. Why is anyone not able to sell right now? The longer you wait, the lower your profits.
I think in another year, when prices are down 20% and foreclosures are increasing, listings are increasing, and sales keep dropping, then those who said they couldn’t sell now, will wish they had. Take advantage of time, which is now on your side. Get out of Dodge before it’s too late.
May 17, 2006 at 9:17 AM #25510bmarumParticipantHave you considered what your downside is if you are wrong? What happens if prices only drop 15%? Will you still come out ahead by selling your house and renting?
May 17, 2006 at 9:32 AM #25512PDParticipantThere is some risk. However, if the house only goes down 15%, you don’t save only 15%. You will have access to all that cash, having it earn money during the interim. Your equity is currently invested in your house. Pull it out and make 4% in a long term CD (very safe).
Plus, how long will the house sit at the bottom price? You could have 5 years making interest on your equity instead of letting it stagnate.
I hate to sound like a salesperson…May 17, 2006 at 11:14 AM #25520powaysellerParticipantI’m 100% sure of being right, so I made the move. But all good investors must consider all the angles.
Assume prices go down 15%, then climb back up. All I need to do is keep renting, because they’ll still be overvalued, and all assets revert to the mean. There are dozens of examples in history: tulips, florida swampland….
If for some odd reason, this time really is different, and I was attached to owning a house (which I’m not), I could buy back in at 15% less. That’s a savings of $120K on a $800K house. Even after closing costs and two moves, I’m ahead by $100K.
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