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May 2, 2010 at 11:27 PM #546921May 3, 2010 at 12:04 AM #545964
SkyRanchOwner
Participant[quote=flu][quote=SkyRanchOwner]More on Eminent Domain abuse and fighting back:
http://www.independent.org/events/transcript.asp?eventID=114
Abuse of Power—How the Government Misuses Eminent Domain
Steven Greenhut
Seven Locks Press 2004
http://prfamerica.org/bookreviews/BookReviewAbuseOfPower.html
A quote from Aristotle, “We make war that we may live in peace” introduces the last chapter. Greenhut notes that the first reaction to abuse is despair, but despair should not be allowed to last long. The key to success is to not feel overwhelmed by the powerful forces. Four main approaches that have yielded success are identified.
The first — community organizing,
the second — adopting a legal strategy,
the third — political,
the fourth revolves around the media!Some of the success stories are reviewed in detail, including:
“Illinois Stops One Stop Shopping,”
“California Dreaming,”
“The Constitution State Rediscovers the Constitution,”
“Colorado Supremes Slap Down Wal-Mart,”
“The Way From San Jose,”
“Atlantic City Officials Gambled and Lost.”Much is to be learned from these anecdotes. Greenhut concludes with the “Organizing ABCs” — Build Broad Coalitions, Go On the Offensive, and Be Positive, Not Just Reactive, Know What You Want to Do, Don’t Lose Sight of Principle, Keep It Simple.[/quote]
No offense, but I think you’re going to be swimming upstream….If in doubt, just ask the folks that bought a home near Palomar Airport.
http://piggington.com/impact_of_palomar_airport_expansion_carlsbad
Anytime you move into a place where there are such “landmarks”, I think the expectation should be that don’t expect things to change. There’s a reason why things those landmarks are there, and why property prices are what they are because of it. If it’s really bothersome, don’t live there just because it’s cheap(er). And if price is all that matters, well then accept that those landmarks are just going to stay there.[/quote]
Good point flu, but really, the Board of Supervisors needs to listen to the people of Santee. This is an old building/comlex left over from the 60s. There are many places to put this jail, and there has been a lot of redevelopment in Santee to support not plopping the new expansion jail in the middle of it all.
The City of Santee doesn’t want it, and I know there are many NIMBY antagonists out there who will say then why did you move there.
I still would move to Sky Ranch even with the jail there, yet the way the City of San Diego is handling this is probably not the most professional way, in my opinion. I mean, you have numerous law suits against you on building/expanding this jail, numerous people in opposition, so you just say, wham, eminent domain. How do you like them apples, city of Santee?
The main problem is that the City of San Diego is probably going to loose the funding for the expansion unless they start moving forward soon. So, they think by eminent domain, they can fast track the process and get by the lawsuits stopping them.
If you haven’t been out to Santee recently and seen all the new development, you probably wouldn’t understand why everyone is so passionate about not expanding the jail here.
May 3, 2010 at 12:04 AM #546077Participant[quote=flu][quote=SkyRanchOwner]More on Eminent Domain abuse and fighting back:
http://www.independent.org/events/transcript.asp?eventID=114
Abuse of Power—How the Government Misuses Eminent Domain
Steven Greenhut
Seven Locks Press 2004
http://prfamerica.org/bookreviews/BookReviewAbuseOfPower.html
A quote from Aristotle, “We make war that we may live in peace” introduces the last chapter. Greenhut notes that the first reaction to abuse is despair, but despair should not be allowed to last long. The key to success is to not feel overwhelmed by the powerful forces. Four main approaches that have yielded success are identified.
The first — community organizing,
the second — adopting a legal strategy,
the third — political,
the fourth revolves around the media!Some of the success stories are reviewed in detail, including:
“Illinois Stops One Stop Shopping,”
“California Dreaming,”
“The Constitution State Rediscovers the Constitution,”
“Colorado Supremes Slap Down Wal-Mart,”
“The Way From San Jose,”
“Atlantic City Officials Gambled and Lost.”Much is to be learned from these anecdotes. Greenhut concludes with the “Organizing ABCs” — Build Broad Coalitions, Go On the Offensive, and Be Positive, Not Just Reactive, Know What You Want to Do, Don’t Lose Sight of Principle, Keep It Simple.[/quote]
No offense, but I think you’re going to be swimming upstream….If in doubt, just ask the folks that bought a home near Palomar Airport.
http://piggington.com/impact_of_palomar_airport_expansion_carlsbad
Anytime you move into a place where there are such “landmarks”, I think the expectation should be that don’t expect things to change. There’s a reason why things those landmarks are there, and why property prices are what they are because of it. If it’s really bothersome, don’t live there just because it’s cheap(er). And if price is all that matters, well then accept that those landmarks are just going to stay there.[/quote]
Good point flu, but really, the Board of Supervisors needs to listen to the people of Santee. This is an old building/comlex left over from the 60s. There are many places to put this jail, and there has been a lot of redevelopment in Santee to support not plopping the new expansion jail in the middle of it all.
The City of Santee doesn’t want it, and I know there are many NIMBY antagonists out there who will say then why did you move there.
I still would move to Sky Ranch even with the jail there, yet the way the City of San Diego is handling this is probably not the most professional way, in my opinion. I mean, you have numerous law suits against you on building/expanding this jail, numerous people in opposition, so you just say, wham, eminent domain. How do you like them apples, city of Santee?
The main problem is that the City of San Diego is probably going to loose the funding for the expansion unless they start moving forward soon. So, they think by eminent domain, they can fast track the process and get by the lawsuits stopping them.
If you haven’t been out to Santee recently and seen all the new development, you probably wouldn’t understand why everyone is so passionate about not expanding the jail here.
May 3, 2010 at 12:04 AM #546557Participant[quote=flu][quote=SkyRanchOwner]More on Eminent Domain abuse and fighting back:
http://www.independent.org/events/transcript.asp?eventID=114
Abuse of Power—How the Government Misuses Eminent Domain
Steven Greenhut
Seven Locks Press 2004
http://prfamerica.org/bookreviews/BookReviewAbuseOfPower.html
A quote from Aristotle, “We make war that we may live in peace” introduces the last chapter. Greenhut notes that the first reaction to abuse is despair, but despair should not be allowed to last long. The key to success is to not feel overwhelmed by the powerful forces. Four main approaches that have yielded success are identified.
The first — community organizing,
the second — adopting a legal strategy,
the third — political,
the fourth revolves around the media!Some of the success stories are reviewed in detail, including:
“Illinois Stops One Stop Shopping,”
“California Dreaming,”
“The Constitution State Rediscovers the Constitution,”
“Colorado Supremes Slap Down Wal-Mart,”
“The Way From San Jose,”
“Atlantic City Officials Gambled and Lost.”Much is to be learned from these anecdotes. Greenhut concludes with the “Organizing ABCs” — Build Broad Coalitions, Go On the Offensive, and Be Positive, Not Just Reactive, Know What You Want to Do, Don’t Lose Sight of Principle, Keep It Simple.[/quote]
No offense, but I think you’re going to be swimming upstream….If in doubt, just ask the folks that bought a home near Palomar Airport.
http://piggington.com/impact_of_palomar_airport_expansion_carlsbad
Anytime you move into a place where there are such “landmarks”, I think the expectation should be that don’t expect things to change. There’s a reason why things those landmarks are there, and why property prices are what they are because of it. If it’s really bothersome, don’t live there just because it’s cheap(er). And if price is all that matters, well then accept that those landmarks are just going to stay there.[/quote]
Good point flu, but really, the Board of Supervisors needs to listen to the people of Santee. This is an old building/comlex left over from the 60s. There are many places to put this jail, and there has been a lot of redevelopment in Santee to support not plopping the new expansion jail in the middle of it all.
The City of Santee doesn’t want it, and I know there are many NIMBY antagonists out there who will say then why did you move there.
I still would move to Sky Ranch even with the jail there, yet the way the City of San Diego is handling this is probably not the most professional way, in my opinion. I mean, you have numerous law suits against you on building/expanding this jail, numerous people in opposition, so you just say, wham, eminent domain. How do you like them apples, city of Santee?
The main problem is that the City of San Diego is probably going to loose the funding for the expansion unless they start moving forward soon. So, they think by eminent domain, they can fast track the process and get by the lawsuits stopping them.
If you haven’t been out to Santee recently and seen all the new development, you probably wouldn’t understand why everyone is so passionate about not expanding the jail here.
May 3, 2010 at 12:04 AM #546653Participant[quote=flu][quote=SkyRanchOwner]More on Eminent Domain abuse and fighting back:
http://www.independent.org/events/transcript.asp?eventID=114
Abuse of Power—How the Government Misuses Eminent Domain
Steven Greenhut
Seven Locks Press 2004
http://prfamerica.org/bookreviews/BookReviewAbuseOfPower.html
A quote from Aristotle, “We make war that we may live in peace” introduces the last chapter. Greenhut notes that the first reaction to abuse is despair, but despair should not be allowed to last long. The key to success is to not feel overwhelmed by the powerful forces. Four main approaches that have yielded success are identified.
The first — community organizing,
the second — adopting a legal strategy,
the third — political,
the fourth revolves around the media!Some of the success stories are reviewed in detail, including:
“Illinois Stops One Stop Shopping,”
“California Dreaming,”
“The Constitution State Rediscovers the Constitution,”
“Colorado Supremes Slap Down Wal-Mart,”
“The Way From San Jose,”
“Atlantic City Officials Gambled and Lost.”Much is to be learned from these anecdotes. Greenhut concludes with the “Organizing ABCs” — Build Broad Coalitions, Go On the Offensive, and Be Positive, Not Just Reactive, Know What You Want to Do, Don’t Lose Sight of Principle, Keep It Simple.[/quote]
No offense, but I think you’re going to be swimming upstream….If in doubt, just ask the folks that bought a home near Palomar Airport.
http://piggington.com/impact_of_palomar_airport_expansion_carlsbad
Anytime you move into a place where there are such “landmarks”, I think the expectation should be that don’t expect things to change. There’s a reason why things those landmarks are there, and why property prices are what they are because of it. If it’s really bothersome, don’t live there just because it’s cheap(er). And if price is all that matters, well then accept that those landmarks are just going to stay there.[/quote]
Good point flu, but really, the Board of Supervisors needs to listen to the people of Santee. This is an old building/comlex left over from the 60s. There are many places to put this jail, and there has been a lot of redevelopment in Santee to support not plopping the new expansion jail in the middle of it all.
The City of Santee doesn’t want it, and I know there are many NIMBY antagonists out there who will say then why did you move there.
I still would move to Sky Ranch even with the jail there, yet the way the City of San Diego is handling this is probably not the most professional way, in my opinion. I mean, you have numerous law suits against you on building/expanding this jail, numerous people in opposition, so you just say, wham, eminent domain. How do you like them apples, city of Santee?
The main problem is that the City of San Diego is probably going to loose the funding for the expansion unless they start moving forward soon. So, they think by eminent domain, they can fast track the process and get by the lawsuits stopping them.
If you haven’t been out to Santee recently and seen all the new development, you probably wouldn’t understand why everyone is so passionate about not expanding the jail here.
May 3, 2010 at 12:04 AM #546926Participant[quote=flu][quote=SkyRanchOwner]More on Eminent Domain abuse and fighting back:
http://www.independent.org/events/transcript.asp?eventID=114
Abuse of Power—How the Government Misuses Eminent Domain
Steven Greenhut
Seven Locks Press 2004
http://prfamerica.org/bookreviews/BookReviewAbuseOfPower.html
A quote from Aristotle, “We make war that we may live in peace” introduces the last chapter. Greenhut notes that the first reaction to abuse is despair, but despair should not be allowed to last long. The key to success is to not feel overwhelmed by the powerful forces. Four main approaches that have yielded success are identified.
The first — community organizing,
the second — adopting a legal strategy,
the third — political,
the fourth revolves around the media!Some of the success stories are reviewed in detail, including:
“Illinois Stops One Stop Shopping,”
“California Dreaming,”
“The Constitution State Rediscovers the Constitution,”
“Colorado Supremes Slap Down Wal-Mart,”
“The Way From San Jose,”
“Atlantic City Officials Gambled and Lost.”Much is to be learned from these anecdotes. Greenhut concludes with the “Organizing ABCs” — Build Broad Coalitions, Go On the Offensive, and Be Positive, Not Just Reactive, Know What You Want to Do, Don’t Lose Sight of Principle, Keep It Simple.[/quote]
No offense, but I think you’re going to be swimming upstream….If in doubt, just ask the folks that bought a home near Palomar Airport.
http://piggington.com/impact_of_palomar_airport_expansion_carlsbad
Anytime you move into a place where there are such “landmarks”, I think the expectation should be that don’t expect things to change. There’s a reason why things those landmarks are there, and why property prices are what they are because of it. If it’s really bothersome, don’t live there just because it’s cheap(er). And if price is all that matters, well then accept that those landmarks are just going to stay there.[/quote]
Good point flu, but really, the Board of Supervisors needs to listen to the people of Santee. This is an old building/comlex left over from the 60s. There are many places to put this jail, and there has been a lot of redevelopment in Santee to support not plopping the new expansion jail in the middle of it all.
The City of Santee doesn’t want it, and I know there are many NIMBY antagonists out there who will say then why did you move there.
I still would move to Sky Ranch even with the jail there, yet the way the City of San Diego is handling this is probably not the most professional way, in my opinion. I mean, you have numerous law suits against you on building/expanding this jail, numerous people in opposition, so you just say, wham, eminent domain. How do you like them apples, city of Santee?
The main problem is that the City of San Diego is probably going to loose the funding for the expansion unless they start moving forward soon. So, they think by eminent domain, they can fast track the process and get by the lawsuits stopping them.
If you haven’t been out to Santee recently and seen all the new development, you probably wouldn’t understand why everyone is so passionate about not expanding the jail here.
May 3, 2010 at 1:32 PM #546114bearishgurl
Participant[quote=SkyRanchOwner]. . . Good point flu, but really, the Board of Supervisors needs to listen to the people of Santee. This is an old building/comlex left over from the 60s. There are many places to put this jail, and there has been a lot of redevelopment in Santee to support not plopping the new expansion jail in the middle of it all.[/quote]
Skyranchowner, the County has owned this land for nearly 50 years. Not only is Las Colinas situated there, but Edgemoor long-term care facility is also there, as well as other County offices. The County has a *fleet* of attorneys well versed in land-use matters in its employ and at their disposal (not hourly) to pursue eminent domain. They have nothing but time on their hands and will litigate into oblivion, all the way through the appeal process.
Every single business that has moved into Santee in recent years was AWARE that the County owned a HUGE parcel in the middle of Santee BEFORE they moved in.
County is only attempting to get eminent domain rights against the developer’s use of the fringes of the land they already own (most likely for easements for jail bus parking, truck loading ramps and the like).
I am a retired County employee, not necessarily always on the side of the County and can tell you that yes, this particular group of supervisors has been on board for 16 to 18 years. Every 4 years, each one comes up for re-election in their respective districts (Slater-Price’s and Horn’s districts have been “gerrymandered” in recent years) and they either run unopposed or “win” another term. I can personally recall two expensive and persistent campaigning attempts by one of the County’s unions for Dianne Jacob’s running mates. Alas, they did not work.
Skyranchowner, the PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN. Things are what they are. You must accept what Santee actually is below you as it is in your constant view 🙂
May 3, 2010 at 1:32 PM #546227Participant[quote=SkyRanchOwner]. . . Good point flu, but really, the Board of Supervisors needs to listen to the people of Santee. This is an old building/comlex left over from the 60s. There are many places to put this jail, and there has been a lot of redevelopment in Santee to support not plopping the new expansion jail in the middle of it all.[/quote]
Skyranchowner, the County has owned this land for nearly 50 years. Not only is Las Colinas situated there, but Edgemoor long-term care facility is also there, as well as other County offices. The County has a *fleet* of attorneys well versed in land-use matters in its employ and at their disposal (not hourly) to pursue eminent domain. They have nothing but time on their hands and will litigate into oblivion, all the way through the appeal process.
Every single business that has moved into Santee in recent years was AWARE that the County owned a HUGE parcel in the middle of Santee BEFORE they moved in.
County is only attempting to get eminent domain rights against the developer’s use of the fringes of the land they already own (most likely for easements for jail bus parking, truck loading ramps and the like).
I am a retired County employee, not necessarily always on the side of the County and can tell you that yes, this particular group of supervisors has been on board for 16 to 18 years. Every 4 years, each one comes up for re-election in their respective districts (Slater-Price’s and Horn’s districts have been “gerrymandered” in recent years) and they either run unopposed or “win” another term. I can personally recall two expensive and persistent campaigning attempts by one of the County’s unions for Dianne Jacob’s running mates. Alas, they did not work.
Skyranchowner, the PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN. Things are what they are. You must accept what Santee actually is below you as it is in your constant view 🙂
May 3, 2010 at 1:32 PM #546707Participant[quote=SkyRanchOwner]. . . Good point flu, but really, the Board of Supervisors needs to listen to the people of Santee. This is an old building/comlex left over from the 60s. There are many places to put this jail, and there has been a lot of redevelopment in Santee to support not plopping the new expansion jail in the middle of it all.[/quote]
Skyranchowner, the County has owned this land for nearly 50 years. Not only is Las Colinas situated there, but Edgemoor long-term care facility is also there, as well as other County offices. The County has a *fleet* of attorneys well versed in land-use matters in its employ and at their disposal (not hourly) to pursue eminent domain. They have nothing but time on their hands and will litigate into oblivion, all the way through the appeal process.
Every single business that has moved into Santee in recent years was AWARE that the County owned a HUGE parcel in the middle of Santee BEFORE they moved in.
County is only attempting to get eminent domain rights against the developer’s use of the fringes of the land they already own (most likely for easements for jail bus parking, truck loading ramps and the like).
I am a retired County employee, not necessarily always on the side of the County and can tell you that yes, this particular group of supervisors has been on board for 16 to 18 years. Every 4 years, each one comes up for re-election in their respective districts (Slater-Price’s and Horn’s districts have been “gerrymandered” in recent years) and they either run unopposed or “win” another term. I can personally recall two expensive and persistent campaigning attempts by one of the County’s unions for Dianne Jacob’s running mates. Alas, they did not work.
Skyranchowner, the PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN. Things are what they are. You must accept what Santee actually is below you as it is in your constant view 🙂
May 3, 2010 at 1:32 PM #546804Participant[quote=SkyRanchOwner]. . . Good point flu, but really, the Board of Supervisors needs to listen to the people of Santee. This is an old building/comlex left over from the 60s. There are many places to put this jail, and there has been a lot of redevelopment in Santee to support not plopping the new expansion jail in the middle of it all.[/quote]
Skyranchowner, the County has owned this land for nearly 50 years. Not only is Las Colinas situated there, but Edgemoor long-term care facility is also there, as well as other County offices. The County has a *fleet* of attorneys well versed in land-use matters in its employ and at their disposal (not hourly) to pursue eminent domain. They have nothing but time on their hands and will litigate into oblivion, all the way through the appeal process.
Every single business that has moved into Santee in recent years was AWARE that the County owned a HUGE parcel in the middle of Santee BEFORE they moved in.
County is only attempting to get eminent domain rights against the developer’s use of the fringes of the land they already own (most likely for easements for jail bus parking, truck loading ramps and the like).
I am a retired County employee, not necessarily always on the side of the County and can tell you that yes, this particular group of supervisors has been on board for 16 to 18 years. Every 4 years, each one comes up for re-election in their respective districts (Slater-Price’s and Horn’s districts have been “gerrymandered” in recent years) and they either run unopposed or “win” another term. I can personally recall two expensive and persistent campaigning attempts by one of the County’s unions for Dianne Jacob’s running mates. Alas, they did not work.
Skyranchowner, the PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN. Things are what they are. You must accept what Santee actually is below you as it is in your constant view 🙂
May 3, 2010 at 1:32 PM #547076Participant[quote=SkyRanchOwner]. . . Good point flu, but really, the Board of Supervisors needs to listen to the people of Santee. This is an old building/comlex left over from the 60s. There are many places to put this jail, and there has been a lot of redevelopment in Santee to support not plopping the new expansion jail in the middle of it all.[/quote]
Skyranchowner, the County has owned this land for nearly 50 years. Not only is Las Colinas situated there, but Edgemoor long-term care facility is also there, as well as other County offices. The County has a *fleet* of attorneys well versed in land-use matters in its employ and at their disposal (not hourly) to pursue eminent domain. They have nothing but time on their hands and will litigate into oblivion, all the way through the appeal process.
Every single business that has moved into Santee in recent years was AWARE that the County owned a HUGE parcel in the middle of Santee BEFORE they moved in.
County is only attempting to get eminent domain rights against the developer’s use of the fringes of the land they already own (most likely for easements for jail bus parking, truck loading ramps and the like).
I am a retired County employee, not necessarily always on the side of the County and can tell you that yes, this particular group of supervisors has been on board for 16 to 18 years. Every 4 years, each one comes up for re-election in their respective districts (Slater-Price’s and Horn’s districts have been “gerrymandered” in recent years) and they either run unopposed or “win” another term. I can personally recall two expensive and persistent campaigning attempts by one of the County’s unions for Dianne Jacob’s running mates. Alas, they did not work.
Skyranchowner, the PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN. Things are what they are. You must accept what Santee actually is below you as it is in your constant view 🙂
May 3, 2010 at 2:33 PM #546164UCGal
Participant[quote=SkyRanchOwner]. . . Good point flu, but really, the Board of Supervisors needs to listen to the people of Santee. This is an old building/comlex left over from the 60s. There are many places to put this jail, and there has been a lot of redevelopment in Santee to support not plopping the new expansion jail in the middle of it all.[/quote]
Technically – only the 2nd district supervisor has to listen to the people of Santee. She did, and that’s why Jacobs was the dissenting vote.
But – if you want to campaign against the other 4, feel free. I’m not a fan of any of them.
May 3, 2010 at 2:33 PM #546277Participant[quote=SkyRanchOwner]. . . Good point flu, but really, the Board of Supervisors needs to listen to the people of Santee. This is an old building/comlex left over from the 60s. There are many places to put this jail, and there has been a lot of redevelopment in Santee to support not plopping the new expansion jail in the middle of it all.[/quote]
Technically – only the 2nd district supervisor has to listen to the people of Santee. She did, and that’s why Jacobs was the dissenting vote.
But – if you want to campaign against the other 4, feel free. I’m not a fan of any of them.
May 3, 2010 at 2:33 PM #546757Participant[quote=SkyRanchOwner]. . . Good point flu, but really, the Board of Supervisors needs to listen to the people of Santee. This is an old building/comlex left over from the 60s. There are many places to put this jail, and there has been a lot of redevelopment in Santee to support not plopping the new expansion jail in the middle of it all.[/quote]
Technically – only the 2nd district supervisor has to listen to the people of Santee. She did, and that’s why Jacobs was the dissenting vote.
But – if you want to campaign against the other 4, feel free. I’m not a fan of any of them.
May 3, 2010 at 2:33 PM #546854Participant[quote=SkyRanchOwner]. . . Good point flu, but really, the Board of Supervisors needs to listen to the people of Santee. This is an old building/comlex left over from the 60s. There are many places to put this jail, and there has been a lot of redevelopment in Santee to support not plopping the new expansion jail in the middle of it all.[/quote]
Technically – only the 2nd district supervisor has to listen to the people of Santee. She did, and that’s why Jacobs was the dissenting vote.
But – if you want to campaign against the other 4, feel free. I’m not a fan of any of them.
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