OT: Sad day for America

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Agreed that there exists vitriolic assholes on both sides, but it’s a false equivalency to compare any of the left’s ill-advised statements to the right’s gleeful fetishization of guns, “don’t retreat, reload!”, “renewing the tree of liberty” and “2nd amendment remedies.” The comparison doesn’t even come close. I really was hoping the discussion wouldn’t turn into a left-vs-right thing, but it almost begs it.

Even if his personal motivations weren’t political, the fact that his target was a politician makes this an inherently political attack. Events like this don’t happen in a vacuum.

Would the narrative be different if it was a Republican that was targeted? You bet your ass. A stoner who reads the Communist Manifesto attempts to assassinate a Republican Congresswoman? How do you think that would be playing on Fox News?

And what if the kids name was Amir Aalam Hussein?

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And if you thought that this incident was going to chill things out, think again:

San Diego white nationalist renews revolutionary rhetoric after Tucson shooting

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And if you thought that this incident was going to chill things out, think again:

San Diego white nationalist renews revolutionary rhetoric after Tucson shooting

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And if you thought that this incident was going to chill things out, think again:

San Diego white nationalist renews revolutionary rhetoric after Tucson shooting

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And if you thought that this incident was going to chill things out, think again:

San Diego white nationalist renews revolutionary rhetoric after Tucson shooting

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And if you thought that this incident was going to chill things out, think again:

San Diego white nationalist renews revolutionary rhetoric after Tucson shooting

[NotCranky]

How can it not be a left or right thing, AFX? You’re here and they’re here. “Where are the independents?”,someone asked earlier in this thread…things are so messed up that independents have two choices for involvement in anything political, to make the reds and the blues laugh or to piss them all off.

[NotCranky]

How can it not be a left or right thing, AFX? You’re here and they’re here. “Where are the independents?”,someone asked earlier in this thread…things are so messed up that independents have two choices for involvement in anything political, to make the reds and the blues laugh or to piss them all off.

[NotCranky]

How can it not be a left or right thing, AFX? You’re here and they’re here. “Where are the independents?”,someone asked earlier in this thread…things are so messed up that independents have two choices for involvement in anything political, to make the reds and the blues laugh or to piss them all off.

[NotCranky]

How can it not be a left or right thing, AFX? You’re here and they’re here. “Where are the independents?”,someone asked earlier in this thread…things are so messed up that independents have two choices for involvement in anything political, to make the reds and the blues laugh or to piss them all off.

[NotCranky]

How can it not be a left or right thing, AFX? You’re here and they’re here. “Where are the independents?”,someone asked earlier in this thread…things are so messed up that independents have two choices for involvement in anything political, to make the reds and the blues laugh or to piss them all off.

[faterikcartman]

It is always those who call themselves liberals that are the first to embrace fascism. And yes, I’m saying the OP is calling for fascism and oppression.

The shooter was known as a liberal. Weren’t his fave books by communists and socialists? Have you heard that the shooter actually worked on the congressperson’s campaign in ’07? Have you read that this congressperson voted against Nancy Pelosi? Have you read that a poster on a liberal blog said she was dead to them as a result? Do you remember that Obama himself said if political opponents bring a knife, [we] will bring a gun?

Have you read that, bottom line, the shooter was a homicidal nut-job?

You neo-fascists are like Nazis without the love of country. You think you also lack the desire to kill Jews — but I question that as most of you seem to fall over yourselves to embrace Islamists who want to do just that.

You’re counter-revolutionaries. You reject the Constitution. And you reject the concept that oppressed people can justly physically resist.

And unable to counter intellectual arguments you look to simply shut the mouths of the opposition.

I can’t help but think this mindset is the result of some sort of mental illness, stupidity, or you’re all in on the dirty little secret that it is just a ploy to silence those you disagree with.

No one but crazies sees political opponents “in the cross-hairs” as a direct threat. Stopping public discourse is not going to do anything to keep the crazies in check.

That’s the thinking — or lack of it — you get when you teach multi-culti nonsense in schools instead of history. People start thinking there were no wars before guns and no violent crime before television.

I, for one, am tired of sitting idly by whilst a new cadre of commissars call for restrictions on free speech, restrictions on gun ownership so that the people cannot resist an oppressive state, and restrictions on most anything they don’t like in the name of the global-warming hoax.

You so-called liberals have such muddled brains that on the one hand you argue for limitless abortions because you have the right to do what you will with your own bodies. You argue that marijuana should be legal for the same reason — your body, your choice. But more and more communities that are hot-beds for liberalism are banning trans-fats to save people from themselves.

As the guy from Fallbrook pointed out — literally burning Bush in effigy was celebrated by the left.

The left (true fascist haters of individual freedom) goes off the deep end and everyone thinks it’s fine. The so-called right (true classical liberals) uses a political metaphor and they’re accused of calling for murder and people clamour for controls on talk radio and firearms. Conveniently, no one mentions that the liberal mainstream media is left unmolested and the arms of state control remain fully armed.

Now I see how Hitler was able to turn a nation against a minority group and murder six million people on a pretext.

You people need to slap yourselves (now you nutters will accuse me inciting violence — well yes, I’m trying to incite you to violence against yourselves, I won’t deny it), take a cold bracing shower, look yourselves in the mirror, and think about where your dreams lead.

You sorts always look at things through the prism of the current political climate — but fail to foresee what it would be like if future, much less benign, “leaders” were in power with the controls you establish now. Wake up. Freedom has a price and too many people are cheap bastards.

[faterikcartman]

It is always those who call themselves liberals that are the first to embrace fascism. And yes, I’m saying the OP is calling for fascism and oppression.

The shooter was known as a liberal. Weren’t his fave books by communists and socialists? Have you heard that the shooter actually worked on the congressperson’s campaign in ’07? Have you read that this congressperson voted against Nancy Pelosi? Have you read that a poster on a liberal blog said she was dead to them as a result? Do you remember that Obama himself said if political opponents bring a knife, [we] will bring a gun?

Have you read that, bottom line, the shooter was a homicidal nut-job?

You neo-fascists are like Nazis without the love of country. You think you also lack the desire to kill Jews — but I question that as most of you seem to fall over yourselves to embrace Islamists who want to do just that.

You’re counter-revolutionaries. You reject the Constitution. And you reject the concept that oppressed people can justly physically resist.

And unable to counter intellectual arguments you look to simply shut the mouths of the opposition.

I can’t help but think this mindset is the result of some sort of mental illness, stupidity, or you’re all in on the dirty little secret that it is just a ploy to silence those you disagree with.

No one but crazies sees political opponents “in the cross-hairs” as a direct threat. Stopping public discourse is not going to do anything to keep the crazies in check.

That’s the thinking — or lack of it — you get when you teach multi-culti nonsense in schools instead of history. People start thinking there were no wars before guns and no violent crime before television.

I, for one, am tired of sitting idly by whilst a new cadre of commissars call for restrictions on free speech, restrictions on gun ownership so that the people cannot resist an oppressive state, and restrictions on most anything they don’t like in the name of the global-warming hoax.

You so-called liberals have such muddled brains that on the one hand you argue for limitless abortions because you have the right to do what you will with your own bodies. You argue that marijuana should be legal for the same reason — your body, your choice. But more and more communities that are hot-beds for liberalism are banning trans-fats to save people from themselves.

As the guy from Fallbrook pointed out — literally burning Bush in effigy was celebrated by the left.

The left (true fascist haters of individual freedom) goes off the deep end and everyone thinks it’s fine. The so-called right (true classical liberals) uses a political metaphor and they’re accused of calling for murder and people clamour for controls on talk radio and firearms. Conveniently, no one mentions that the liberal mainstream media is left unmolested and the arms of state control remain fully armed.

Now I see how Hitler was able to turn a nation against a minority group and murder six million people on a pretext.

You people need to slap yourselves (now you nutters will accuse me inciting violence — well yes, I’m trying to incite you to violence against yourselves, I won’t deny it), take a cold bracing shower, look yourselves in the mirror, and think about where your dreams lead.

You sorts always look at things through the prism of the current political climate — but fail to foresee what it would be like if future, much less benign, “leaders” were in power with the controls you establish now. Wake up. Freedom has a price and too many people are cheap bastards.

[faterikcartman]

It is always those who call themselves liberals that are the first to embrace fascism. And yes, I’m saying the OP is calling for fascism and oppression.

The shooter was known as a liberal. Weren’t his fave books by communists and socialists? Have you heard that the shooter actually worked on the congressperson’s campaign in ’07? Have you read that this congressperson voted against Nancy Pelosi? Have you read that a poster on a liberal blog said she was dead to them as a result? Do you remember that Obama himself said if political opponents bring a knife, [we] will bring a gun?

Have you read that, bottom line, the shooter was a homicidal nut-job?

You neo-fascists are like Nazis without the love of country. You think you also lack the desire to kill Jews — but I question that as most of you seem to fall over yourselves to embrace Islamists who want to do just that.

You’re counter-revolutionaries. You reject the Constitution. And you reject the concept that oppressed people can justly physically resist.

And unable to counter intellectual arguments you look to simply shut the mouths of the opposition.

I can’t help but think this mindset is the result of some sort of mental illness, stupidity, or you’re all in on the dirty little secret that it is just a ploy to silence those you disagree with.

No one but crazies sees political opponents “in the cross-hairs” as a direct threat. Stopping public discourse is not going to do anything to keep the crazies in check.

That’s the thinking — or lack of it — you get when you teach multi-culti nonsense in schools instead of history. People start thinking there were no wars before guns and no violent crime before television.

I, for one, am tired of sitting idly by whilst a new cadre of commissars call for restrictions on free speech, restrictions on gun ownership so that the people cannot resist an oppressive state, and restrictions on most anything they don’t like in the name of the global-warming hoax.

You so-called liberals have such muddled brains that on the one hand you argue for limitless abortions because you have the right to do what you will with your own bodies. You argue that marijuana should be legal for the same reason — your body, your choice. But more and more communities that are hot-beds for liberalism are banning trans-fats to save people from themselves.

As the guy from Fallbrook pointed out — literally burning Bush in effigy was celebrated by the left.

The left (true fascist haters of individual freedom) goes off the deep end and everyone thinks it’s fine. The so-called right (true classical liberals) uses a political metaphor and they’re accused of calling for murder and people clamour for controls on talk radio and firearms. Conveniently, no one mentions that the liberal mainstream media is left unmolested and the arms of state control remain fully armed.

Now I see how Hitler was able to turn a nation against a minority group and murder six million people on a pretext.

You people need to slap yourselves (now you nutters will accuse me inciting violence — well yes, I’m trying to incite you to violence against yourselves, I won’t deny it), take a cold bracing shower, look yourselves in the mirror, and think about where your dreams lead.

You sorts always look at things through the prism of the current political climate — but fail to foresee what it would be like if future, much less benign, “leaders” were in power with the controls you establish now. Wake up. Freedom has a price and too many people are cheap bastards.

[faterikcartman]

It is always those who call themselves liberals that are the first to embrace fascism. And yes, I’m saying the OP is calling for fascism and oppression.

The shooter was known as a liberal. Weren’t his fave books by communists and socialists? Have you heard that the shooter actually worked on the congressperson’s campaign in ’07? Have you read that this congressperson voted against Nancy Pelosi? Have you read that a poster on a liberal blog said she was dead to them as a result? Do you remember that Obama himself said if political opponents bring a knife, [we] will bring a gun?

Have you read that, bottom line, the shooter was a homicidal nut-job?

You neo-fascists are like Nazis without the love of country. You think you also lack the desire to kill Jews — but I question that as most of you seem to fall over yourselves to embrace Islamists who want to do just that.

You’re counter-revolutionaries. You reject the Constitution. And you reject the concept that oppressed people can justly physically resist.

And unable to counter intellectual arguments you look to simply shut the mouths of the opposition.

I can’t help but think this mindset is the result of some sort of mental illness, stupidity, or you’re all in on the dirty little secret that it is just a ploy to silence those you disagree with.

No one but crazies sees political opponents “in the cross-hairs” as a direct threat. Stopping public discourse is not going to do anything to keep the crazies in check.

That’s the thinking — or lack of it — you get when you teach multi-culti nonsense in schools instead of history. People start thinking there were no wars before guns and no violent crime before television.

I, for one, am tired of sitting idly by whilst a new cadre of commissars call for restrictions on free speech, restrictions on gun ownership so that the people cannot resist an oppressive state, and restrictions on most anything they don’t like in the name of the global-warming hoax.

You so-called liberals have such muddled brains that on the one hand you argue for limitless abortions because you have the right to do what you will with your own bodies. You argue that marijuana should be legal for the same reason — your body, your choice. But more and more communities that are hot-beds for liberalism are banning trans-fats to save people from themselves.

As the guy from Fallbrook pointed out — literally burning Bush in effigy was celebrated by the left.

The left (true fascist haters of individual freedom) goes off the deep end and everyone thinks it’s fine. The so-called right (true classical liberals) uses a political metaphor and they’re accused of calling for murder and people clamour for controls on talk radio and firearms. Conveniently, no one mentions that the liberal mainstream media is left unmolested and the arms of state control remain fully armed.

Now I see how Hitler was able to turn a nation against a minority group and murder six million people on a pretext.

You people need to slap yourselves (now you nutters will accuse me inciting violence — well yes, I’m trying to incite you to violence against yourselves, I won’t deny it), take a cold bracing shower, look yourselves in the mirror, and think about where your dreams lead.

You sorts always look at things through the prism of the current political climate — but fail to foresee what it would be like if future, much less benign, “leaders” were in power with the controls you establish now. Wake up. Freedom has a price and too many people are cheap bastards.

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