OT: New Spin on Home Invasion

[svelte]

[quote=harvey]Call 911 and there’s a good possibility that you’ll be cleaning blood off your kitchen floor, your kid will be attending a classmate’s funeral, and a cop or two will get some extra paid vacation.

I teach my kids to never call 911 un less it’s a matter of life and death.[/quote]

Odds of that seem low – compare the number of police shootings versus the number of calls they respond to.

If there are lunatics breaking into my house and trashing it, you betcha I’m gonna call 911.

[zk]

[quote=harvey]Call 911 and there’s a good possibility that you’ll be cleaning blood off your kitchen floor, your kid will be attending a classmate’s funeral, and a cop or two will get some extra paid vacation.

I teach my kids to never call 911 un less it’s a matter of life and death.[/quote]

That kind of paranoia is similar to (and as dangerous as) the paranoia on the right about ebola, sharia law, mexican rapists, etc.

[Anonymous]

lol, paranoia.

The comment wasn’t wholly serious.

Calling the police may make a situation better, it may make it worse. Once the cops arrive, they are in control. They can handle the situation however they want. And if you don’t like the outcome determined entirely by officer Imadick or officer Ihadabadday, tough luck.

It would take no more than two non-cop adults to clear a house full of partying teenagers. And it can be done without your kid and/or their friends ending up with a criminal record, or worse.

Call the neighbors, not the cops.

[njtosd]

[quote=svelte][quote=njtosd] I personally had not heard of anything like this before.[/quote]

Risky Business
Sixteen Candles
Project X
American Pie
Superbad
House Party

Teen house parties going amuck while the parents are away were in all of those movies. Maybe word of mouth didn’t spread via craigslist/facebook/twitter, but there have always been ways to spread it.

When I had teens at home and my wife and I were going to be away for the evening or weekend, I would go talk to the neighbors and explain that we were leaving a teen alone and that if ANY strange cars/people came by the house, to give us a call. So I knew about the possibilities even back then. We didn’t want to come back and find Animal House in our living room.[/quote]

Yes, obviously, I’ve seen movies about this. You don’t think movies are real life, though, do you? Most here seem determined that this girl or her friends had something to do with it. Perhaps that is the case, and I am still trying to find this out, but this would probably be one of the last types of kids I would expect this from. Naturally, I wouldn’t have posted it if I thought that were the case (in fact, that scenario happened next door a few years ago and it was clear what was going on).

[njtosd]

[quote=svelte]

What city was this in?

If someone calls 911 stating intruders are ransacking their house and the police don’t arrive in under 5 minutes, then you need to have a talk with your local police department and hit all the news stations with the story.[/quote]

Carmel Valley. And yes – there have been a fair number of complaints about slow response times.

[ucodegen]

[quote=njtosd]
2. Who said police were delayed or that the girls didn’t call right away? There is an ongoing problem of slow response, btw.[/quote] Where was this? In San Diego, I know how to get about 5min response on non-critical – much less if critical.

Sorry, just noticed – Carmel Valley… did they go through 911? That path is slow (can be over 15 min just to get on). The technique I use is to know the dispatch numbers (programmed into phone – they are regional). When I call, I have already planned what I am going to say – the people @ dispatch are really busy and are in no mood for ‘discussions’ or extracting info from a confused person.

Soon as I get an answer:
My Name, phone number. – they don’t have access to the GPRS data that 911 has.
Location – as detailed as possible. If not sure where, but have a smart phone – get the GPS position within 4 to 5 digits past the decimal point before you call. That is accurate to within 30 feet. If you have a dumb phone and are ‘lost’ – call 911, not dispatch. They can get GPS from the GPRS data stream provided by the phone on a 911 call.
Nature of problem – Be accurate, no drama.
What I feel is needed and one sentence of why.
NOTE: I must also repeat – when talking to dispatch – No Drama. They don’t have time for it.

Sometimes it ends there, sometimes they have additional questions… but the whole conversation is very short. I think the longest was just over 1 minute. I think I have had to do this about 3 or 4 times. Shortest response near Mira Mesa was about 3 min, longest was just over 10 (Officer got a little lost).

I know that you are ‘supposed’ to use 911 for emergencies instead of Dispatch – however, I have found Dispatch to be much quicker, and they can cross call to Fire and Ambulance. Just remember – you are talking to a Police Officer, not a Social Worker. No Drama, No Exaggerations, Nothing But the Facts(Dragnet).

[ucodegen]

[quote=harvey]
It would take no more than two non-cop adults to clear a house full of partying teenagers. And it can be done without your kid and/or their friends ending up with a criminal record, or worse.[/quote]

Not from what I have seen. Depends upon the age, and size. You are throwing 2 adults against over 100 teens. Are some of them members of the HS Football Team? Are you a parent? Are your children teenagers – particularly late teen? If you are, you would know how difficult it can be for just one parent to deal with one teen, let alone 100 operating with ‘group-think’ and diffusion of responsibility.

Remember that these ‘kids’ committed forceable entry – technically B&E, misdemeanor to felony vandalism, theft, and underage drinking.

If the individuals were under 18 at time of offense, their record gets sealed at 18. With some of them, meeting police may wake them up.

[ucodegen]

[quote=njtosd]Yes, obviously, I’ve seen movies about this. You don’t think movies are real life, though, do you? Most here seem determined that this girl or her friends had something to do with it. [/quote]

I grew up in a real nice neighborhood, and I knew about these word of mouth parties when parents are out – this was in the late 70’s.

[Anonymous]

So now it’s 100 belligerent football players? This party gets bigger with every post.

If a couple of adults can’t take control of the situation, what do you think the cops are going to do when they show up?

[quote]Remember that these ‘kids’ committed forceable entry – technically B&E, misdemeanor to felony vandalism, theft, and underage drinking.[/quote]

Yep, and you just called the cops on them.

[quote]If the individuals were under 18 at time of offense, their record gets sealed at 18. With some of them, meeting police may wake them up.[/quote]

How many seventeen-year-old felons are going to get into college? The justice system will easily make a mess of their lives. Once the cuffs go on – and cops always arrest – their life is going to be a mess.

Two adults could clear the house without the potential overreaction that the cops would bring. Just use some leadership: find a few responsible kids in the group that know they’ve crossed the line, make it clear that calling the cops will show up if don’t comply, divide and conquer, delegate…

Or call the cops and let them decide what happens in your home.

[quote]Are your children teenagers – particularly late teen?[/quote]

Sounds like you are. Remember, if there’s 100 kids at that party there’s a good chance one of them could be yours. When the cops start arresting everyone (and they will, I’ve seen it happen) one of the kids with a criminal record will may be yours. It doesn’t matter if they are committed a felony or not, maybe they just followed their friends into the front door.

Now where’s that thread about how hard it is to get into a UC school?

I’ll stand by my position and what I teach my kids: Cops almost never make a situation better. These days, they often make it far worse.

[spdrun]

^^^
Exactly.

As far as those kinds of parties, didn’t most people have AOL in the 90s growing up? Random parties got advertised via AOL messages or just by people calling each other/talking in person.

Word got around even before Facebook/Snapchat/Whatsapp.

[treehugger]

This happened to my neighbors a few years ago. Parents went out to dinner and told 15 year old daughter she could have some friends over “un-chaperoned”. Word went out on social media and it was massive number of kids showed up. Another neighbor called the parents, the response was, “oh, it is ok, we told her she could have a party, mind your own business”.

Girl called the cops on her own party, some other neighbors may have called cops also, but no one ever admitted it. We stood in our driveway and watched cops herd huge numbers of kids outta that house….cars were parked up and down the street and kids were piling in, pretty sure there was drinking and drunk driving going on. Cops were not stopping kids AT ALL, just getting them the hell outta our neighborhood. I think there were several hundred kids, craziest thing I have ever seen.

Last year different neighbor girl had her 16th bday party. They are Mormon and “not supposed to drink” another neighbor stood out front with her English Mastiff and if she saw kids coming in with alcohol or looking suspicious she wouldn’t let them in, it was magnificent! She actually was able to stop the brother of the girl that had the outta control party trying to bust into the party with arm loads of alcohol.

[spdrun]

Cops did the right thing in not stopping drinkers (less so about drunk drivers) and sticking them with fines and records. In most civilized places, drinking age is 16 or 18, as it should be in the US.

Mormons? One step below Wahhabe fanatics in my book. I’d rather live on the South Side of Chicago than in an area infested by them. Nice, clean, polite, and abstemious, till you get into the history.

Until they had a divine revelation in the 1970s, people of color were “cursed” in their Book.

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