ot: dogs are taking over

[joec]

I suppose I have the minority view that I don’t really see neighbors or any random person as my close/good friend. Pretty much any other person in the world competes with everyone else in a world with limited resources/jobs/wealth/women/ you name it. Even with that said, you have plenty of annoying dog owners in any area that I could care less about, such as that case in the other thread of the newspaper thief, or the guy who wants to shoot you if you hurt his dog, etc…Or Kim Kardasian (who I labeled with the “C” word) who has a charity event and hypes it up, but gives a mere 10% and pockets the rest for herself as profit and gets richer…All these people, I’d take a dog (if I had one) or my laptop or my car and could care less if they bit the bucket. I suppose I understand that people die everyday and maybe I don’t feel it’s in my power to save everyone or maybe I simply don’t value ALL life as much as the next guy since I understand people die unfortunately (or fortunately)…

Perhaps I live a sad sad life, but from generally reading enough of everything, I think the survey is correct and more people are of this mindset (40% and 46% of women) than people think and most people I feel simply don’t want to admit, they will do the same probably.

Think when the shit hits the fan…You’ll see a lot of crazy, sick shit I’d think…

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=FlyerInHi]That professor’s study is like asking would you rather have a dog or contribute to end child hunger, if you had only one choice. Thankfully, we have many choices.

My own personal experience is that good dog owners are kinder people.

Also, aren’t humans eternally in search of feel good moments and flattery? All the better if a dog fulfills some of that.[/quote]

no. you are wrong. flat, dead, profoundly, foolishly, misreading, thickheadedly WRONG.

the question is not whether you will end hunger, or lose money. you wont. your dog is presumably worth nothing monetarily

you are only asked whether this thing, this animal, similar to animals you merrily chow down upon every day of the week…

(not because you must, but merely because it tickles your palate, because you like the taste of charred animal flesh, grease not unlike the grease of your dogs fat dribbling down your chin, merely because you find it satiating)

whetehr this particular animal you like is worth more than a human.

The question is; is a dog you own worth more than a man you dont.

there’s nothing about hunger or losing money, there’s no “false choice”….

dog.

man.

your plaything.

a fellow human.

no cost to you. zero loss…y

say hypotehtically youget another coupledozen dogs free, say, pick your fav, dump back the rest….probably wouldnt matter. people would still pick their own attachment to their own particular pooch.

with no monetary value.

over a living fellow human being on the planet…

im sorry. that’s cold. that’s fucked up. that’s not cool. even if the person is an asshole…but the example is NOT that the eprson’s an asshole. the question is a random person, an unknown person to you…

i mean, put yourself in the place of the parent of the random person selected. you learn some douchebag with a 12 year old half blind german shepherd elected to save her companion animal rather than your beautiful, smart, lovely 6 year old daughter. sorry, francois, your daughter, must die because i cannot bear the thought of an early separation from my dear Scruffy.

On what FUCKING planet is that ok? On what basis could one begin to justify such a choice , evern if you and your daughter are “foreigners? the question is not about a bad person and a dog, the question is about a morally unknwon person and a dog.

On what planet does the parent of the child, if all this is known, not go find the dog owner and kill them?

i could understand wanting to hold on to 100$ more than I could holding on to a dog….this self love, this affection for ones slave…i mean…it is not morally defensible…

it is based on a mass psychosis that our dogs are our freinds. theya re not…they are dogs…they sing for their meal. they do not love you…stop feeding your dog, for a month and have your neigjbor feed it tbone foramonth. see where the dogs affections lie….with the food….and the neighbor who are you again????

i despise dogs

[FlyerInHi]

It’s not about the dogs. It’s about humans.

I loved my dog because I raised her and I knew her. I don’t know the foreign tourist.

I loved my dog because she was a constant faithful companion. I loved looking at her cute face. She made no demands of me other than exercise, food and body massages.

When you have to deal with the egos of humans you appreciate dogs more. Humans are psychotic. They have insecurities and they always worry about being dissed.

I very much enjoyed the peacefulness of quiet times petting my dog.

Ok, you can puke already.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=FlyerInHi]It’s not about the dogs. It’s about humans.

I loved my dog because I raised her and I knew her. I don’t know the foreign tourist.

I loved my dog because she was a constant faithful companion. I loved looking at her cute face. She made no demands of me other than exercise, food and body massages.

When you have to deal with the egos of humans you appreciate dogs more. Humans are psychotic. They have insecurities and they always worry about being dissed.

I very much enjoyed the peacefulness of quiet times petting my dog.

Ok, you can puke already.[/quote]

you know the foreign tourist is a human being. You know your dog is a dog and you can choose from 10000 replacement dogs. You still get to keep your happy fur petting memories. Is that not enough? Must the person die so you can pat your puppy a few more times?

[NotCranky]

My parents and my golden retriever were deceased before my kids were born. Without and real grooming on my part, thave grown to consider all three of them to be ancestors. Yesterday the youngest one said that when our current dog passes, on the day of the dead, he will put flowers on his grave and that of the golden retriever….he wants to throw the flowers out on the ocean for my parents since that’s where their ashes were scattered.

It’s interesting because I am not one of those “dogs are human” people…but it does prove that you are the on who is fucked up about dogs, scaredy.

[CA renter]

As much as I agree that dogs are not equivalent to humans, they aren’t objects, either.

My mom had a friend who was saved by her dog. She went swimming in their backyard and became unconscious (seizure?). The dog jumped into the pool and grabbed her by the bathing suit and dragged her over to the steps where she kept watch over her until she came to.

There are many other stories just like this. And then there are all the service dogs out there. They are life-changing animals.

I’m not a “dog person,” per se (mostly because of the dirt, poo, and extra maintenance), but I have the utmost respect for dogs. They are incredible companion animals, and I have no doubt that many of them are fully capable of truly loving humans.

Still, I would not chose to save a dog over a human.

[EconProf]

I wish the poll had been conducted somewhat differently.
They should have asked “Would you pick your dog or a foreign tourist to live? Assume you would have to inform, in person, the family of the deceased foreign tourist whose death you are responsible for.”

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=Blogstar]My parents and my golden retriever were deceased before my kids were born. Without and real grooming on my part, thave grown to consider all three of them to be ancestors. Yesterday the youngest one said that when our current dog passes, on the day of the dead, he will put flowers on his grave and that of the golden retriever….he wants to throw the flowers out on the ocean for my parents since that’s where their ashes were scattered.

It’s interesting because I am not one of those “dogs are human” people…but it does prove that you are the on who is fucked up about dogs, scaredy.[/quote]

I accept that.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=EconProf]I wish the poll had been conducted somewhat differently.
They should have asked “Would you pick your dog or a foreign tourist to live? Assume you would have to inform, in person, the family of the deceased foreign tourist whose death you are responsible for.”[/quote]

Too uncomfortable. Better as posed.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=CA renter]As much as I agree that dogs are not equivalent to humans, they aren’t objects, either.

My mom had a friend who was saved by her dog. She went swimming in their backyard and became unconscious (seizure?). The dog jumped into the pool and grabbed her by the bathing suit and dragged her over to the steps where she kept watch over her until she came to.

There are many other stories just like this. And then there are all the service dogs out there. They are life-changing animals.

I’m not a “dog person,” per se (mostly because of the dirt, poo, and extra maintenance), but I have the utmost respect for dogs. They are incredible companion animals, and I have no doubt that many of them are fully capable of truly loving humans.

Still, I would not chose to save a dog over a human.[/quote]
true. But I still hate (most) dogs.

[scaredyclassic]

I doubt that the myth of the dog in general matches up to dog reality both in terms of how good the dog is and how much time a nd interaction actually occurs. The dog carries a lot of psychological baggage for people.

I am not mak ing sense.

Dogs mean something I don’t get currently. Being a dog hater is just a few steps up from child molest or nowadays I’d say. It wasn’t always this way.

[joec]

[quote=6packscaredy]I doubt that the myth of the dog in general matches up to dog reality both in terms of how good the dog is and how much time a nd interaction actually occurs. The dog carries a lot of psychological baggage for people.

I am not mak ing sense.

Dogs mean something I don’t get currently. Being a dog hater is just a few steps up from child molest or nowadays I’d say. It wasn’t always this way.[/quote]

This is probably because your dog just bit someone needing 50 stitches and there will probably be some insurance claim. For people who have had great dogs, the choice is very easy, especially if, say, they just got messed with in a foreign country (more hate for foreigners) or, say loss their job to outsourcing, whatever…

I think the situation just leads to feeling one way vs. the other…

[zk]

[quote=joec] For people who have had great dogs, the choice is very easy, especially if, say, they just got messed with in a foreign country (more hate for foreigners) or, say loss their job to outsourcing, whatever…

I think the situation just leads to feeling one way vs. the other…[/quote]

I’ve had two great dogs, and, yes, the choice is very easy for me. I wouldn’t for a second even consider letting a human die before either of those dogs.

I really have trouble believing what I’m hearing here. You think that the average person would blame outsourcing (or whatever) on an individual foreigner and save their dog over that person partially for that reason. The troubling part is that you’re obviously correct.

The average person is a real schmuck.

Let me ask you this, joec and flyerinhi and anybody else who would save their dog:

Say you can only save one of: your dog or a foreign tourist. You save your dog. You find out that the foreign tourist had two kids. Those kids loved him dearly. They cry every night because they miss him so much. Their lives are permanently (negatively) affected by the pain of his death and the lack of his guidance. Not an unlikely scenario at all. Would you feel you’d made the right choice? Would you feel guilty? Would you still (assuming you do now) feel that you were a moral human being? If you’re religious, do you think your god would approve? Would you lose any sleep? Would you ever think about the 12-year-old girl and the 7-year-old boy whose father you let die?

[NotCranky]

There is a huge irony here.
About a month ago you were ranting about how your 18 year old, and adult children in general, could care less about their parents and only want what they want…keep costing money….we will all become burdens at best.

Now it’s dogs vs. humans…makes no sense.
Your kid has cost and will cost way more than any dog..probably has bitten as many people as most dogs, doesn’t love you as much as my dog loves me. And I can get more for my Australian Shepard than you can for you kid and can’t get in trouble for selling him…..Dogs aren’t looking that bad.

[EconProf]

This dialogue is depressing. It reveals some people are actually willing to selfishly put thier dog ahead of another human being?? Amazing.
Fortunately, there are still a few good Samaritans here though.

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