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January 19, 2012 at 9:36 AM #736384January 19, 2012 at 9:38 AM #736386
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GuestMarkmax gets second place.
How appropriate.
Maybe Romney will decide not to claim his prize also.
There’s still hope!
(Am I in the wrong thread?)
January 19, 2012 at 9:44 AM #736388Guest[quote=AN]I don’t know if the guys at NSA is anymore qualified in digital security than the guys at Norton, Symantec, and other digital security software companies.[/quote]
I think the NSA has a handful of the very best mathematicians surrounded by an army of mediocre bureaucrats collecting “middle class welfare.”
…or, based on sdr’s numbers, likely “upper-middle class welfare.”
January 19, 2012 at 9:48 AM #736390an
Participant[quote=pri_dk][quote=AN]I don’t know if the guys at NSA is anymore qualified in digital security than the guys at Norton, Symantec, and other digital security software companies.[/quote]
I think the NSA has a handful of the very best mathematicians surrounded by an army of mediocre bureaucrats collecting “middle class welfare.”
…or, based on sdr’s numbers, likely “upper-middle class welfare.”[/quote]
But I have to believe these digital security firms also have at least a handful of the very best mathematicians as well. After all, their software are being used by many many companies. If they don’t have the best working for them, then they wouldn’t survive, right?January 19, 2012 at 9:57 AM #736392GuestI think FSD changed his guess after you posted the number. Look at the time of his entry:
Submitted by FormerSanDiegan on January 17, 2012 – 11:14am.
$ 253,897.13January 19, 2012 at 10:07 AM #736393sdrealtor
ParticipantAhhh!! I did not see that. We have a new winner. Markmax claim your prize.
January 19, 2012 at 10:10 AM #736394GuestHilarious!
Will Mitt Romney get caught cheating also!?!?
Could this be a sign of things to come?
January 19, 2012 at 10:56 AM #736402UCGal
Participant[quote=legallyblue]I think FSD changed his guess after you posted the number. Look at the time of his entry:
Submitted by FormerSanDiegan on January 17, 2012 – 11:14am.
$ 253,897.13[/quote]
Interesting that someone created a login identity just to point this out.January 19, 2012 at 11:05 AM #736404zzz
Participant[quote=CA renter]Public employees tend to be the most qualified employees in their respective fields. Of course they expect to be compensated for it.
That being said, most public employees are exceptionally good workers, and are very dilligent when it comes to their jobs.
In the fields I’m familiar with, “highest qualified” would mean those with the highest/best/most-specific-to-the-job degrees, the most experience in that particular field, and those who score at the top of the aptitude and/or psychological and/or physical agility tests.
Unlike the public sector, getting “banker/CEO” jobs in the private sector depends much more on how well-connected you are rather than how capable you are. [/quote]
You bave really drank the government kool-aid or have low standards for what you deem to be “highest qualified” because your statements above are just not true of MANY government workers.
They are not the best educated- I know MANY government workers personally who do not have college degrees, who are in management and get paid very well. They have told me many stories about their lazy coworkers, those who are out sick a lot but really aren’t sick, those who really should have been fired or forced to retire, but are just sitting around on their arses waiting to get their max pensions. They have countdowns on their days left till they get their fat juicy pensions.
One friend will not leave the public sector because they cannot get a management job in a comparable private sector job without a college degree and they definitely cannot get paid what they make. AND because of the benefits, never ever would find those benefits in the private sector- straight from their mouth.
I have a friend who worked in government and went to the private sector and is going back to government. Guess why? Because he can get paid MORE by government, work less, and get better benefits.
As to your comment about getting jobs because you are connected, oh my, please don’t be so naive about how the world works… Life is about being connected, the rich are connected, the powerful are connected. Do you think top level government officials get their jobs because they are not well connected, because they don’t play politics, because they haven’t kissed someone’s ass, or done favors, or gone drinking with the right people? Please, wake up and realize that government employees are no better than private sector workers.
In some cases, they are the same, in others they are better, but in a lot of others, they are downright awful but don’t get fired. I think the issue most people have with government workers is not with the ones that are good, or even the same, but the ones that are lazy, stupid, and incompetent and do not get fired. OH and yeah, their ridiculous pensions.
January 19, 2012 at 12:16 PM #736416ParticipantGood point. Nowhere is nepotism more prevalent than in government jobs. Don’t believe it? Watch all the job changes and appointments as playoffs when a new politician takes office.
January 19, 2012 at 12:27 PM #736418January 19, 2012 at 1:07 PM #736422briansd1
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FWIW, my mom was a volunteer librarian and never met any of the resistance you’ve mentioned here.
[/quote]In what capacity was she a volunteer librarian? Was she out front sharing her knowledge with customers of was she treated like a teenager replacing books on stacks?
These days, you need certification this and that to be a librarian; but in reality you just need to be well-read and knowledgeable and a variety of subjects.
Localities are cutting library hours and closing libraries. I’m not seeing community outreach to replace those library hours.
[quote=CA renter]
We get into the “volunteer firefighter” discussion in this thread on pages 7-9.http://piggington.com/ot_public_pay_amp_benefits?page=6%5B/quote%5D
“for your safety” and “for our protection” are just code for “pay me while I tell you what to do, the way I want it done.”
That applies in the public and well as private sectors when there’s a captive audience from which you can make money.
A nurse practitioner can’t prescribe a cold remedy “for your protection”; you need to see the MD. What they don’t tell you is “by the way, that’ll cost twice as much thanks to the barriers to entry that protect the establishment.”
January 19, 2012 at 3:50 PM #736438CA renter
Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=CA renter]
FWIW, my mom was a volunteer librarian and never met any of the resistance you’ve mentioned here.
[/quote]In what capacity was she a volunteer librarian? Was she out front sharing her knowledge with customers of was she treated like a teenager replacing books on stacks?
These days, you need certification this and that to be a librarian; but in reality you just need to be well-read and knowledgeable and a variety of subjects.
Localities are cutting library hours and closing libraries. I’m not seeing community outreach to replace those library hours.
[quote=CA renter]
We get into the “volunteer firefighter” discussion in this thread on pages 7-9.http://piggington.com/ot_public_pay_amp_benefits?page=6%5B/quote%5D
“for your safety” and “for our protection” are just code for “pay me while I tell you what to do, the way I want it done.”
That applies in the public and well as private sectors when there’s a captive audience from which you can make money.
A nurse practitioner can’t prescribe a cold remedy “for your protection”; you need to see the MD. What they don’t tell you is “by the way, that’ll cost twice as much thanks to the barriers to entry that protect the establishment.”[/quote]
She did both, replacing books and checking people out/answering questions.
Regarding the volunteer firefighting, you clearly didn’t read the thread I linked. I’m not talking about “for your protection.” Research the stats for yourself if you don’t believe me.
January 19, 2012 at 3:53 PM #736439ParticipantAhhhh…..she replaced books and checked people out “In the good old days”
January 19, 2012 at 3:55 PM #736440Participant[quote=pri_dk][quote=sdrealtor]As soon as the word risk comes up, she automatically takes it to mean financial derivitive engineers and their ilk on Wall Street. I beleive in the capitalistic ideals this country was founded on. That taking risk with ones time and money to innovate is what should be rewarded. Instead of going to work with ATT (pre-privatization/break up of Baby Bells) that could mean joining a start-up in SD called QCOM not knowing if you would have a job next month. It could mean taking a job at a biotech start-up working on a cancer drug instead of working for the state toxicology lab. It could mean going to college and med school (most dont make it) instead of becoming an EMT. It could mean opening a new restaurant like Panera Bread instead of working as a cook at the employee cafeteria in the County Services building. When people take risk like that they more often than not fail and those that succeed should be rewarded. That is how innovation and progress occurs. That is what made this country great and will keep it great instead of being another failed Socialist regime like the USSR, East Germany etc.[/quote]
Well said.[/quote]
No, the kind of “risks” people are referring to when they talk about the risk-takers who’ve improved the quality of life, made things more efficient, and increased productivity are the ones who come up with their own ideas and/or the ones who finance them directly.
Going to work for a private company vs a public company as an employee doesn’t count.
If you want to do some research (which so many here seem incapable of), dig deeper into where the funding for the vast majority of basic research comes from. It’s not the private market and the high-paid risk-takers who are taking the greatest risks. It comes from taxpayers in almost every case.
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