OT: Choose my new (used) car.

[ibjames]

I second the mazda 3

I have one.. has leather seats, steering wheel, shifter. Sport shifting auto, auto climate, wipers, headlights, led tails, xenon headlights and seat heaters. They all have steering wheel mounted controls.

2.3 moves nicely, I really like this car, you can get them for good prices also

As far as I know, it has very good reliability and consumer satisfaction also

There are kits for their radios out that allow you to use a usb key to simulate your 6 disk cd player. You get 99 tracks per CD, pretty nice!

[Coronita]

[quote=sdduuuude]FLU – good info. No interest in a turbo. Agree there. More interested in something that’ll last with decent styling – not real sporty, just psuedo-sporty, if you know what I mean. Are all WRX turbocharged ? Didn’t know that. No opposition to FWD. Acura is an interesting direction. I’ll check into some of those.

[/quote]

Yes WRX’s are turboed, the WRX-STi is turboed and on steroids. Both are considered hooligan cars, as well as the Mitisubishi Evolution.

You know if you want something cheaper, with decent mileage and decent reliability, I’d get the RSX (if you stretch, perhaps you can find a type-s). People seem to love mazda 3, I have no comment there. You could consider a miata (plenty of mods there, and good handling).

Do you plan to keep the car stock, or plan to mod the crap out of it, or something in between? That can make a huge difference. The nice thing about something like the RSX, is parts for it is cheap since a good portion of the parts are shared across honda’s product line. There might be limits on what kind of mods you can find for a Mazda 3 (I don’t follow Mazda 3’s closely, so wouldn’t be able to tell you).

If you are the tinker kind, you can get a good ole american mustang GT. I saw a lot of the GT’s were being sold for $15k…That is if you don’t mind the V-8’s gas mileage. It’s not a bad car…It’s pretty fun…(Got a ticket in boston driving one. Thankfully, it’s not on my CA record).

I wouldn’t get a lexus unless you can get a discounted IS (recent generation), too plushy of a car for most people that want something sporty.

[Coronita]

[quote=sdduuuude]FLU – good info. No interest in a turbo. Agree there. More interested in something that’ll last with decent styling – not real sporty, just psuedo-sporty, if you know what I mean. Are all WRX turbocharged ? Didn’t know that. No opposition to FWD. Acura is an interesting direction. I’ll check into some of those.

[/quote]

Yes WRX’s are turboed, the WRX-STi is turboed and on steroids. Both are considered hooligan cars, as well as the Mitisubishi Evolution.

You know if you want something cheaper, with decent mileage and decent reliability, I’d get the RSX (if you stretch, perhaps you can find a type-s). People seem to love mazda 3, I have no comment there. You could consider a miata (plenty of mods there, and good handling).

Do you plan to keep the car stock, or plan to mod the crap out of it, or something in between? That can make a huge difference. The nice thing about something like the RSX, is parts for it is cheap since a good portion of the parts are shared across honda’s product line. There might be limits on what kind of mods you can find for a Mazda 3 (I don’t follow Mazda 3’s closely, so wouldn’t be able to tell you).

If you are the tinker kind, you can get a good ole american mustang GT. I saw a lot of the GT’s were being sold for $15k…That is if you don’t mind the V-8’s gas mileage. It’s not a bad car…It’s pretty fun…(Got a ticket in boston driving one. Thankfully, it’s not on my CA record).

I wouldn’t get a lexus unless you can get a discounted IS (recent generation), too plushy of a car for most people that want something sporty.

[Coronita]

[quote=sdduuuude]FLU – good info. No interest in a turbo. Agree there. More interested in something that’ll last with decent styling – not real sporty, just psuedo-sporty, if you know what I mean. Are all WRX turbocharged ? Didn’t know that. No opposition to FWD. Acura is an interesting direction. I’ll check into some of those.

[/quote]

Yes WRX’s are turboed, the WRX-STi is turboed and on steroids. Both are considered hooligan cars, as well as the Mitisubishi Evolution.

You know if you want something cheaper, with decent mileage and decent reliability, I’d get the RSX (if you stretch, perhaps you can find a type-s). People seem to love mazda 3, I have no comment there. You could consider a miata (plenty of mods there, and good handling).

Do you plan to keep the car stock, or plan to mod the crap out of it, or something in between? That can make a huge difference. The nice thing about something like the RSX, is parts for it is cheap since a good portion of the parts are shared across honda’s product line. There might be limits on what kind of mods you can find for a Mazda 3 (I don’t follow Mazda 3’s closely, so wouldn’t be able to tell you).

If you are the tinker kind, you can get a good ole american mustang GT. I saw a lot of the GT’s were being sold for $15k…That is if you don’t mind the V-8’s gas mileage. It’s not a bad car…It’s pretty fun…(Got a ticket in boston driving one. Thankfully, it’s not on my CA record).

I wouldn’t get a lexus unless you can get a discounted IS (recent generation), too plushy of a car for most people that want something sporty.

[Coronita]

[quote=sdduuuude]FLU – good info. No interest in a turbo. Agree there. More interested in something that’ll last with decent styling – not real sporty, just psuedo-sporty, if you know what I mean. Are all WRX turbocharged ? Didn’t know that. No opposition to FWD. Acura is an interesting direction. I’ll check into some of those.

[/quote]

Yes WRX’s are turboed, the WRX-STi is turboed and on steroids. Both are considered hooligan cars, as well as the Mitisubishi Evolution.

You know if you want something cheaper, with decent mileage and decent reliability, I’d get the RSX (if you stretch, perhaps you can find a type-s). People seem to love mazda 3, I have no comment there. You could consider a miata (plenty of mods there, and good handling).

Do you plan to keep the car stock, or plan to mod the crap out of it, or something in between? That can make a huge difference. The nice thing about something like the RSX, is parts for it is cheap since a good portion of the parts are shared across honda’s product line. There might be limits on what kind of mods you can find for a Mazda 3 (I don’t follow Mazda 3’s closely, so wouldn’t be able to tell you).

If you are the tinker kind, you can get a good ole american mustang GT. I saw a lot of the GT’s were being sold for $15k…That is if you don’t mind the V-8’s gas mileage. It’s not a bad car…It’s pretty fun…(Got a ticket in boston driving one. Thankfully, it’s not on my CA record).

I wouldn’t get a lexus unless you can get a discounted IS (recent generation), too plushy of a car for most people that want something sporty.

[Coronita]

[quote=sdduuuude]FLU – good info. No interest in a turbo. Agree there. More interested in something that’ll last with decent styling – not real sporty, just psuedo-sporty, if you know what I mean. Are all WRX turbocharged ? Didn’t know that. No opposition to FWD. Acura is an interesting direction. I’ll check into some of those.

[/quote]

Yes WRX’s are turboed, the WRX-STi is turboed and on steroids. Both are considered hooligan cars, as well as the Mitisubishi Evolution.

You know if you want something cheaper, with decent mileage and decent reliability, I’d get the RSX (if you stretch, perhaps you can find a type-s). People seem to love mazda 3, I have no comment there. You could consider a miata (plenty of mods there, and good handling).

Do you plan to keep the car stock, or plan to mod the crap out of it, or something in between? That can make a huge difference. The nice thing about something like the RSX, is parts for it is cheap since a good portion of the parts are shared across honda’s product line. There might be limits on what kind of mods you can find for a Mazda 3 (I don’t follow Mazda 3’s closely, so wouldn’t be able to tell you).

If you are the tinker kind, you can get a good ole american mustang GT. I saw a lot of the GT’s were being sold for $15k…That is if you don’t mind the V-8’s gas mileage. It’s not a bad car…It’s pretty fun…(Got a ticket in boston driving one. Thankfully, it’s not on my CA record).

I wouldn’t get a lexus unless you can get a discounted IS (recent generation), too plushy of a car for most people that want something sporty.

[Coronita]

[quote=esmith][quote=sdduuuude]Porshe Boxter for 21K ?! Seems low. Weren’t these $60K new ? It meets none of my requirements, but it’s tempting.

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cto/991433377.html

[/quote]

MSRP was starting at 50K new. Might as well add 4-6K and get a 2001 911 cabriolet. There’s one on eBay right now with 42k miles and buyout price $26,991.

I wouldn’t get an early Boxster. They are quite underpowered. If you can drive stick, for the price of a 2001 Boxster you can get a 2005 (maybe 06) S2000, which is equally fun and worlds apart in terms of reliability and maintenance costs.

How about BMW M3 E46? They really took a dive b/c of the spike in gas prices and the competition from new 335i. 2003 M3 could be found for high teens.[/quote]

Any european car without the factory paid maintanance will be a $$$$$ to maintain unless you plan on DYI.

Boxster is a nice idea until i suppose you need to get major service done.Even wonder how you’re going to change the spark plugs yourself? Um…yeah, then it hits you. Ouch, $$$$….
Let me tell you, audi’s/vw’s aren’t fun to work on…Classic example of overengineering and nothing is placed for the convenience of the mechanic. Example, they decided to stick the fuel filter right underneath the rear end of the car, so to do it right, you technically need to drop your rear exhaust off the exhaust hangers to do it. Some of us cut our own custom tools to get into the tight space… (Of course, german car manufacturer’s also love to use bolts like “tripple squares”, things that most people don’t know about let alone find a local tool store to stock…I guess that’s why several of these german cars now say “lifetime” fuel filter, extended life spark plugs,etc. um,,,yeah right… Basically, it’s a roulette game…Most people don’t keep their cars for “lifetime”. Buying used, you get to play the roulette game.

Of course you could abuse your car, and neglect maintanance. But my motto has always been, do it right, or go home.

[Coronita]

[quote=esmith][quote=sdduuuude]Porshe Boxter for 21K ?! Seems low. Weren’t these $60K new ? It meets none of my requirements, but it’s tempting.

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cto/991433377.html

[/quote]

MSRP was starting at 50K new. Might as well add 4-6K and get a 2001 911 cabriolet. There’s one on eBay right now with 42k miles and buyout price $26,991.

I wouldn’t get an early Boxster. They are quite underpowered. If you can drive stick, for the price of a 2001 Boxster you can get a 2005 (maybe 06) S2000, which is equally fun and worlds apart in terms of reliability and maintenance costs.

How about BMW M3 E46? They really took a dive b/c of the spike in gas prices and the competition from new 335i. 2003 M3 could be found for high teens.[/quote]

Any european car without the factory paid maintanance will be a $$$$$ to maintain unless you plan on DYI.

Boxster is a nice idea until i suppose you need to get major service done.Even wonder how you’re going to change the spark plugs yourself? Um…yeah, then it hits you. Ouch, $$$$….
Let me tell you, audi’s/vw’s aren’t fun to work on…Classic example of overengineering and nothing is placed for the convenience of the mechanic. Example, they decided to stick the fuel filter right underneath the rear end of the car, so to do it right, you technically need to drop your rear exhaust off the exhaust hangers to do it. Some of us cut our own custom tools to get into the tight space… (Of course, german car manufacturer’s also love to use bolts like “tripple squares”, things that most people don’t know about let alone find a local tool store to stock…I guess that’s why several of these german cars now say “lifetime” fuel filter, extended life spark plugs,etc. um,,,yeah right… Basically, it’s a roulette game…Most people don’t keep their cars for “lifetime”. Buying used, you get to play the roulette game.

Of course you could abuse your car, and neglect maintanance. But my motto has always been, do it right, or go home.

[Coronita]

[quote=esmith][quote=sdduuuude]Porshe Boxter for 21K ?! Seems low. Weren’t these $60K new ? It meets none of my requirements, but it’s tempting.

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cto/991433377.html

[/quote]

MSRP was starting at 50K new. Might as well add 4-6K and get a 2001 911 cabriolet. There’s one on eBay right now with 42k miles and buyout price $26,991.

I wouldn’t get an early Boxster. They are quite underpowered. If you can drive stick, for the price of a 2001 Boxster you can get a 2005 (maybe 06) S2000, which is equally fun and worlds apart in terms of reliability and maintenance costs.

How about BMW M3 E46? They really took a dive b/c of the spike in gas prices and the competition from new 335i. 2003 M3 could be found for high teens.[/quote]

Any european car without the factory paid maintanance will be a $$$$$ to maintain unless you plan on DYI.

Boxster is a nice idea until i suppose you need to get major service done.Even wonder how you’re going to change the spark plugs yourself? Um…yeah, then it hits you. Ouch, $$$$….
Let me tell you, audi’s/vw’s aren’t fun to work on…Classic example of overengineering and nothing is placed for the convenience of the mechanic. Example, they decided to stick the fuel filter right underneath the rear end of the car, so to do it right, you technically need to drop your rear exhaust off the exhaust hangers to do it. Some of us cut our own custom tools to get into the tight space… (Of course, german car manufacturer’s also love to use bolts like “tripple squares”, things that most people don’t know about let alone find a local tool store to stock…I guess that’s why several of these german cars now say “lifetime” fuel filter, extended life spark plugs,etc. um,,,yeah right… Basically, it’s a roulette game…Most people don’t keep their cars for “lifetime”. Buying used, you get to play the roulette game.

Of course you could abuse your car, and neglect maintanance. But my motto has always been, do it right, or go home.

[Coronita]

[quote=esmith][quote=sdduuuude]Porshe Boxter for 21K ?! Seems low. Weren’t these $60K new ? It meets none of my requirements, but it’s tempting.

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cto/991433377.html

[/quote]

MSRP was starting at 50K new. Might as well add 4-6K and get a 2001 911 cabriolet. There’s one on eBay right now with 42k miles and buyout price $26,991.

I wouldn’t get an early Boxster. They are quite underpowered. If you can drive stick, for the price of a 2001 Boxster you can get a 2005 (maybe 06) S2000, which is equally fun and worlds apart in terms of reliability and maintenance costs.

How about BMW M3 E46? They really took a dive b/c of the spike in gas prices and the competition from new 335i. 2003 M3 could be found for high teens.[/quote]

Any european car without the factory paid maintanance will be a $$$$$ to maintain unless you plan on DYI.

Boxster is a nice idea until i suppose you need to get major service done.Even wonder how you’re going to change the spark plugs yourself? Um…yeah, then it hits you. Ouch, $$$$….
Let me tell you, audi’s/vw’s aren’t fun to work on…Classic example of overengineering and nothing is placed for the convenience of the mechanic. Example, they decided to stick the fuel filter right underneath the rear end of the car, so to do it right, you technically need to drop your rear exhaust off the exhaust hangers to do it. Some of us cut our own custom tools to get into the tight space… (Of course, german car manufacturer’s also love to use bolts like “tripple squares”, things that most people don’t know about let alone find a local tool store to stock…I guess that’s why several of these german cars now say “lifetime” fuel filter, extended life spark plugs,etc. um,,,yeah right… Basically, it’s a roulette game…Most people don’t keep their cars for “lifetime”. Buying used, you get to play the roulette game.

Of course you could abuse your car, and neglect maintanance. But my motto has always been, do it right, or go home.

[Coronita]

[quote=esmith][quote=sdduuuude]Porshe Boxter for 21K ?! Seems low. Weren’t these $60K new ? It meets none of my requirements, but it’s tempting.

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cto/991433377.html

[/quote]

MSRP was starting at 50K new. Might as well add 4-6K and get a 2001 911 cabriolet. There’s one on eBay right now with 42k miles and buyout price $26,991.

I wouldn’t get an early Boxster. They are quite underpowered. If you can drive stick, for the price of a 2001 Boxster you can get a 2005 (maybe 06) S2000, which is equally fun and worlds apart in terms of reliability and maintenance costs.

How about BMW M3 E46? They really took a dive b/c of the spike in gas prices and the competition from new 335i. 2003 M3 could be found for high teens.[/quote]

Any european car without the factory paid maintanance will be a $$$$$ to maintain unless you plan on DYI.

Boxster is a nice idea until i suppose you need to get major service done.Even wonder how you’re going to change the spark plugs yourself? Um…yeah, then it hits you. Ouch, $$$$….
Let me tell you, audi’s/vw’s aren’t fun to work on…Classic example of overengineering and nothing is placed for the convenience of the mechanic. Example, they decided to stick the fuel filter right underneath the rear end of the car, so to do it right, you technically need to drop your rear exhaust off the exhaust hangers to do it. Some of us cut our own custom tools to get into the tight space… (Of course, german car manufacturer’s also love to use bolts like “tripple squares”, things that most people don’t know about let alone find a local tool store to stock…I guess that’s why several of these german cars now say “lifetime” fuel filter, extended life spark plugs,etc. um,,,yeah right… Basically, it’s a roulette game…Most people don’t keep their cars for “lifetime”. Buying used, you get to play the roulette game.

Of course you could abuse your car, and neglect maintanance. But my motto has always been, do it right, or go home.

[ibjames]

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker][quote=esmith][quote=sdduuuude]Porshe Boxter for 21K ?! Seems low. Weren’t these $60K new ? It meets none of my requirements, but it’s tempting.

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cto/991433377.html

[/quote]

MSRP was starting at 50K new. Might as well add 4-6K and get a 2001 911 cabriolet. There’s one on eBay right now with 42k miles and buyout price $26,991.

I wouldn’t get an early Boxster. They are quite underpowered. If you can drive stick, for the price of a 2001 Boxster you can get a 2005 (maybe 06) S2000, which is equally fun and worlds apart in terms of reliability and maintenance costs.

How about BMW M3 E46? They really took a dive b/c of the spike in gas prices and the competition from new 335i. 2003 M3 could be found for high teens.[/quote]

Any european car without the factory paid maintanance will be a $$$$$ to maintain unless you plan on DYI.

Boxster is a nice idea until i suppose you need to get major service done.Even wonder how you’re going to change the spark plugs yourself? Um…yeah, then it hits you. Ouch, $$$$….
Let me tell you, audi’s/vw’s aren’t fun to work on…Classic example of overengineering and nothing is placed for the convenience of the mechanic. Example, they decided to stick the fuel filter right underneath the rear end of the car, so to do it right, you technically need to drop your rear exhaust off the exhaust hangers to do it. Some of us cut our own custom tools to get into the tight space… (Of course, german car manufacturer’s also love to use bolts like “tripple squares”, things that most people don’t know about let alone find a local tool store to stock…I guess that’s why several of these german cars now say “lifetime” fuel filter, extended life spark plugs,etc. um,,,yeah right… Basically, it’s a roulette game…Most people don’t keep their cars for “lifetime”. Buying used, you get to play the roulette game.

Of course you could abuse your car, and neglect maintanance. But my motto has always been, do it right, or go home.

[/quote]

they also place things like spark plugs in hard to get places, my 2000 jetta had spark plugs beneath the upper manifold that required very long extenstions and having a steady hand to get it out like your playing that doctor game.. one hit on the sides.. your spark plug fell down.. back to square one.. bloody knuckles, pissed off.. swearing.. you name it

it depends on what you are looking for. I went from wanting something sporty, to wanting something efficient to wanting something somewhat sporty/efficient..

[ibjames]

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker][quote=esmith][quote=sdduuuude]Porshe Boxter for 21K ?! Seems low. Weren’t these $60K new ? It meets none of my requirements, but it’s tempting.

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cto/991433377.html

[/quote]

MSRP was starting at 50K new. Might as well add 4-6K and get a 2001 911 cabriolet. There’s one on eBay right now with 42k miles and buyout price $26,991.

I wouldn’t get an early Boxster. They are quite underpowered. If you can drive stick, for the price of a 2001 Boxster you can get a 2005 (maybe 06) S2000, which is equally fun and worlds apart in terms of reliability and maintenance costs.

How about BMW M3 E46? They really took a dive b/c of the spike in gas prices and the competition from new 335i. 2003 M3 could be found for high teens.[/quote]

Any european car without the factory paid maintanance will be a $$$$$ to maintain unless you plan on DYI.

Boxster is a nice idea until i suppose you need to get major service done.Even wonder how you’re going to change the spark plugs yourself? Um…yeah, then it hits you. Ouch, $$$$….
Let me tell you, audi’s/vw’s aren’t fun to work on…Classic example of overengineering and nothing is placed for the convenience of the mechanic. Example, they decided to stick the fuel filter right underneath the rear end of the car, so to do it right, you technically need to drop your rear exhaust off the exhaust hangers to do it. Some of us cut our own custom tools to get into the tight space… (Of course, german car manufacturer’s also love to use bolts like “tripple squares”, things that most people don’t know about let alone find a local tool store to stock…I guess that’s why several of these german cars now say “lifetime” fuel filter, extended life spark plugs,etc. um,,,yeah right… Basically, it’s a roulette game…Most people don’t keep their cars for “lifetime”. Buying used, you get to play the roulette game.

Of course you could abuse your car, and neglect maintanance. But my motto has always been, do it right, or go home.

[/quote]

they also place things like spark plugs in hard to get places, my 2000 jetta had spark plugs beneath the upper manifold that required very long extenstions and having a steady hand to get it out like your playing that doctor game.. one hit on the sides.. your spark plug fell down.. back to square one.. bloody knuckles, pissed off.. swearing.. you name it

it depends on what you are looking for. I went from wanting something sporty, to wanting something efficient to wanting something somewhat sporty/efficient..

[ibjames]

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker][quote=esmith][quote=sdduuuude]Porshe Boxter for 21K ?! Seems low. Weren’t these $60K new ? It meets none of my requirements, but it’s tempting.

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cto/991433377.html

[/quote]

MSRP was starting at 50K new. Might as well add 4-6K and get a 2001 911 cabriolet. There’s one on eBay right now with 42k miles and buyout price $26,991.

I wouldn’t get an early Boxster. They are quite underpowered. If you can drive stick, for the price of a 2001 Boxster you can get a 2005 (maybe 06) S2000, which is equally fun and worlds apart in terms of reliability and maintenance costs.

How about BMW M3 E46? They really took a dive b/c of the spike in gas prices and the competition from new 335i. 2003 M3 could be found for high teens.[/quote]

Any european car without the factory paid maintanance will be a $$$$$ to maintain unless you plan on DYI.

Boxster is a nice idea until i suppose you need to get major service done.Even wonder how you’re going to change the spark plugs yourself? Um…yeah, then it hits you. Ouch, $$$$….
Let me tell you, audi’s/vw’s aren’t fun to work on…Classic example of overengineering and nothing is placed for the convenience of the mechanic. Example, they decided to stick the fuel filter right underneath the rear end of the car, so to do it right, you technically need to drop your rear exhaust off the exhaust hangers to do it. Some of us cut our own custom tools to get into the tight space… (Of course, german car manufacturer’s also love to use bolts like “tripple squares”, things that most people don’t know about let alone find a local tool store to stock…I guess that’s why several of these german cars now say “lifetime” fuel filter, extended life spark plugs,etc. um,,,yeah right… Basically, it’s a roulette game…Most people don’t keep their cars for “lifetime”. Buying used, you get to play the roulette game.

Of course you could abuse your car, and neglect maintanance. But my motto has always been, do it right, or go home.

[/quote]

they also place things like spark plugs in hard to get places, my 2000 jetta had spark plugs beneath the upper manifold that required very long extenstions and having a steady hand to get it out like your playing that doctor game.. one hit on the sides.. your spark plug fell down.. back to square one.. bloody knuckles, pissed off.. swearing.. you name it

it depends on what you are looking for. I went from wanting something sporty, to wanting something efficient to wanting something somewhat sporty/efficient..

[ibjames]

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker][quote=esmith][quote=sdduuuude]Porshe Boxter for 21K ?! Seems low. Weren’t these $60K new ? It meets none of my requirements, but it’s tempting.

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cto/991433377.html

[/quote]

MSRP was starting at 50K new. Might as well add 4-6K and get a 2001 911 cabriolet. There’s one on eBay right now with 42k miles and buyout price $26,991.

I wouldn’t get an early Boxster. They are quite underpowered. If you can drive stick, for the price of a 2001 Boxster you can get a 2005 (maybe 06) S2000, which is equally fun and worlds apart in terms of reliability and maintenance costs.

How about BMW M3 E46? They really took a dive b/c of the spike in gas prices and the competition from new 335i. 2003 M3 could be found for high teens.[/quote]

Any european car without the factory paid maintanance will be a $$$$$ to maintain unless you plan on DYI.

Boxster is a nice idea until i suppose you need to get major service done.Even wonder how you’re going to change the spark plugs yourself? Um…yeah, then it hits you. Ouch, $$$$….
Let me tell you, audi’s/vw’s aren’t fun to work on…Classic example of overengineering and nothing is placed for the convenience of the mechanic. Example, they decided to stick the fuel filter right underneath the rear end of the car, so to do it right, you technically need to drop your rear exhaust off the exhaust hangers to do it. Some of us cut our own custom tools to get into the tight space… (Of course, german car manufacturer’s also love to use bolts like “tripple squares”, things that most people don’t know about let alone find a local tool store to stock…I guess that’s why several of these german cars now say “lifetime” fuel filter, extended life spark plugs,etc. um,,,yeah right… Basically, it’s a roulette game…Most people don’t keep their cars for “lifetime”. Buying used, you get to play the roulette game.

Of course you could abuse your car, and neglect maintanance. But my motto has always been, do it right, or go home.

[/quote]

they also place things like spark plugs in hard to get places, my 2000 jetta had spark plugs beneath the upper manifold that required very long extenstions and having a steady hand to get it out like your playing that doctor game.. one hit on the sides.. your spark plug fell down.. back to square one.. bloody knuckles, pissed off.. swearing.. you name it

it depends on what you are looking for. I went from wanting something sporty, to wanting something efficient to wanting something somewhat sporty/efficient..

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