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November 13, 2008 at 7:59 AM #304184November 13, 2008 at 9:21 AM #303800NavydocParticipant
The really funny, and deceptive part, is how much of a deal they make of the 20 MPG city figure. This sounds so awesome to people who drive standard vehicles. They think “wow it must get like 30 MPG on the highway!”. What the ad fails to explain is that hybrid vehicles typically get significantly WORSE fuel mileage at highway speeds. Ever drive a Prius at 70 MPH? Sounds like the engine’s going to fly apart. I’ll bet this beast gets about 15 MPG on the freeway. Probably better off in the long run buying the standard version. At least it’s likely to hold up. Although considering GM quality lately, that may not even be a safe bet.
I hate to say it due to the impending job loss, but I don’t think GM’s gonna make it. Maybe not any of the other US automakers either.
November 13, 2008 at 9:21 AM #304164NavydocParticipantThe really funny, and deceptive part, is how much of a deal they make of the 20 MPG city figure. This sounds so awesome to people who drive standard vehicles. They think “wow it must get like 30 MPG on the highway!”. What the ad fails to explain is that hybrid vehicles typically get significantly WORSE fuel mileage at highway speeds. Ever drive a Prius at 70 MPH? Sounds like the engine’s going to fly apart. I’ll bet this beast gets about 15 MPG on the freeway. Probably better off in the long run buying the standard version. At least it’s likely to hold up. Although considering GM quality lately, that may not even be a safe bet.
I hate to say it due to the impending job loss, but I don’t think GM’s gonna make it. Maybe not any of the other US automakers either.
November 13, 2008 at 9:21 AM #304175NavydocParticipantThe really funny, and deceptive part, is how much of a deal they make of the 20 MPG city figure. This sounds so awesome to people who drive standard vehicles. They think “wow it must get like 30 MPG on the highway!”. What the ad fails to explain is that hybrid vehicles typically get significantly WORSE fuel mileage at highway speeds. Ever drive a Prius at 70 MPH? Sounds like the engine’s going to fly apart. I’ll bet this beast gets about 15 MPG on the freeway. Probably better off in the long run buying the standard version. At least it’s likely to hold up. Although considering GM quality lately, that may not even be a safe bet.
I hate to say it due to the impending job loss, but I don’t think GM’s gonna make it. Maybe not any of the other US automakers either.
November 13, 2008 at 9:21 AM #304191NavydocParticipantThe really funny, and deceptive part, is how much of a deal they make of the 20 MPG city figure. This sounds so awesome to people who drive standard vehicles. They think “wow it must get like 30 MPG on the highway!”. What the ad fails to explain is that hybrid vehicles typically get significantly WORSE fuel mileage at highway speeds. Ever drive a Prius at 70 MPH? Sounds like the engine’s going to fly apart. I’ll bet this beast gets about 15 MPG on the freeway. Probably better off in the long run buying the standard version. At least it’s likely to hold up. Although considering GM quality lately, that may not even be a safe bet.
I hate to say it due to the impending job loss, but I don’t think GM’s gonna make it. Maybe not any of the other US automakers either.
November 13, 2008 at 9:21 AM #304248NavydocParticipantThe really funny, and deceptive part, is how much of a deal they make of the 20 MPG city figure. This sounds so awesome to people who drive standard vehicles. They think “wow it must get like 30 MPG on the highway!”. What the ad fails to explain is that hybrid vehicles typically get significantly WORSE fuel mileage at highway speeds. Ever drive a Prius at 70 MPH? Sounds like the engine’s going to fly apart. I’ll bet this beast gets about 15 MPG on the freeway. Probably better off in the long run buying the standard version. At least it’s likely to hold up. Although considering GM quality lately, that may not even be a safe bet.
I hate to say it due to the impending job loss, but I don’t think GM’s gonna make it. Maybe not any of the other US automakers either.
November 13, 2008 at 11:22 AM #303946HereWeGoParticipantFor the Republicans reading who are desperately trying to find new memes after having banished all the thinkers from your party to the hinterlands well north of Alaska, let me give you a little help.
The question I hear from the “conservative” hoi polloi is “Who will they bailout nexxxxxt?” That’s the wrong question. The right question is “Who won’t they bailout next?” The answer is, they won’t bailout the overwhelming majority of Americans threatened with job loss, they will only provide some unemployment assistance and tax relief for retraining/education costs. Why are 250K autoworkers so important even though the majority of them, if not the great majority, would remain employed during a BK workout? Because they publicly gave so much money and support to the Dems. That’s the danger of this sort of socialism, that unsustainable businesses are maintained with taxpayer funds purely for political purposes (ethanol also comes to mind.)
November 13, 2008 at 11:22 AM #304308HereWeGoParticipantFor the Republicans reading who are desperately trying to find new memes after having banished all the thinkers from your party to the hinterlands well north of Alaska, let me give you a little help.
The question I hear from the “conservative” hoi polloi is “Who will they bailout nexxxxxt?” That’s the wrong question. The right question is “Who won’t they bailout next?” The answer is, they won’t bailout the overwhelming majority of Americans threatened with job loss, they will only provide some unemployment assistance and tax relief for retraining/education costs. Why are 250K autoworkers so important even though the majority of them, if not the great majority, would remain employed during a BK workout? Because they publicly gave so much money and support to the Dems. That’s the danger of this sort of socialism, that unsustainable businesses are maintained with taxpayer funds purely for political purposes (ethanol also comes to mind.)
November 13, 2008 at 11:22 AM #304320HereWeGoParticipantFor the Republicans reading who are desperately trying to find new memes after having banished all the thinkers from your party to the hinterlands well north of Alaska, let me give you a little help.
The question I hear from the “conservative” hoi polloi is “Who will they bailout nexxxxxt?” That’s the wrong question. The right question is “Who won’t they bailout next?” The answer is, they won’t bailout the overwhelming majority of Americans threatened with job loss, they will only provide some unemployment assistance and tax relief for retraining/education costs. Why are 250K autoworkers so important even though the majority of them, if not the great majority, would remain employed during a BK workout? Because they publicly gave so much money and support to the Dems. That’s the danger of this sort of socialism, that unsustainable businesses are maintained with taxpayer funds purely for political purposes (ethanol also comes to mind.)
November 13, 2008 at 11:22 AM #304337HereWeGoParticipantFor the Republicans reading who are desperately trying to find new memes after having banished all the thinkers from your party to the hinterlands well north of Alaska, let me give you a little help.
The question I hear from the “conservative” hoi polloi is “Who will they bailout nexxxxxt?” That’s the wrong question. The right question is “Who won’t they bailout next?” The answer is, they won’t bailout the overwhelming majority of Americans threatened with job loss, they will only provide some unemployment assistance and tax relief for retraining/education costs. Why are 250K autoworkers so important even though the majority of them, if not the great majority, would remain employed during a BK workout? Because they publicly gave so much money and support to the Dems. That’s the danger of this sort of socialism, that unsustainable businesses are maintained with taxpayer funds purely for political purposes (ethanol also comes to mind.)
November 13, 2008 at 11:22 AM #304397HereWeGoParticipantFor the Republicans reading who are desperately trying to find new memes after having banished all the thinkers from your party to the hinterlands well north of Alaska, let me give you a little help.
The question I hear from the “conservative” hoi polloi is “Who will they bailout nexxxxxt?” That’s the wrong question. The right question is “Who won’t they bailout next?” The answer is, they won’t bailout the overwhelming majority of Americans threatened with job loss, they will only provide some unemployment assistance and tax relief for retraining/education costs. Why are 250K autoworkers so important even though the majority of them, if not the great majority, would remain employed during a BK workout? Because they publicly gave so much money and support to the Dems. That’s the danger of this sort of socialism, that unsustainable businesses are maintained with taxpayer funds purely for political purposes (ethanol also comes to mind.)
November 13, 2008 at 12:01 PM #303950EugeneParticipantIs there a market for Escalades? Yes.
Can GM make good profit on Escalades? Heck yes. (Probably five figures on each one sold) That’s why they were all so bent on making them in the first place.
Do people drive Escalades alone? Yes.
Does Escalade Hybrid get better gas mileage than non-hybrid? Absolutely. (Non-hybrid does 12 mpg city)So what’s your problem?
Are you suggesting that GM should stop building Escalades and leave a niche in the market for some reason?
GM can’t compete with Japanese Big 3, because they’ve neglected fuel efficiency and build quality of their low-end cars for too long. They can retool factories, spend money on R&D, and maybe 2012 Ford Focus can soundly beat 2012 Toyota Corolla. They are getting there. 2005 Focus was a rather poor performer compared to 2005 Corolla, 2009 Focus and 2009 Corolla are very close. In the mean time, GM needs to survive. The best way they know how is by building Escalades.
November 13, 2008 at 12:01 PM #304313EugeneParticipantIs there a market for Escalades? Yes.
Can GM make good profit on Escalades? Heck yes. (Probably five figures on each one sold) That’s why they were all so bent on making them in the first place.
Do people drive Escalades alone? Yes.
Does Escalade Hybrid get better gas mileage than non-hybrid? Absolutely. (Non-hybrid does 12 mpg city)So what’s your problem?
Are you suggesting that GM should stop building Escalades and leave a niche in the market for some reason?
GM can’t compete with Japanese Big 3, because they’ve neglected fuel efficiency and build quality of their low-end cars for too long. They can retool factories, spend money on R&D, and maybe 2012 Ford Focus can soundly beat 2012 Toyota Corolla. They are getting there. 2005 Focus was a rather poor performer compared to 2005 Corolla, 2009 Focus and 2009 Corolla are very close. In the mean time, GM needs to survive. The best way they know how is by building Escalades.
November 13, 2008 at 12:01 PM #304325EugeneParticipantIs there a market for Escalades? Yes.
Can GM make good profit on Escalades? Heck yes. (Probably five figures on each one sold) That’s why they were all so bent on making them in the first place.
Do people drive Escalades alone? Yes.
Does Escalade Hybrid get better gas mileage than non-hybrid? Absolutely. (Non-hybrid does 12 mpg city)So what’s your problem?
Are you suggesting that GM should stop building Escalades and leave a niche in the market for some reason?
GM can’t compete with Japanese Big 3, because they’ve neglected fuel efficiency and build quality of their low-end cars for too long. They can retool factories, spend money on R&D, and maybe 2012 Ford Focus can soundly beat 2012 Toyota Corolla. They are getting there. 2005 Focus was a rather poor performer compared to 2005 Corolla, 2009 Focus and 2009 Corolla are very close. In the mean time, GM needs to survive. The best way they know how is by building Escalades.
November 13, 2008 at 12:01 PM #304342EugeneParticipantIs there a market for Escalades? Yes.
Can GM make good profit on Escalades? Heck yes. (Probably five figures on each one sold) That’s why they were all so bent on making them in the first place.
Do people drive Escalades alone? Yes.
Does Escalade Hybrid get better gas mileage than non-hybrid? Absolutely. (Non-hybrid does 12 mpg city)So what’s your problem?
Are you suggesting that GM should stop building Escalades and leave a niche in the market for some reason?
GM can’t compete with Japanese Big 3, because they’ve neglected fuel efficiency and build quality of their low-end cars for too long. They can retool factories, spend money on R&D, and maybe 2012 Ford Focus can soundly beat 2012 Toyota Corolla. They are getting there. 2005 Focus was a rather poor performer compared to 2005 Corolla, 2009 Focus and 2009 Corolla are very close. In the mean time, GM needs to survive. The best way they know how is by building Escalades.
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