fixation on school districts

[EconProf]

Anyone here bothered by the implications of this discussion on our future class divisions based on race and income? If the test scores now more starkly define school quality, and the savvy, higher income parents gravitate to these area, where does this leave the poorer blacks and latinos? They are stuck with the failing schools and impossible-to-fire teachers.
The NCLB program, for all its faults, at least attempted to measure performance, the first step toward improvement. The next step ought to be to both improve those measures and then implement real steps fundamentally reform ALL schools.
The real casualties here are the eager, bright inner city students and their parents who are trapped in failed neighborhood-based schools.

[sdrealtor]

sduuude,
Great Post!

Love the stabby school reference

sdr

[sdrealtor]

sduuude,
Great Post!

Love the stabby school reference

sdr

[sdrealtor]

sduuude,
Great Post!

Love the stabby school reference

sdr

[sdrealtor]

sduuude,
Great Post!

Love the stabby school reference

sdr

[sdrealtor]

sduuude,
Great Post!

Love the stabby school reference

sdr

[Coronita]

[quote=sdduuuude]

I think the people at Harvard are smart enough to recognize a smart kid from a crappy school when they see one.[/quote]

Yes, in theory. In practice,statistically, more of your students come from the not so crappy schools where there is a precedence of enrollments from there.

But like I also said, not everyone should be going to Harvard-like schools. Nor is it all what it’s cracked up to be. I know plenty of people that went to Ivy’s/Stanford/Berkeley, etc that flunked out the first year (both asians and non-asians). Imho it was a dis-service for them. And not getting into a top school isn’t the end of the world here in the U.S. (at least imho).

Now plenty of people that went to a not-so-top-ten like college that ended up at qcom like me when I started, and saying that they are doing fine is probably an understatement.

The nice thing about america is that short of getting killed and ending up in prison, if you fvck up at some point in your life or just a general fvckup, it’s generally not “over”. After all, the government does have a tendency to bailout people and institutions in messes 🙂

[Coronita]

[quote=sdduuuude]

I think the people at Harvard are smart enough to recognize a smart kid from a crappy school when they see one.[/quote]

Yes, in theory. In practice,statistically, more of your students come from the not so crappy schools where there is a precedence of enrollments from there.

But like I also said, not everyone should be going to Harvard-like schools. Nor is it all what it’s cracked up to be. I know plenty of people that went to Ivy’s/Stanford/Berkeley, etc that flunked out the first year (both asians and non-asians). Imho it was a dis-service for them. And not getting into a top school isn’t the end of the world here in the U.S. (at least imho).

Now plenty of people that went to a not-so-top-ten like college that ended up at qcom like me when I started, and saying that they are doing fine is probably an understatement.

The nice thing about america is that short of getting killed and ending up in prison, if you fvck up at some point in your life or just a general fvckup, it’s generally not “over”. After all, the government does have a tendency to bailout people and institutions in messes 🙂

[Coronita]

[quote=sdduuuude]

I think the people at Harvard are smart enough to recognize a smart kid from a crappy school when they see one.[/quote]

Yes, in theory. In practice,statistically, more of your students come from the not so crappy schools where there is a precedence of enrollments from there.

But like I also said, not everyone should be going to Harvard-like schools. Nor is it all what it’s cracked up to be. I know plenty of people that went to Ivy’s/Stanford/Berkeley, etc that flunked out the first year (both asians and non-asians). Imho it was a dis-service for them. And not getting into a top school isn’t the end of the world here in the U.S. (at least imho).

Now plenty of people that went to a not-so-top-ten like college that ended up at qcom like me when I started, and saying that they are doing fine is probably an understatement.

The nice thing about america is that short of getting killed and ending up in prison, if you fvck up at some point in your life or just a general fvckup, it’s generally not “over”. After all, the government does have a tendency to bailout people and institutions in messes 🙂

[Coronita]

[quote=sdduuuude]

I think the people at Harvard are smart enough to recognize a smart kid from a crappy school when they see one.[/quote]

Yes, in theory. In practice,statistically, more of your students come from the not so crappy schools where there is a precedence of enrollments from there.

But like I also said, not everyone should be going to Harvard-like schools. Nor is it all what it’s cracked up to be. I know plenty of people that went to Ivy’s/Stanford/Berkeley, etc that flunked out the first year (both asians and non-asians). Imho it was a dis-service for them. And not getting into a top school isn’t the end of the world here in the U.S. (at least imho).

Now plenty of people that went to a not-so-top-ten like college that ended up at qcom like me when I started, and saying that they are doing fine is probably an understatement.

The nice thing about america is that short of getting killed and ending up in prison, if you fvck up at some point in your life or just a general fvckup, it’s generally not “over”. After all, the government does have a tendency to bailout people and institutions in messes 🙂

[Coronita]

[quote=sdduuuude]

I think the people at Harvard are smart enough to recognize a smart kid from a crappy school when they see one.[/quote]

Yes, in theory. In practice,statistically, more of your students come from the not so crappy schools where there is a precedence of enrollments from there.

But like I also said, not everyone should be going to Harvard-like schools. Nor is it all what it’s cracked up to be. I know plenty of people that went to Ivy’s/Stanford/Berkeley, etc that flunked out the first year (both asians and non-asians). Imho it was a dis-service for them. And not getting into a top school isn’t the end of the world here in the U.S. (at least imho).

Now plenty of people that went to a not-so-top-ten like college that ended up at qcom like me when I started, and saying that they are doing fine is probably an understatement.

The nice thing about america is that short of getting killed and ending up in prison, if you fvck up at some point in your life or just a general fvckup, it’s generally not “over”. After all, the government does have a tendency to bailout people and institutions in messes 🙂

[Eugene]

Anyone here bothered by the implications of this discussion on our future class divisions based on race and income? If the test scores now more starkly define school quality, and the savvy, higher income parents gravitate to these area, where does this leave the poorer blacks and latinos? They are stuck with the failing schools and impossible-to-fire teachers.

The question is, to what degree do test scores define school quality as opposed to student quality?

If you take a group of poor latino students and put them into La Jolla Elementary, would they achieve much higher scores than they would in their “native environment”?

API web site gives individual scores for all statistically significant races in every school. Can you find an example of a good elementary school with a black population that scores above 800?

[Eugene]

Anyone here bothered by the implications of this discussion on our future class divisions based on race and income? If the test scores now more starkly define school quality, and the savvy, higher income parents gravitate to these area, where does this leave the poorer blacks and latinos? They are stuck with the failing schools and impossible-to-fire teachers.

The question is, to what degree do test scores define school quality as opposed to student quality?

If you take a group of poor latino students and put them into La Jolla Elementary, would they achieve much higher scores than they would in their “native environment”?

API web site gives individual scores for all statistically significant races in every school. Can you find an example of a good elementary school with a black population that scores above 800?

[Eugene]

Anyone here bothered by the implications of this discussion on our future class divisions based on race and income? If the test scores now more starkly define school quality, and the savvy, higher income parents gravitate to these area, where does this leave the poorer blacks and latinos? They are stuck with the failing schools and impossible-to-fire teachers.

The question is, to what degree do test scores define school quality as opposed to student quality?

If you take a group of poor latino students and put them into La Jolla Elementary, would they achieve much higher scores than they would in their “native environment”?

API web site gives individual scores for all statistically significant races in every school. Can you find an example of a good elementary school with a black population that scores above 800?

[Eugene]

Anyone here bothered by the implications of this discussion on our future class divisions based on race and income? If the test scores now more starkly define school quality, and the savvy, higher income parents gravitate to these area, where does this leave the poorer blacks and latinos? They are stuck with the failing schools and impossible-to-fire teachers.

The question is, to what degree do test scores define school quality as opposed to student quality?

If you take a group of poor latino students and put them into La Jolla Elementary, would they achieve much higher scores than they would in their “native environment”?

API web site gives individual scores for all statistically significant races in every school. Can you find an example of a good elementary school with a black population that scores above 800?

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