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August 5, 2007 at 12:15 PM #9719August 5, 2007 at 12:16 PM #70458LA_RenterParticipant
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The process of transforming risky mortgage loans into coveted perceived safe and liquid (“money”-like) Credit instruments has broken down on several fronts. Not only is the risk intermediation community impaired, marketplace confidence and trust in the quality, safety, and liquidity of mortgage (and mortgage-related) securities is being shattered. There are apparently serious problems developing throughout the massive marketplace for (“repo”) financing MBS. And it is precisely the market for financing the top-rated mortgage securitizations – where the perceived risk was minimal – where I suspect the greatest abuses of leverage occurred. The marketplace is now experiencing forced de-leveraging and a liquidity Dislocation – with major systemic ramifications.I mostly downplayed the marketplace liquidity and economic impact of the housing downturn last fall and the subprime implosion this past February. For the system as a whole, the Credit spigot remained wide open. My view of current developments is markedly different. I cannot this evening overstate the dire ramifications for the unfolding Credit Market Dislocation. There is today serious risk of U.S. financial markets – distorted by years of accumulated leverage and derivative-related risk distortions – of “seizing up.” A system so highly leveraged is acutely vulnerable to speculative de-leveraging and a catastrophic “run” from risk markets. At the same time, the Bubble Economy and inflated asset markets – by their nature – require uninterrupted abundant liquidity. The backdrop could not be more conducive to a historic crisis, yet most maintain unwavering confidence that underlying fundamentals are sound.
I am this evening unclear how the enormous ongoing demand for new California mortgage Credit will be financed going forward. With the market having lost all appetite for “jumbo” MBS, mortgages must now be priced generally in accordance with the standards of increasingly cautious loan officers willing to live with these loans on their banks’ balance sheets (a radical departure from pricing set by originators selling loans immediately in an overheated MBS market). And, let there be no doubt, the prospective Credit tightening will hit grossly inflated and highly susceptible “Golden State” housing prices hard – a scenario that will force lenders to incorporate significantly higher Credit losses into their loan pricing terms (perhaps Cramer was speaking to CA homeowners when he jingled house keys in front of the camera during Wednesday’s show and suggested it was perfectly rational to mail your keys to the bank). Furthermore, I expect the pricing and availability of Credit required to refinance millions of rate-reset mortgages in California and elsewhere to turn prohibitive for many. And the home equity well is about to run dry – from a combination of sharply tightened Credit conditions and accelerating home price declines.
A severe tightening in mortgage Credit is in itself sufficient to pierce a vulnerable U.S. Bubble Economy. But there is as well an abruptly brutal tightening in corporate Credit. The junk bond market has basically closed for business. The leveraged loan marketplace is in turmoil and scores (46 – see WSJ above) of debt deals have been pulled. And, more ominously, the previously booming ABS and CDO markets have slowed to a crawl. Perhaps not immediately, but it will not be long before the economy succumbs to recession.
Credit Market Dislocation now dictates the assumption that Federal Reserve liqudity assurances and rates cuts are on the near horizon. And while they will likely incite the expected knee jerk response in the equities market, I don’t expect they will have much lasting effect on our impaired Credit system. Current issues are much more complex and serious than ’87, ’98, 2000, or 2002. The dilemma today is that confidence in “Wall Street finance” has been shattered. The manic Bubble in Credit insurance, derivatives, and guarantees is bursting. The manic Bubble in leveraged speculation is in serious jeopardy. The currency markets are a derivative accident in waiting. Fed rates cuts risk a dollar dislocation and/or a further destabilizing (for spreads) Treasury melt-up.
August 5, 2007 at 12:16 PM #70533LA_RenterParticipant(cont)
The process of transforming risky mortgage loans into coveted perceived safe and liquid (“money”-like) Credit instruments has broken down on several fronts. Not only is the risk intermediation community impaired, marketplace confidence and trust in the quality, safety, and liquidity of mortgage (and mortgage-related) securities is being shattered. There are apparently serious problems developing throughout the massive marketplace for (“repo”) financing MBS. And it is precisely the market for financing the top-rated mortgage securitizations – where the perceived risk was minimal – where I suspect the greatest abuses of leverage occurred. The marketplace is now experiencing forced de-leveraging and a liquidity Dislocation – with major systemic ramifications.I mostly downplayed the marketplace liquidity and economic impact of the housing downturn last fall and the subprime implosion this past February. For the system as a whole, the Credit spigot remained wide open. My view of current developments is markedly different. I cannot this evening overstate the dire ramifications for the unfolding Credit Market Dislocation. There is today serious risk of U.S. financial markets – distorted by years of accumulated leverage and derivative-related risk distortions – of “seizing up.” A system so highly leveraged is acutely vulnerable to speculative de-leveraging and a catastrophic “run” from risk markets. At the same time, the Bubble Economy and inflated asset markets – by their nature – require uninterrupted abundant liquidity. The backdrop could not be more conducive to a historic crisis, yet most maintain unwavering confidence that underlying fundamentals are sound.
I am this evening unclear how the enormous ongoing demand for new California mortgage Credit will be financed going forward. With the market having lost all appetite for “jumbo” MBS, mortgages must now be priced generally in accordance with the standards of increasingly cautious loan officers willing to live with these loans on their banks’ balance sheets (a radical departure from pricing set by originators selling loans immediately in an overheated MBS market). And, let there be no doubt, the prospective Credit tightening will hit grossly inflated and highly susceptible “Golden State” housing prices hard – a scenario that will force lenders to incorporate significantly higher Credit losses into their loan pricing terms (perhaps Cramer was speaking to CA homeowners when he jingled house keys in front of the camera during Wednesday’s show and suggested it was perfectly rational to mail your keys to the bank). Furthermore, I expect the pricing and availability of Credit required to refinance millions of rate-reset mortgages in California and elsewhere to turn prohibitive for many. And the home equity well is about to run dry – from a combination of sharply tightened Credit conditions and accelerating home price declines.
A severe tightening in mortgage Credit is in itself sufficient to pierce a vulnerable U.S. Bubble Economy. But there is as well an abruptly brutal tightening in corporate Credit. The junk bond market has basically closed for business. The leveraged loan marketplace is in turmoil and scores (46 – see WSJ above) of debt deals have been pulled. And, more ominously, the previously booming ABS and CDO markets have slowed to a crawl. Perhaps not immediately, but it will not be long before the economy succumbs to recession.
Credit Market Dislocation now dictates the assumption that Federal Reserve liqudity assurances and rates cuts are on the near horizon. And while they will likely incite the expected knee jerk response in the equities market, I don’t expect they will have much lasting effect on our impaired Credit system. Current issues are much more complex and serious than ’87, ’98, 2000, or 2002. The dilemma today is that confidence in “Wall Street finance” has been shattered. The manic Bubble in Credit insurance, derivatives, and guarantees is bursting. The manic Bubble in leveraged speculation is in serious jeopardy. The currency markets are a derivative accident in waiting. Fed rates cuts risk a dollar dislocation and/or a further destabilizing (for spreads) Treasury melt-up.
August 5, 2007 at 12:17 PM #70459LA_RenterParticipant(cont)
A focal point of my Macro Credit Analysis has for some time been the grave risks posed to markets and economies commanded by the seductive elixir of speculative liquidity. I have compared the current backdrop to that of 1929. For too long our Bubble Economy and Bubble Asset Markets have luxuriated in liquidity created in the process of leveraging speculative securities positions (especially in the Credit market). We are now witnessing how abruptly euphoric boom-time liquidity abundance can transform to a liquidity crisis.I apologize for appearing overly dramatic. But this evening I have nagging feelings that for me recall the disturbing emotions following the terrible 9/11 tragedy. I know the world has changed and changed for the worse – yet I recognize that I don’t know how and to what extent. I fear for our markets, our economy, our currency and our system. I received an email this week on my Bloomberg that said something to the effect, “You all must be happy in Dallas.” I can tell you we’re instead sickened by what has transpired during the late-stages of this senseless Credit and specualtive orgy. The Great Credit Bubble has been pierced, and there will now be a very, very heavy price to pay. And, as always, I hope I am proved absolutely wrong.
August 5, 2007 at 12:17 PM #70535LA_RenterParticipant(cont)
A focal point of my Macro Credit Analysis has for some time been the grave risks posed to markets and economies commanded by the seductive elixir of speculative liquidity. I have compared the current backdrop to that of 1929. For too long our Bubble Economy and Bubble Asset Markets have luxuriated in liquidity created in the process of leveraging speculative securities positions (especially in the Credit market). We are now witnessing how abruptly euphoric boom-time liquidity abundance can transform to a liquidity crisis.I apologize for appearing overly dramatic. But this evening I have nagging feelings that for me recall the disturbing emotions following the terrible 9/11 tragedy. I know the world has changed and changed for the worse – yet I recognize that I don’t know how and to what extent. I fear for our markets, our economy, our currency and our system. I received an email this week on my Bloomberg that said something to the effect, “You all must be happy in Dallas.” I can tell you we’re instead sickened by what has transpired during the late-stages of this senseless Credit and specualtive orgy. The Great Credit Bubble has been pierced, and there will now be a very, very heavy price to pay. And, as always, I hope I am proved absolutely wrong.
August 5, 2007 at 12:39 PM #70463Allan from FallbrookParticipantLA_Renter: Don’t think you are. Wrong, that is. While someone of us are perceived as being overly bearish, the sobering words from a variety of sources, including Bear Stearns, would indicate that we are in for a bumpy ride.
I think the worst is yet to happen, especially when the valuation models used for CDOs, CDSs and other derivative instruments are tested in the real world. Leverage is averaging somewhere between 10x and 20x, and paraphrasing the old saying: “Leverage in reverse is a female dog”.
One thing that really strikes me when people compare this bust to the one endured during the 1990s is that the median price for a home now is probably three times higher than back then. A much greater distance to fall, especially when you have little to no equity cushion. The banks carrying these loans are going to get hit very hard when they begin the process of clearing their REO portfolios.
August 5, 2007 at 12:39 PM #70539Allan from FallbrookParticipantLA_Renter: Don’t think you are. Wrong, that is. While someone of us are perceived as being overly bearish, the sobering words from a variety of sources, including Bear Stearns, would indicate that we are in for a bumpy ride.
I think the worst is yet to happen, especially when the valuation models used for CDOs, CDSs and other derivative instruments are tested in the real world. Leverage is averaging somewhere between 10x and 20x, and paraphrasing the old saying: “Leverage in reverse is a female dog”.
One thing that really strikes me when people compare this bust to the one endured during the 1990s is that the median price for a home now is probably three times higher than back then. A much greater distance to fall, especially when you have little to no equity cushion. The banks carrying these loans are going to get hit very hard when they begin the process of clearing their REO portfolios.
August 5, 2007 at 1:37 PM #70475JWM in SDParticipantAllen, think the macro credit issues are what a lot of posters here still do not understand. I am in a very good position financially right now and the events in the past three weeks scare the hell out of me.
The candle is burning at boths as we speak and there are dimwits still coming to this site to ask about getting loans and buying overpriced property.
To all of those doubters who read this and think we are a bunch of loons. Good luck in the next 5 years suckers. Go buy a house right now and a 100%, no doc mortgage if you can still get it. Live it up now because you won’t be solvent in a few years.
August 5, 2007 at 1:37 PM #70552JWM in SDParticipantAllen, think the macro credit issues are what a lot of posters here still do not understand. I am in a very good position financially right now and the events in the past three weeks scare the hell out of me.
The candle is burning at boths as we speak and there are dimwits still coming to this site to ask about getting loans and buying overpriced property.
To all of those doubters who read this and think we are a bunch of loons. Good luck in the next 5 years suckers. Go buy a house right now and a 100%, no doc mortgage if you can still get it. Live it up now because you won’t be solvent in a few years.
August 5, 2007 at 1:55 PM #70562Allan from FallbrookParticipantJWM: While I’m self-employed now, my background is corporate accounting with a very large insurance brokerage (Willis Corroon PLC). When I was there, they were British owned and had been in business roughly 400 years (no lie). They were bought up in recent years by KKR and renamed Willis.
I offer this background because I come from a conservative discipline (accounting) and a conservative industry (surety/insurance). While I don’t profess to be an expert in finance issues, or credit or the stock market, I used to work with quite a few people from those industries and stay in contact with them to this day. By and large, every one of them is either “concerned” (on the optimistic end) or “worried as hell” (pessimistic). These are MBAs from good B-schools, accountants with Big 4 backgrounds and attorneys.
In insurance we referred to shifting liability as “passing a burning match”. This resembles a lit stick of dynamite and those in the know, both industry insiders and pundits are beginning to ring the bell – loudly.
I agree about events scaring the hell out of you. Same here and mainly because that gut instinct that tells you when things are bad, bad wrong is going off – loudly.
August 5, 2007 at 1:55 PM #70485Allan from FallbrookParticipantJWM: While I’m self-employed now, my background is corporate accounting with a very large insurance brokerage (Willis Corroon PLC). When I was there, they were British owned and had been in business roughly 400 years (no lie). They were bought up in recent years by KKR and renamed Willis.
I offer this background because I come from a conservative discipline (accounting) and a conservative industry (surety/insurance). While I don’t profess to be an expert in finance issues, or credit or the stock market, I used to work with quite a few people from those industries and stay in contact with them to this day. By and large, every one of them is either “concerned” (on the optimistic end) or “worried as hell” (pessimistic). These are MBAs from good B-schools, accountants with Big 4 backgrounds and attorneys.
In insurance we referred to shifting liability as “passing a burning match”. This resembles a lit stick of dynamite and those in the know, both industry insiders and pundits are beginning to ring the bell – loudly.
I agree about events scaring the hell out of you. Same here and mainly because that gut instinct that tells you when things are bad, bad wrong is going off – loudly.
August 5, 2007 at 3:00 PM #70497HereWeGoParticipantI wish I could disagree with some part of that post. The only aspect he does not cover is the deflationary impact on the equity markets (and probably other asset classes as well), as funds scramble to cover bond losses by selling equities (or maybe I missed that part of the post.)
I haven’t agreed with the whole “bottom up” Bear Scare scenario, but this top down thing is a big concern.
As the author implies, California real estate just took a sudden and grievous blow. The seemingly overnight precipitous shift in the availability for mortgage credit (especially jumbo) can be summed up in one phrase:
Game Over, Man. Game Over.
August 5, 2007 at 3:00 PM #70574HereWeGoParticipantI wish I could disagree with some part of that post. The only aspect he does not cover is the deflationary impact on the equity markets (and probably other asset classes as well), as funds scramble to cover bond losses by selling equities (or maybe I missed that part of the post.)
I haven’t agreed with the whole “bottom up” Bear Scare scenario, but this top down thing is a big concern.
As the author implies, California real estate just took a sudden and grievous blow. The seemingly overnight precipitous shift in the availability for mortgage credit (especially jumbo) can be summed up in one phrase:
Game Over, Man. Game Over.
August 5, 2007 at 3:00 PM #70581HereWeGoParticipantI wish I could disagree with some part of that post. The only aspect he does not cover is the deflationary impact on the equity markets (and probably other asset classes as well), as funds scramble to cover bond losses by selling equities (or maybe I missed that part of the post.)
I haven’t agreed with the whole “bottom up” Bear Scare scenario, but this top down thing is a big concern.
As the author implies, California real estate just took a sudden and grievous blow. The seemingly overnight precipitous shift in the availability for mortgage credit (especially jumbo) can be summed up in one phrase:
Game Over, Man. Game Over.
August 5, 2007 at 4:01 PM #70519POZParticipantLA_RENTER,
I am neither a PHD economist, Investment banker, nor financial guru by any stretch of the imagination and I have the same feeling in my gut. I am simply your average (non-kool-aid drinking) consumer being squeezed out of every cent. If you dont mind my asking, what is your background and experience in finance and economics that leads to make such dire predictions?
Regards,
Paulo
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