Change is in the air

[briansd1]

I agree Allan, pushing healthcare is not the answer but backing off would play to the perceptions you’re talking about.

Health care is a noble goal and we should have universal health care in America, eventually.

Obama was trying to fulfill a campaign pledge… People will blame him for trying to keep his promises or for not keeping his campaign pledges.

I don’t think that Obama predicted the depth of the recession. But here on Piggington, we knew.

His advisers though that the recession would pass like other previous recessions.

Obama should have focused on job training, unemployment, infrastructure, export competitiveness and education.

But since we went down the path of health care, then we should pass the legislation and get it done with.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Brian: Substitute “Afghanistan” for “health care”. You opined in an earlier posting that Progressives will think a problem through and then decide on the best course of action, yes?

Using that self-same logic, why on earth would Obama commit to a path that even dedicated Dems and Progressives agree is counter-productive, if not downright suicidal?

I think at this point in the game, there are enough broken campaign pledges to go around. This well (health care) has been thoroughly poisoned and you can bet the GOP will take Obama pillar to post on this issue come the midterms. I’m not supporting the strategy, mind you, but the writing is on the wall.

To your credit, you are consistent regarding incremental change and your advocacy for same. This is cram-down legislation and Obama has little to no political capital left to expend. I don’t see this ending in any way except ugly.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Brian: Substitute “Afghanistan” for “health care”. You opined in an earlier posting that Progressives will think a problem through and then decide on the best course of action, yes?

Using that self-same logic, why on earth would Obama commit to a path that even dedicated Dems and Progressives agree is counter-productive, if not downright suicidal?

I think at this point in the game, there are enough broken campaign pledges to go around. This well (health care) has been thoroughly poisoned and you can bet the GOP will take Obama pillar to post on this issue come the midterms. I’m not supporting the strategy, mind you, but the writing is on the wall.

To your credit, you are consistent regarding incremental change and your advocacy for same. This is cram-down legislation and Obama has little to no political capital left to expend. I don’t see this ending in any way except ugly.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Brian: Substitute “Afghanistan” for “health care”. You opined in an earlier posting that Progressives will think a problem through and then decide on the best course of action, yes?

Using that self-same logic, why on earth would Obama commit to a path that even dedicated Dems and Progressives agree is counter-productive, if not downright suicidal?

I think at this point in the game, there are enough broken campaign pledges to go around. This well (health care) has been thoroughly poisoned and you can bet the GOP will take Obama pillar to post on this issue come the midterms. I’m not supporting the strategy, mind you, but the writing is on the wall.

To your credit, you are consistent regarding incremental change and your advocacy for same. This is cram-down legislation and Obama has little to no political capital left to expend. I don’t see this ending in any way except ugly.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Brian: Substitute “Afghanistan” for “health care”. You opined in an earlier posting that Progressives will think a problem through and then decide on the best course of action, yes?

Using that self-same logic, why on earth would Obama commit to a path that even dedicated Dems and Progressives agree is counter-productive, if not downright suicidal?

I think at this point in the game, there are enough broken campaign pledges to go around. This well (health care) has been thoroughly poisoned and you can bet the GOP will take Obama pillar to post on this issue come the midterms. I’m not supporting the strategy, mind you, but the writing is on the wall.

To your credit, you are consistent regarding incremental change and your advocacy for same. This is cram-down legislation and Obama has little to no political capital left to expend. I don’t see this ending in any way except ugly.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Brian: Substitute “Afghanistan” for “health care”. You opined in an earlier posting that Progressives will think a problem through and then decide on the best course of action, yes?

Using that self-same logic, why on earth would Obama commit to a path that even dedicated Dems and Progressives agree is counter-productive, if not downright suicidal?

I think at this point in the game, there are enough broken campaign pledges to go around. This well (health care) has been thoroughly poisoned and you can bet the GOP will take Obama pillar to post on this issue come the midterms. I’m not supporting the strategy, mind you, but the writing is on the wall.

To your credit, you are consistent regarding incremental change and your advocacy for same. This is cram-down legislation and Obama has little to no political capital left to expend. I don’t see this ending in any way except ugly.

[briansd1]

I think that it would be equally negative for Obama to abandon health care altogether.

We should pass some kind of legislation that get us one step closer to universal health care.

It maybe end up ugly, but the Republicans will look uglier for saying “tough luck” to those who don’t have health care. If only those people would vote. They would be wise to come to their senses.

Afghanistan may stabilize enough for Obama to win reelection.

BTW, we are seeing more student activism due to the university funding cuts. Maybe they’ll vote for the party that wants to spend more on public higher education. It would be stupid for those students to vote for Republicans, unless they have trust funds to cover their education. But if those students had trust funds, they’d be going to the beach rather than demonstrating.

[briansd1]

I think that it would be equally negative for Obama to abandon health care altogether.

We should pass some kind of legislation that get us one step closer to universal health care.

It maybe end up ugly, but the Republicans will look uglier for saying “tough luck” to those who don’t have health care. If only those people would vote. They would be wise to come to their senses.

Afghanistan may stabilize enough for Obama to win reelection.

BTW, we are seeing more student activism due to the university funding cuts. Maybe they’ll vote for the party that wants to spend more on public higher education. It would be stupid for those students to vote for Republicans, unless they have trust funds to cover their education. But if those students had trust funds, they’d be going to the beach rather than demonstrating.

[briansd1]

I think that it would be equally negative for Obama to abandon health care altogether.

We should pass some kind of legislation that get us one step closer to universal health care.

It maybe end up ugly, but the Republicans will look uglier for saying “tough luck” to those who don’t have health care. If only those people would vote. They would be wise to come to their senses.

Afghanistan may stabilize enough for Obama to win reelection.

BTW, we are seeing more student activism due to the university funding cuts. Maybe they’ll vote for the party that wants to spend more on public higher education. It would be stupid for those students to vote for Republicans, unless they have trust funds to cover their education. But if those students had trust funds, they’d be going to the beach rather than demonstrating.

[briansd1]

I think that it would be equally negative for Obama to abandon health care altogether.

We should pass some kind of legislation that get us one step closer to universal health care.

It maybe end up ugly, but the Republicans will look uglier for saying “tough luck” to those who don’t have health care. If only those people would vote. They would be wise to come to their senses.

Afghanistan may stabilize enough for Obama to win reelection.

BTW, we are seeing more student activism due to the university funding cuts. Maybe they’ll vote for the party that wants to spend more on public higher education. It would be stupid for those students to vote for Republicans, unless they have trust funds to cover their education. But if those students had trust funds, they’d be going to the beach rather than demonstrating.

[briansd1]

I think that it would be equally negative for Obama to abandon health care altogether.

We should pass some kind of legislation that get us one step closer to universal health care.

It maybe end up ugly, but the Republicans will look uglier for saying “tough luck” to those who don’t have health care. If only those people would vote. They would be wise to come to their senses.

Afghanistan may stabilize enough for Obama to win reelection.

BTW, we are seeing more student activism due to the university funding cuts. Maybe they’ll vote for the party that wants to spend more on public higher education. It would be stupid for those students to vote for Republicans, unless they have trust funds to cover their education. But if those students had trust funds, they’d be going to the beach rather than demonstrating.

[danielwis]

Health care bill will pass. Its not perfect, and far from it. Conserva-dems and Republican’s skewed it strongly in favor of insurance companies. In the end, we will be left with an industry that is largely competition free, as it is today, but we will move closer toward universal coverage. Eventually, we will need to move toward single payer. The current system favors waste, abuse, provider over payment, and over treatment. That will eventually need to be addressed, and this bill does not do that.

[danielwis]

Health care bill will pass. Its not perfect, and far from it. Conserva-dems and Republican’s skewed it strongly in favor of insurance companies. In the end, we will be left with an industry that is largely competition free, as it is today, but we will move closer toward universal coverage. Eventually, we will need to move toward single payer. The current system favors waste, abuse, provider over payment, and over treatment. That will eventually need to be addressed, and this bill does not do that.

[danielwis]

Health care bill will pass. Its not perfect, and far from it. Conserva-dems and Republican’s skewed it strongly in favor of insurance companies. In the end, we will be left with an industry that is largely competition free, as it is today, but we will move closer toward universal coverage. Eventually, we will need to move toward single payer. The current system favors waste, abuse, provider over payment, and over treatment. That will eventually need to be addressed, and this bill does not do that.

[danielwis]

Health care bill will pass. Its not perfect, and far from it. Conserva-dems and Republican’s skewed it strongly in favor of insurance companies. In the end, we will be left with an industry that is largely competition free, as it is today, but we will move closer toward universal coverage. Eventually, we will need to move toward single payer. The current system favors waste, abuse, provider over payment, and over treatment. That will eventually need to be addressed, and this bill does not do that.

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