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December 9, 2007 at 12:48 PM #112329December 9, 2007 at 1:13 PM #112454HLSParticipant
What do you mean sub-2% ??
There were no 2% SP loans….
The 1%-2% PAY RATES were 7%++ loans that were neg am, and are not covered by Bush/PaulsonThere is isn’t an exact “typical” subprime loan, that was originated 1n 2005-2006.
If somebody had a 5% start rate fixed for 2 years with an interest only minimum payment, their first rate adjustment after two years (2/28 or 2/38) could be 2 points, making their rate 7%. In itself, that would be a 40% jump in interest payment.
However,
It would probably recast to a 28 year amortization, making the payment $2039 (63% higher)
OR
a 38 year amortization making the payment $1883 (50% higher)This payment would only be in effect for 6 or 12 months max, before it would adjust higher again.
Nobody will have an increase that is 100% or higher, nor anything that would be much lower than 20-25%.
The sad thing is that these loans were never intended to be a long term loan, but a short term band-aid loan.
Unfortunately the scum of the mortgage industry didn’t explain it to borrower’s that way.As of today, there are still more than 80% of subprime borrowers paying their loans. I expect this to change for the worse in many areas as rates adjust higher and folks simply cannot qualify for a refi.
December 9, 2007 at 1:13 PM #112496HLSParticipantWhat do you mean sub-2% ??
There were no 2% SP loans….
The 1%-2% PAY RATES were 7%++ loans that were neg am, and are not covered by Bush/PaulsonThere is isn’t an exact “typical” subprime loan, that was originated 1n 2005-2006.
If somebody had a 5% start rate fixed for 2 years with an interest only minimum payment, their first rate adjustment after two years (2/28 or 2/38) could be 2 points, making their rate 7%. In itself, that would be a 40% jump in interest payment.
However,
It would probably recast to a 28 year amortization, making the payment $2039 (63% higher)
OR
a 38 year amortization making the payment $1883 (50% higher)This payment would only be in effect for 6 or 12 months max, before it would adjust higher again.
Nobody will have an increase that is 100% or higher, nor anything that would be much lower than 20-25%.
The sad thing is that these loans were never intended to be a long term loan, but a short term band-aid loan.
Unfortunately the scum of the mortgage industry didn’t explain it to borrower’s that way.As of today, there are still more than 80% of subprime borrowers paying their loans. I expect this to change for the worse in many areas as rates adjust higher and folks simply cannot qualify for a refi.
December 9, 2007 at 1:13 PM #112339HLSParticipantWhat do you mean sub-2% ??
There were no 2% SP loans….
The 1%-2% PAY RATES were 7%++ loans that were neg am, and are not covered by Bush/PaulsonThere is isn’t an exact “typical” subprime loan, that was originated 1n 2005-2006.
If somebody had a 5% start rate fixed for 2 years with an interest only minimum payment, their first rate adjustment after two years (2/28 or 2/38) could be 2 points, making their rate 7%. In itself, that would be a 40% jump in interest payment.
However,
It would probably recast to a 28 year amortization, making the payment $2039 (63% higher)
OR
a 38 year amortization making the payment $1883 (50% higher)This payment would only be in effect for 6 or 12 months max, before it would adjust higher again.
Nobody will have an increase that is 100% or higher, nor anything that would be much lower than 20-25%.
The sad thing is that these loans were never intended to be a long term loan, but a short term band-aid loan.
Unfortunately the scum of the mortgage industry didn’t explain it to borrower’s that way.As of today, there are still more than 80% of subprime borrowers paying their loans. I expect this to change for the worse in many areas as rates adjust higher and folks simply cannot qualify for a refi.
December 9, 2007 at 1:13 PM #112505HLSParticipantWhat do you mean sub-2% ??
There were no 2% SP loans….
The 1%-2% PAY RATES were 7%++ loans that were neg am, and are not covered by Bush/PaulsonThere is isn’t an exact “typical” subprime loan, that was originated 1n 2005-2006.
If somebody had a 5% start rate fixed for 2 years with an interest only minimum payment, their first rate adjustment after two years (2/28 or 2/38) could be 2 points, making their rate 7%. In itself, that would be a 40% jump in interest payment.
However,
It would probably recast to a 28 year amortization, making the payment $2039 (63% higher)
OR
a 38 year amortization making the payment $1883 (50% higher)This payment would only be in effect for 6 or 12 months max, before it would adjust higher again.
Nobody will have an increase that is 100% or higher, nor anything that would be much lower than 20-25%.
The sad thing is that these loans were never intended to be a long term loan, but a short term band-aid loan.
Unfortunately the scum of the mortgage industry didn’t explain it to borrower’s that way.As of today, there are still more than 80% of subprime borrowers paying their loans. I expect this to change for the worse in many areas as rates adjust higher and folks simply cannot qualify for a refi.
December 9, 2007 at 1:13 PM #112538HLSParticipantWhat do you mean sub-2% ??
There were no 2% SP loans….
The 1%-2% PAY RATES were 7%++ loans that were neg am, and are not covered by Bush/PaulsonThere is isn’t an exact “typical” subprime loan, that was originated 1n 2005-2006.
If somebody had a 5% start rate fixed for 2 years with an interest only minimum payment, their first rate adjustment after two years (2/28 or 2/38) could be 2 points, making their rate 7%. In itself, that would be a 40% jump in interest payment.
However,
It would probably recast to a 28 year amortization, making the payment $2039 (63% higher)
OR
a 38 year amortization making the payment $1883 (50% higher)This payment would only be in effect for 6 or 12 months max, before it would adjust higher again.
Nobody will have an increase that is 100% or higher, nor anything that would be much lower than 20-25%.
The sad thing is that these loans were never intended to be a long term loan, but a short term band-aid loan.
Unfortunately the scum of the mortgage industry didn’t explain it to borrower’s that way.As of today, there are still more than 80% of subprime borrowers paying their loans. I expect this to change for the worse in many areas as rates adjust higher and folks simply cannot qualify for a refi.
December 9, 2007 at 1:24 PM #112464EugeneParticipant“What do you mean sub-2% ??
There were no 2% SP loans….
The 1%-2% PAY RATES were 7%++ loans that were neg am, and are not covered by Bush/Paulson”I’m not talking about subprime loans.
If you look at that article, on page 31 it says that 1/3 of all outstanding ARMs in San Diego County (prime and subprime) are “red rate group”, with initial interest rate below 4.0%. The question is, are all these loans neg-am, or was there anything else going on.
December 9, 2007 at 1:24 PM #112548EugeneParticipant“What do you mean sub-2% ??
There were no 2% SP loans….
The 1%-2% PAY RATES were 7%++ loans that were neg am, and are not covered by Bush/Paulson”I’m not talking about subprime loans.
If you look at that article, on page 31 it says that 1/3 of all outstanding ARMs in San Diego County (prime and subprime) are “red rate group”, with initial interest rate below 4.0%. The question is, are all these loans neg-am, or was there anything else going on.
December 9, 2007 at 1:24 PM #112349EugeneParticipant“What do you mean sub-2% ??
There were no 2% SP loans….
The 1%-2% PAY RATES were 7%++ loans that were neg am, and are not covered by Bush/Paulson”I’m not talking about subprime loans.
If you look at that article, on page 31 it says that 1/3 of all outstanding ARMs in San Diego County (prime and subprime) are “red rate group”, with initial interest rate below 4.0%. The question is, are all these loans neg-am, or was there anything else going on.
December 9, 2007 at 1:24 PM #112507EugeneParticipant“What do you mean sub-2% ??
There were no 2% SP loans….
The 1%-2% PAY RATES were 7%++ loans that were neg am, and are not covered by Bush/Paulson”I’m not talking about subprime loans.
If you look at that article, on page 31 it says that 1/3 of all outstanding ARMs in San Diego County (prime and subprime) are “red rate group”, with initial interest rate below 4.0%. The question is, are all these loans neg-am, or was there anything else going on.
December 9, 2007 at 1:24 PM #112516EugeneParticipant“What do you mean sub-2% ??
There were no 2% SP loans….
The 1%-2% PAY RATES were 7%++ loans that were neg am, and are not covered by Bush/Paulson”I’m not talking about subprime loans.
If you look at that article, on page 31 it says that 1/3 of all outstanding ARMs in San Diego County (prime and subprime) are “red rate group”, with initial interest rate below 4.0%. The question is, are all these loans neg-am, or was there anything else going on.
December 9, 2007 at 1:28 PM #112553HLSParticipantSorry,,
I hadn’t read the article before answering your question.Neg Am loans are also called ARM’s.. Pay Option Arms.(POA’s)
I’m not aware of any I/O loans that were sub 4% originated in 2005 and after….If there was anything like that prior to 2005, it would have likely already adjusted upwards.
I’ll check the article later.
December 9, 2007 at 1:28 PM #112520HLSParticipantSorry,,
I hadn’t read the article before answering your question.Neg Am loans are also called ARM’s.. Pay Option Arms.(POA’s)
I’m not aware of any I/O loans that were sub 4% originated in 2005 and after….If there was anything like that prior to 2005, it would have likely already adjusted upwards.
I’ll check the article later.
December 9, 2007 at 1:28 PM #112512HLSParticipantSorry,,
I hadn’t read the article before answering your question.Neg Am loans are also called ARM’s.. Pay Option Arms.(POA’s)
I’m not aware of any I/O loans that were sub 4% originated in 2005 and after….If there was anything like that prior to 2005, it would have likely already adjusted upwards.
I’ll check the article later.
December 9, 2007 at 1:28 PM #112469HLSParticipantSorry,,
I hadn’t read the article before answering your question.Neg Am loans are also called ARM’s.. Pay Option Arms.(POA’s)
I’m not aware of any I/O loans that were sub 4% originated in 2005 and after….If there was anything like that prior to 2005, it would have likely already adjusted upwards.
I’ll check the article later.
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