Anyone know a good divorce lawyer?

[Anonymous]

“i wonder if there is some connection to be made regarding the outsourcing of mates for males to third world countries? Where will american women choose to import their future husbands from”

As the quote goes: “American women expect a perfection from their husbands, that English women can only hope to find in their butlers.”

Foreign born women have more realistic expectations of men. Foreign men have even less ability and training towards meeting the lofty expectations of American women. I’m afraid if American women expect to be happy, outsourcing isnt going to solve the problem, only lowering expectations will help.

Luckily my wife has very low expectations of me, which im unfortunately continualy unable to meet. However, i do recognize that her abandonment of hope for my improvement dispells any nagging, her anticipation of my underachievement is what keeps the relationship positive and her realization that there isnt much of a chance for her to find a better guy keeps us together.

Im a lucky, and very happily married man to have such a wonderful, loving, understanding, patient and although disappointed, not disgruntled or bitter, wife.

So you see, im 100% happy and my wife is only somewhat happy.

Jasper

[CA renter]

Good to see we can all learn new things here:

Good wives are forever slim, beautiful, youthful-looking, kind, subservient, nurturing, never nag or raise their voices, do not expect a man to buy them dinner or park their cars or open their doors. I assume they should never ask where their husbands have been if they come home late or smell of alcohol (or anything else), and they should presumably be open to the husband getting together with “the boys” whenever and wherever he wants — and never question him or expect him to attend to any of her wants or needs if it should conflict with his.

If she bears his children (who would supposedly take his name), she should care for them in addition to working outside of the home — maintaining her elegant appearance and gracious demeanor at all times. Wouldn’t want her to be out of the work force, because she might want to lounge around the house (as housewives are inclined to do) without working AND she might expect spousal support to make up for the reduction in income-earning potential if the couple should get divorced.

Most importantly, she should be available to her husband for sex, whenever and wherever he wants, and should work hard to keep things interesting and fun (this should fit somewhere between working outside the home and taking care of the home and children). Goodness knows she should never be too tired or busy. Again, maintaining an attractive appearance and a well-stocked inventory of exciting lingerie is of utmost importance.
—————–

A good husband does not have to take any responsibility for his children or their mother in the event of a divorce, nor should he have to support his family, financially, if he and his wife decide to have children. He does not have to open doors, carry things, or concern himself with his wife’s wants or needs. He can be fat, lazy, bald, unattentive, drink regularly, and otherwise occupy himself with “manly” things like drinking with the boys, fishing, golfing, tinkering on cars, etc.

I’m trying to figure out who has the irrational expectations here…

FWIW, I think 25% of marriages could be classified as “happy” over the long haul. Even though some might not look like they’re skipping through the daisy fields, they would quite literally die without each other.

IMO, the most important thing a couple can focus on is being best friends. All the rest will fade over time. Too many people marry for all the wrong reasons (looks, money, power, social status, etc.), leading to the tremendous number of divorces as the cold reality of daily life slaps them in the face.

[CA renter]

Good to see we can all learn new things here:

Good wives are forever slim, beautiful, youthful-looking, kind, subservient, nurturing, never nag or raise their voices, do not expect a man to buy them dinner or park their cars or open their doors. I assume they should never ask where their husbands have been if they come home late or smell of alcohol (or anything else), and they should presumably be open to the husband getting together with “the boys” whenever and wherever he wants — and never question him or expect him to attend to any of her wants or needs if it should conflict with his.

If she bears his children (who would supposedly take his name), she should care for them in addition to working outside of the home — maintaining her elegant appearance and gracious demeanor at all times. Wouldn’t want her to be out of the work force, because she might want to lounge around the house (as housewives are inclined to do) without working AND she might expect spousal support to make up for the reduction in income-earning potential if the couple should get divorced.

Most importantly, she should be available to her husband for sex, whenever and wherever he wants, and should work hard to keep things interesting and fun (this should fit somewhere between working outside the home and taking care of the home and children). Goodness knows she should never be too tired or busy. Again, maintaining an attractive appearance and a well-stocked inventory of exciting lingerie is of utmost importance.
—————–

A good husband does not have to take any responsibility for his children or their mother in the event of a divorce, nor should he have to support his family, financially, if he and his wife decide to have children. He does not have to open doors, carry things, or concern himself with his wife’s wants or needs. He can be fat, lazy, bald, unattentive, drink regularly, and otherwise occupy himself with “manly” things like drinking with the boys, fishing, golfing, tinkering on cars, etc.

I’m trying to figure out who has the irrational expectations here…

FWIW, I think 25% of marriages could be classified as “happy” over the long haul. Even though some might not look like they’re skipping through the daisy fields, they would quite literally die without each other.

IMO, the most important thing a couple can focus on is being best friends. All the rest will fade over time. Too many people marry for all the wrong reasons (looks, money, power, social status, etc.), leading to the tremendous number of divorces as the cold reality of daily life slaps them in the face.

[CA renter]

Good to see we can all learn new things here:

Good wives are forever slim, beautiful, youthful-looking, kind, subservient, nurturing, never nag or raise their voices, do not expect a man to buy them dinner or park their cars or open their doors. I assume they should never ask where their husbands have been if they come home late or smell of alcohol (or anything else), and they should presumably be open to the husband getting together with “the boys” whenever and wherever he wants — and never question him or expect him to attend to any of her wants or needs if it should conflict with his.

If she bears his children (who would supposedly take his name), she should care for them in addition to working outside of the home — maintaining her elegant appearance and gracious demeanor at all times. Wouldn’t want her to be out of the work force, because she might want to lounge around the house (as housewives are inclined to do) without working AND she might expect spousal support to make up for the reduction in income-earning potential if the couple should get divorced.

Most importantly, she should be available to her husband for sex, whenever and wherever he wants, and should work hard to keep things interesting and fun (this should fit somewhere between working outside the home and taking care of the home and children). Goodness knows she should never be too tired or busy. Again, maintaining an attractive appearance and a well-stocked inventory of exciting lingerie is of utmost importance.
—————–

A good husband does not have to take any responsibility for his children or their mother in the event of a divorce, nor should he have to support his family, financially, if he and his wife decide to have children. He does not have to open doors, carry things, or concern himself with his wife’s wants or needs. He can be fat, lazy, bald, unattentive, drink regularly, and otherwise occupy himself with “manly” things like drinking with the boys, fishing, golfing, tinkering on cars, etc.

I’m trying to figure out who has the irrational expectations here…

FWIW, I think 25% of marriages could be classified as “happy” over the long haul. Even though some might not look like they’re skipping through the daisy fields, they would quite literally die without each other.

IMO, the most important thing a couple can focus on is being best friends. All the rest will fade over time. Too many people marry for all the wrong reasons (looks, money, power, social status, etc.), leading to the tremendous number of divorces as the cold reality of daily life slaps them in the face.

[CA renter]

Good to see we can all learn new things here:

Good wives are forever slim, beautiful, youthful-looking, kind, subservient, nurturing, never nag or raise their voices, do not expect a man to buy them dinner or park their cars or open their doors. I assume they should never ask where their husbands have been if they come home late or smell of alcohol (or anything else), and they should presumably be open to the husband getting together with “the boys” whenever and wherever he wants — and never question him or expect him to attend to any of her wants or needs if it should conflict with his.

If she bears his children (who would supposedly take his name), she should care for them in addition to working outside of the home — maintaining her elegant appearance and gracious demeanor at all times. Wouldn’t want her to be out of the work force, because she might want to lounge around the house (as housewives are inclined to do) without working AND she might expect spousal support to make up for the reduction in income-earning potential if the couple should get divorced.

Most importantly, she should be available to her husband for sex, whenever and wherever he wants, and should work hard to keep things interesting and fun (this should fit somewhere between working outside the home and taking care of the home and children). Goodness knows she should never be too tired or busy. Again, maintaining an attractive appearance and a well-stocked inventory of exciting lingerie is of utmost importance.
—————–

A good husband does not have to take any responsibility for his children or their mother in the event of a divorce, nor should he have to support his family, financially, if he and his wife decide to have children. He does not have to open doors, carry things, or concern himself with his wife’s wants or needs. He can be fat, lazy, bald, unattentive, drink regularly, and otherwise occupy himself with “manly” things like drinking with the boys, fishing, golfing, tinkering on cars, etc.

I’m trying to figure out who has the irrational expectations here…

FWIW, I think 25% of marriages could be classified as “happy” over the long haul. Even though some might not look like they’re skipping through the daisy fields, they would quite literally die without each other.

IMO, the most important thing a couple can focus on is being best friends. All the rest will fade over time. Too many people marry for all the wrong reasons (looks, money, power, social status, etc.), leading to the tremendous number of divorces as the cold reality of daily life slaps them in the face.

[CA renter]

Good to see we can all learn new things here:

Good wives are forever slim, beautiful, youthful-looking, kind, subservient, nurturing, never nag or raise their voices, do not expect a man to buy them dinner or park their cars or open their doors. I assume they should never ask where their husbands have been if they come home late or smell of alcohol (or anything else), and they should presumably be open to the husband getting together with “the boys” whenever and wherever he wants — and never question him or expect him to attend to any of her wants or needs if it should conflict with his.

If she bears his children (who would supposedly take his name), she should care for them in addition to working outside of the home — maintaining her elegant appearance and gracious demeanor at all times. Wouldn’t want her to be out of the work force, because she might want to lounge around the house (as housewives are inclined to do) without working AND she might expect spousal support to make up for the reduction in income-earning potential if the couple should get divorced.

Most importantly, she should be available to her husband for sex, whenever and wherever he wants, and should work hard to keep things interesting and fun (this should fit somewhere between working outside the home and taking care of the home and children). Goodness knows she should never be too tired or busy. Again, maintaining an attractive appearance and a well-stocked inventory of exciting lingerie is of utmost importance.
—————–

A good husband does not have to take any responsibility for his children or their mother in the event of a divorce, nor should he have to support his family, financially, if he and his wife decide to have children. He does not have to open doors, carry things, or concern himself with his wife’s wants or needs. He can be fat, lazy, bald, unattentive, drink regularly, and otherwise occupy himself with “manly” things like drinking with the boys, fishing, golfing, tinkering on cars, etc.

I’m trying to figure out who has the irrational expectations here…

FWIW, I think 25% of marriages could be classified as “happy” over the long haul. Even though some might not look like they’re skipping through the daisy fields, they would quite literally die without each other.

IMO, the most important thing a couple can focus on is being best friends. All the rest will fade over time. Too many people marry for all the wrong reasons (looks, money, power, social status, etc.), leading to the tremendous number of divorces as the cold reality of daily life slaps them in the face.

[Anonymous]

OK so CA renter, Im honestly trying to be positive here….(typing that, since you cant hear it in my tone)

Your email is obviously taking the piss a bit, so I’ll ask then, what is your offer?? The scenario you’ve outlined is in no way acceptable to any woman anywhere in the world….so what is the alternative medium ground??

Here’s my offer (in general, not in specific) open to negotiation…but an honest first cut:

Good wives ARE forever concerned with their appearance and how they project/present themselves to society. A smile and cheerful attitude is always beautiful, and youthful looking, regardless of how much dust might be on the bottle. Men always buy women dinner, drinks, a movie, flowers, choclate and women are always gracious and say ‘thank you’ even if they cant accept, or want to pay on their own. Men never forget birthdays, anniversaries and do smile pleasantly when the mother-in-law comes to visit. Men do come home late from being out with “the boys” and always speak of with the highest regard of their wives and children when out with said “boys”. Wives are always upset and disappointed with husband and “boys”, as she should be, when left alone and definitely pissed off if her needs are left unaided.

She bears his children, yes, which also happen to be hers as well. And yes, she retains a gracious demeanor at all times (in public). In private she can throw dishes, tantrums, mope, complain, or just the ole fashioned silent treatment. In general, the man has is say, and the woman gets her way. The work force is her choice, and whatever choice she makes is 100% supported by her husband AND if there ever is a divorce, her CHOICE (if it was) to live rent free with all the benefits of motherhood, not having to work, having the time to be with and watch her children grow, children knowing their mother loved them enough to sacrifce for them, that CHOICE is acklowledged and granted fair credence in the settlement.

Sex is a 100% option….well, except if kids are desired. Wives dont ever have to have sex with their husbands, but then, they shouldn’t be suprised if husbands stray. Women should have a reasonable expectation and understanding that things arent brother/sister, it is husband/wife. Saying “NO” 364 days a year might actually lead to an issue. Go figure. For women who yearn for drama, this is a great aveune to find it. It isnt about proper stockings or availabity, it is about attitude and compromise. And that goes for both sides.
—————–

A good husband ALWYAS takes responsibility for his children. Period. End of report. His peer group slate him otherwise. As a man, there is no way on earth one of the “boys” I drink with would ever do otherwise. Ever. Regardless of the deal he has with his wife, or job, marital staus or anything else. If a man doesnt take care of his kids, he ain’t drinking with me. No options. (alimony is a different subject entirely) He speaks highly of his wife, brags about his kids and struggles to give them the best possible options in life. Believe me, even with this rule in place, ive never found a shortage of drinking buddies. Men, in general, desprately want to take care of their kids. (always exceptions to the rule, and yes, found them too)

He carrys things, opens doors, takes off his hat, stands up when a lady enters the room, does his best to maintain a good appearance regardless if nature or good cooking have left him fat and/or bald. He can drink regularly, but this is not an excuse for acting like an a$$. He can/will go fishing, play golf, want sex, own guns, drink beer, watch/attend/play sports, look at boobs, tinker on cars, watch James Bond reruns, smoke cigars, want/or own a boat, never ask for directions, have a opinion as to why the world turns, tinker on cars some more and have friends who do the same. If he doesnt do (at least one of) those things….why exactly would a decent women want to marry him??

And this is the kicker. NO. We arent going to be best friends. We arent going to shop, watch sex-in-the-city reruns, talk about fashion, make up, hair styles, jewelery, home decor, cooking recipies, Oprah, or even gossip together about hollywood stars, sports, the people at work or anything at all. We arent going to have quality down time together, or drink lattes. she isnt one of the “boys” and I dont want her tinkering on my car or telling me which boat to buy. But i do agree, we arent together for status, looks, money, power etc.

We are here to get along, raise a family and make a positive contribution to society. To feel good about ourselves whilst being dedicated and loyal to each other in the roles which are acceptable and agreed to by each party.

My job is to provide enough money for a decent living, support a reasonable quality of life and understanding for the family. Ill mow the lawn, wash the car, replace the roof, even wash windows or do the dishes from time to time. I wont iron, and i dont expect my wife to, ill take my shirts out, but she can too. I wont cook….ever, but i dont expect her to, ever. I can throw a burrito in the microwave or pick up the phone and order pizza and crack a beer just as easily as my wife, in fact, ill crack the beer for her too.

I do expect my wife to take the best possible care of my children, protect them, teach them manners, morals, good judgement, humility and respect…AND i expect her to teach by example. She can also expect the same from me. I wont ever yell/shout at her, hit her, guilt/shame or in any way disparage/diminish her reputation/position. She is the boss of the kids. Not me. Im the enforcer. In the end, the (out of line) kids fear her, even though im delivering the justice.

And for my wife, and any future wife if this one doesn’t work out……if we end up in an enormous row, which cant be resolved through good sense, a good night sleep or independant arbitration and my wife ends up as an argumentitive, entitled, self absorbed, victim…I swear on my imigrant grandfather’s grave if we can’t sort it out and the American courts award my wife (what i feel is) more than her fair share…i’ll sell everything (donate) or burn the cash on the courthouse steps and post it on you tube before i give my money to a worthless cow.

However if my wife continues to be gracious, understanding, provides the best possible direction/enviroment/role model for my children, and one day we unfortunately cant get along….ill gladly give her the house, car, bank account to raise my family….provide as much fatherly support as possibly to my kids under such dire circumstances and strike it off on my own again from scratch.

The fact is, we’re different. We’re not the same. We have different roles and genetics. 50/50 is about respect and attitude, it isnt about money, leadership or control and it certianly isnt about roles. Men and women arent interchangeable. We arent lego blocks.

So? What is the feedback?

Jasper

P.S. And ‘subservient’ simply isnt a word i could ever apply to any woman of any race, status, or religion ive met anywhere in the world. Ive found it is a word used by women, to describe (mostly in an attempt to degrade) other women whom are more successful at garnering men’s respect.

[Anonymous]

OK so CA renter, Im honestly trying to be positive here….(typing that, since you cant hear it in my tone)

Your email is obviously taking the piss a bit, so I’ll ask then, what is your offer?? The scenario you’ve outlined is in no way acceptable to any woman anywhere in the world….so what is the alternative medium ground??

Here’s my offer (in general, not in specific) open to negotiation…but an honest first cut:

Good wives ARE forever concerned with their appearance and how they project/present themselves to society. A smile and cheerful attitude is always beautiful, and youthful looking, regardless of how much dust might be on the bottle. Men always buy women dinner, drinks, a movie, flowers, choclate and women are always gracious and say ‘thank you’ even if they cant accept, or want to pay on their own. Men never forget birthdays, anniversaries and do smile pleasantly when the mother-in-law comes to visit. Men do come home late from being out with “the boys” and always speak of with the highest regard of their wives and children when out with said “boys”. Wives are always upset and disappointed with husband and “boys”, as she should be, when left alone and definitely pissed off if her needs are left unaided.

She bears his children, yes, which also happen to be hers as well. And yes, she retains a gracious demeanor at all times (in public). In private she can throw dishes, tantrums, mope, complain, or just the ole fashioned silent treatment. In general, the man has is say, and the woman gets her way. The work force is her choice, and whatever choice she makes is 100% supported by her husband AND if there ever is a divorce, her CHOICE (if it was) to live rent free with all the benefits of motherhood, not having to work, having the time to be with and watch her children grow, children knowing their mother loved them enough to sacrifce for them, that CHOICE is acklowledged and granted fair credence in the settlement.

Sex is a 100% option….well, except if kids are desired. Wives dont ever have to have sex with their husbands, but then, they shouldn’t be suprised if husbands stray. Women should have a reasonable expectation and understanding that things arent brother/sister, it is husband/wife. Saying “NO” 364 days a year might actually lead to an issue. Go figure. For women who yearn for drama, this is a great aveune to find it. It isnt about proper stockings or availabity, it is about attitude and compromise. And that goes for both sides.
—————–

A good husband ALWYAS takes responsibility for his children. Period. End of report. His peer group slate him otherwise. As a man, there is no way on earth one of the “boys” I drink with would ever do otherwise. Ever. Regardless of the deal he has with his wife, or job, marital staus or anything else. If a man doesnt take care of his kids, he ain’t drinking with me. No options. (alimony is a different subject entirely) He speaks highly of his wife, brags about his kids and struggles to give them the best possible options in life. Believe me, even with this rule in place, ive never found a shortage of drinking buddies. Men, in general, desprately want to take care of their kids. (always exceptions to the rule, and yes, found them too)

He carrys things, opens doors, takes off his hat, stands up when a lady enters the room, does his best to maintain a good appearance regardless if nature or good cooking have left him fat and/or bald. He can drink regularly, but this is not an excuse for acting like an a$$. He can/will go fishing, play golf, want sex, own guns, drink beer, watch/attend/play sports, look at boobs, tinker on cars, watch James Bond reruns, smoke cigars, want/or own a boat, never ask for directions, have a opinion as to why the world turns, tinker on cars some more and have friends who do the same. If he doesnt do (at least one of) those things….why exactly would a decent women want to marry him??

And this is the kicker. NO. We arent going to be best friends. We arent going to shop, watch sex-in-the-city reruns, talk about fashion, make up, hair styles, jewelery, home decor, cooking recipies, Oprah, or even gossip together about hollywood stars, sports, the people at work or anything at all. We arent going to have quality down time together, or drink lattes. she isnt one of the “boys” and I dont want her tinkering on my car or telling me which boat to buy. But i do agree, we arent together for status, looks, money, power etc.

We are here to get along, raise a family and make a positive contribution to society. To feel good about ourselves whilst being dedicated and loyal to each other in the roles which are acceptable and agreed to by each party.

My job is to provide enough money for a decent living, support a reasonable quality of life and understanding for the family. Ill mow the lawn, wash the car, replace the roof, even wash windows or do the dishes from time to time. I wont iron, and i dont expect my wife to, ill take my shirts out, but she can too. I wont cook….ever, but i dont expect her to, ever. I can throw a burrito in the microwave or pick up the phone and order pizza and crack a beer just as easily as my wife, in fact, ill crack the beer for her too.

I do expect my wife to take the best possible care of my children, protect them, teach them manners, morals, good judgement, humility and respect…AND i expect her to teach by example. She can also expect the same from me. I wont ever yell/shout at her, hit her, guilt/shame or in any way disparage/diminish her reputation/position. She is the boss of the kids. Not me. Im the enforcer. In the end, the (out of line) kids fear her, even though im delivering the justice.

And for my wife, and any future wife if this one doesn’t work out……if we end up in an enormous row, which cant be resolved through good sense, a good night sleep or independant arbitration and my wife ends up as an argumentitive, entitled, self absorbed, victim…I swear on my imigrant grandfather’s grave if we can’t sort it out and the American courts award my wife (what i feel is) more than her fair share…i’ll sell everything (donate) or burn the cash on the courthouse steps and post it on you tube before i give my money to a worthless cow.

However if my wife continues to be gracious, understanding, provides the best possible direction/enviroment/role model for my children, and one day we unfortunately cant get along….ill gladly give her the house, car, bank account to raise my family….provide as much fatherly support as possibly to my kids under such dire circumstances and strike it off on my own again from scratch.

The fact is, we’re different. We’re not the same. We have different roles and genetics. 50/50 is about respect and attitude, it isnt about money, leadership or control and it certianly isnt about roles. Men and women arent interchangeable. We arent lego blocks.

So? What is the feedback?

Jasper

P.S. And ‘subservient’ simply isnt a word i could ever apply to any woman of any race, status, or religion ive met anywhere in the world. Ive found it is a word used by women, to describe (mostly in an attempt to degrade) other women whom are more successful at garnering men’s respect.

[Anonymous]

OK so CA renter, Im honestly trying to be positive here….(typing that, since you cant hear it in my tone)

Your email is obviously taking the piss a bit, so I’ll ask then, what is your offer?? The scenario you’ve outlined is in no way acceptable to any woman anywhere in the world….so what is the alternative medium ground??

Here’s my offer (in general, not in specific) open to negotiation…but an honest first cut:

Good wives ARE forever concerned with their appearance and how they project/present themselves to society. A smile and cheerful attitude is always beautiful, and youthful looking, regardless of how much dust might be on the bottle. Men always buy women dinner, drinks, a movie, flowers, choclate and women are always gracious and say ‘thank you’ even if they cant accept, or want to pay on their own. Men never forget birthdays, anniversaries and do smile pleasantly when the mother-in-law comes to visit. Men do come home late from being out with “the boys” and always speak of with the highest regard of their wives and children when out with said “boys”. Wives are always upset and disappointed with husband and “boys”, as she should be, when left alone and definitely pissed off if her needs are left unaided.

She bears his children, yes, which also happen to be hers as well. And yes, she retains a gracious demeanor at all times (in public). In private she can throw dishes, tantrums, mope, complain, or just the ole fashioned silent treatment. In general, the man has is say, and the woman gets her way. The work force is her choice, and whatever choice she makes is 100% supported by her husband AND if there ever is a divorce, her CHOICE (if it was) to live rent free with all the benefits of motherhood, not having to work, having the time to be with and watch her children grow, children knowing their mother loved them enough to sacrifce for them, that CHOICE is acklowledged and granted fair credence in the settlement.

Sex is a 100% option….well, except if kids are desired. Wives dont ever have to have sex with their husbands, but then, they shouldn’t be suprised if husbands stray. Women should have a reasonable expectation and understanding that things arent brother/sister, it is husband/wife. Saying “NO” 364 days a year might actually lead to an issue. Go figure. For women who yearn for drama, this is a great aveune to find it. It isnt about proper stockings or availabity, it is about attitude and compromise. And that goes for both sides.
—————–

A good husband ALWYAS takes responsibility for his children. Period. End of report. His peer group slate him otherwise. As a man, there is no way on earth one of the “boys” I drink with would ever do otherwise. Ever. Regardless of the deal he has with his wife, or job, marital staus or anything else. If a man doesnt take care of his kids, he ain’t drinking with me. No options. (alimony is a different subject entirely) He speaks highly of his wife, brags about his kids and struggles to give them the best possible options in life. Believe me, even with this rule in place, ive never found a shortage of drinking buddies. Men, in general, desprately want to take care of their kids. (always exceptions to the rule, and yes, found them too)

He carrys things, opens doors, takes off his hat, stands up when a lady enters the room, does his best to maintain a good appearance regardless if nature or good cooking have left him fat and/or bald. He can drink regularly, but this is not an excuse for acting like an a$$. He can/will go fishing, play golf, want sex, own guns, drink beer, watch/attend/play sports, look at boobs, tinker on cars, watch James Bond reruns, smoke cigars, want/or own a boat, never ask for directions, have a opinion as to why the world turns, tinker on cars some more and have friends who do the same. If he doesnt do (at least one of) those things….why exactly would a decent women want to marry him??

And this is the kicker. NO. We arent going to be best friends. We arent going to shop, watch sex-in-the-city reruns, talk about fashion, make up, hair styles, jewelery, home decor, cooking recipies, Oprah, or even gossip together about hollywood stars, sports, the people at work or anything at all. We arent going to have quality down time together, or drink lattes. she isnt one of the “boys” and I dont want her tinkering on my car or telling me which boat to buy. But i do agree, we arent together for status, looks, money, power etc.

We are here to get along, raise a family and make a positive contribution to society. To feel good about ourselves whilst being dedicated and loyal to each other in the roles which are acceptable and agreed to by each party.

My job is to provide enough money for a decent living, support a reasonable quality of life and understanding for the family. Ill mow the lawn, wash the car, replace the roof, even wash windows or do the dishes from time to time. I wont iron, and i dont expect my wife to, ill take my shirts out, but she can too. I wont cook….ever, but i dont expect her to, ever. I can throw a burrito in the microwave or pick up the phone and order pizza and crack a beer just as easily as my wife, in fact, ill crack the beer for her too.

I do expect my wife to take the best possible care of my children, protect them, teach them manners, morals, good judgement, humility and respect…AND i expect her to teach by example. She can also expect the same from me. I wont ever yell/shout at her, hit her, guilt/shame or in any way disparage/diminish her reputation/position. She is the boss of the kids. Not me. Im the enforcer. In the end, the (out of line) kids fear her, even though im delivering the justice.

And for my wife, and any future wife if this one doesn’t work out……if we end up in an enormous row, which cant be resolved through good sense, a good night sleep or independant arbitration and my wife ends up as an argumentitive, entitled, self absorbed, victim…I swear on my imigrant grandfather’s grave if we can’t sort it out and the American courts award my wife (what i feel is) more than her fair share…i’ll sell everything (donate) or burn the cash on the courthouse steps and post it on you tube before i give my money to a worthless cow.

However if my wife continues to be gracious, understanding, provides the best possible direction/enviroment/role model for my children, and one day we unfortunately cant get along….ill gladly give her the house, car, bank account to raise my family….provide as much fatherly support as possibly to my kids under such dire circumstances and strike it off on my own again from scratch.

The fact is, we’re different. We’re not the same. We have different roles and genetics. 50/50 is about respect and attitude, it isnt about money, leadership or control and it certianly isnt about roles. Men and women arent interchangeable. We arent lego blocks.

So? What is the feedback?

Jasper

P.S. And ‘subservient’ simply isnt a word i could ever apply to any woman of any race, status, or religion ive met anywhere in the world. Ive found it is a word used by women, to describe (mostly in an attempt to degrade) other women whom are more successful at garnering men’s respect.

[Anonymous]

OK so CA renter, Im honestly trying to be positive here….(typing that, since you cant hear it in my tone)

Your email is obviously taking the piss a bit, so I’ll ask then, what is your offer?? The scenario you’ve outlined is in no way acceptable to any woman anywhere in the world….so what is the alternative medium ground??

Here’s my offer (in general, not in specific) open to negotiation…but an honest first cut:

Good wives ARE forever concerned with their appearance and how they project/present themselves to society. A smile and cheerful attitude is always beautiful, and youthful looking, regardless of how much dust might be on the bottle. Men always buy women dinner, drinks, a movie, flowers, choclate and women are always gracious and say ‘thank you’ even if they cant accept, or want to pay on their own. Men never forget birthdays, anniversaries and do smile pleasantly when the mother-in-law comes to visit. Men do come home late from being out with “the boys” and always speak of with the highest regard of their wives and children when out with said “boys”. Wives are always upset and disappointed with husband and “boys”, as she should be, when left alone and definitely pissed off if her needs are left unaided.

She bears his children, yes, which also happen to be hers as well. And yes, she retains a gracious demeanor at all times (in public). In private she can throw dishes, tantrums, mope, complain, or just the ole fashioned silent treatment. In general, the man has is say, and the woman gets her way. The work force is her choice, and whatever choice she makes is 100% supported by her husband AND if there ever is a divorce, her CHOICE (if it was) to live rent free with all the benefits of motherhood, not having to work, having the time to be with and watch her children grow, children knowing their mother loved them enough to sacrifce for them, that CHOICE is acklowledged and granted fair credence in the settlement.

Sex is a 100% option….well, except if kids are desired. Wives dont ever have to have sex with their husbands, but then, they shouldn’t be suprised if husbands stray. Women should have a reasonable expectation and understanding that things arent brother/sister, it is husband/wife. Saying “NO” 364 days a year might actually lead to an issue. Go figure. For women who yearn for drama, this is a great aveune to find it. It isnt about proper stockings or availabity, it is about attitude and compromise. And that goes for both sides.
—————–

A good husband ALWYAS takes responsibility for his children. Period. End of report. His peer group slate him otherwise. As a man, there is no way on earth one of the “boys” I drink with would ever do otherwise. Ever. Regardless of the deal he has with his wife, or job, marital staus or anything else. If a man doesnt take care of his kids, he ain’t drinking with me. No options. (alimony is a different subject entirely) He speaks highly of his wife, brags about his kids and struggles to give them the best possible options in life. Believe me, even with this rule in place, ive never found a shortage of drinking buddies. Men, in general, desprately want to take care of their kids. (always exceptions to the rule, and yes, found them too)

He carrys things, opens doors, takes off his hat, stands up when a lady enters the room, does his best to maintain a good appearance regardless if nature or good cooking have left him fat and/or bald. He can drink regularly, but this is not an excuse for acting like an a$$. He can/will go fishing, play golf, want sex, own guns, drink beer, watch/attend/play sports, look at boobs, tinker on cars, watch James Bond reruns, smoke cigars, want/or own a boat, never ask for directions, have a opinion as to why the world turns, tinker on cars some more and have friends who do the same. If he doesnt do (at least one of) those things….why exactly would a decent women want to marry him??

And this is the kicker. NO. We arent going to be best friends. We arent going to shop, watch sex-in-the-city reruns, talk about fashion, make up, hair styles, jewelery, home decor, cooking recipies, Oprah, or even gossip together about hollywood stars, sports, the people at work or anything at all. We arent going to have quality down time together, or drink lattes. she isnt one of the “boys” and I dont want her tinkering on my car or telling me which boat to buy. But i do agree, we arent together for status, looks, money, power etc.

We are here to get along, raise a family and make a positive contribution to society. To feel good about ourselves whilst being dedicated and loyal to each other in the roles which are acceptable and agreed to by each party.

My job is to provide enough money for a decent living, support a reasonable quality of life and understanding for the family. Ill mow the lawn, wash the car, replace the roof, even wash windows or do the dishes from time to time. I wont iron, and i dont expect my wife to, ill take my shirts out, but she can too. I wont cook….ever, but i dont expect her to, ever. I can throw a burrito in the microwave or pick up the phone and order pizza and crack a beer just as easily as my wife, in fact, ill crack the beer for her too.

I do expect my wife to take the best possible care of my children, protect them, teach them manners, morals, good judgement, humility and respect…AND i expect her to teach by example. She can also expect the same from me. I wont ever yell/shout at her, hit her, guilt/shame or in any way disparage/diminish her reputation/position. She is the boss of the kids. Not me. Im the enforcer. In the end, the (out of line) kids fear her, even though im delivering the justice.

And for my wife, and any future wife if this one doesn’t work out……if we end up in an enormous row, which cant be resolved through good sense, a good night sleep or independant arbitration and my wife ends up as an argumentitive, entitled, self absorbed, victim…I swear on my imigrant grandfather’s grave if we can’t sort it out and the American courts award my wife (what i feel is) more than her fair share…i’ll sell everything (donate) or burn the cash on the courthouse steps and post it on you tube before i give my money to a worthless cow.

However if my wife continues to be gracious, understanding, provides the best possible direction/enviroment/role model for my children, and one day we unfortunately cant get along….ill gladly give her the house, car, bank account to raise my family….provide as much fatherly support as possibly to my kids under such dire circumstances and strike it off on my own again from scratch.

The fact is, we’re different. We’re not the same. We have different roles and genetics. 50/50 is about respect and attitude, it isnt about money, leadership or control and it certianly isnt about roles. Men and women arent interchangeable. We arent lego blocks.

So? What is the feedback?

Jasper

P.S. And ‘subservient’ simply isnt a word i could ever apply to any woman of any race, status, or religion ive met anywhere in the world. Ive found it is a word used by women, to describe (mostly in an attempt to degrade) other women whom are more successful at garnering men’s respect.

[Anonymous]

OK so CA renter, Im honestly trying to be positive here….(typing that, since you cant hear it in my tone)

Your email is obviously taking the piss a bit, so I’ll ask then, what is your offer?? The scenario you’ve outlined is in no way acceptable to any woman anywhere in the world….so what is the alternative medium ground??

Here’s my offer (in general, not in specific) open to negotiation…but an honest first cut:

Good wives ARE forever concerned with their appearance and how they project/present themselves to society. A smile and cheerful attitude is always beautiful, and youthful looking, regardless of how much dust might be on the bottle. Men always buy women dinner, drinks, a movie, flowers, choclate and women are always gracious and say ‘thank you’ even if they cant accept, or want to pay on their own. Men never forget birthdays, anniversaries and do smile pleasantly when the mother-in-law comes to visit. Men do come home late from being out with “the boys” and always speak of with the highest regard of their wives and children when out with said “boys”. Wives are always upset and disappointed with husband and “boys”, as she should be, when left alone and definitely pissed off if her needs are left unaided.

She bears his children, yes, which also happen to be hers as well. And yes, she retains a gracious demeanor at all times (in public). In private she can throw dishes, tantrums, mope, complain, or just the ole fashioned silent treatment. In general, the man has is say, and the woman gets her way. The work force is her choice, and whatever choice she makes is 100% supported by her husband AND if there ever is a divorce, her CHOICE (if it was) to live rent free with all the benefits of motherhood, not having to work, having the time to be with and watch her children grow, children knowing their mother loved them enough to sacrifce for them, that CHOICE is acklowledged and granted fair credence in the settlement.

Sex is a 100% option….well, except if kids are desired. Wives dont ever have to have sex with their husbands, but then, they shouldn’t be suprised if husbands stray. Women should have a reasonable expectation and understanding that things arent brother/sister, it is husband/wife. Saying “NO” 364 days a year might actually lead to an issue. Go figure. For women who yearn for drama, this is a great aveune to find it. It isnt about proper stockings or availabity, it is about attitude and compromise. And that goes for both sides.
—————–

A good husband ALWYAS takes responsibility for his children. Period. End of report. His peer group slate him otherwise. As a man, there is no way on earth one of the “boys” I drink with would ever do otherwise. Ever. Regardless of the deal he has with his wife, or job, marital staus or anything else. If a man doesnt take care of his kids, he ain’t drinking with me. No options. (alimony is a different subject entirely) He speaks highly of his wife, brags about his kids and struggles to give them the best possible options in life. Believe me, even with this rule in place, ive never found a shortage of drinking buddies. Men, in general, desprately want to take care of their kids. (always exceptions to the rule, and yes, found them too)

He carrys things, opens doors, takes off his hat, stands up when a lady enters the room, does his best to maintain a good appearance regardless if nature or good cooking have left him fat and/or bald. He can drink regularly, but this is not an excuse for acting like an a$$. He can/will go fishing, play golf, want sex, own guns, drink beer, watch/attend/play sports, look at boobs, tinker on cars, watch James Bond reruns, smoke cigars, want/or own a boat, never ask for directions, have a opinion as to why the world turns, tinker on cars some more and have friends who do the same. If he doesnt do (at least one of) those things….why exactly would a decent women want to marry him??

And this is the kicker. NO. We arent going to be best friends. We arent going to shop, watch sex-in-the-city reruns, talk about fashion, make up, hair styles, jewelery, home decor, cooking recipies, Oprah, or even gossip together about hollywood stars, sports, the people at work or anything at all. We arent going to have quality down time together, or drink lattes. she isnt one of the “boys” and I dont want her tinkering on my car or telling me which boat to buy. But i do agree, we arent together for status, looks, money, power etc.

We are here to get along, raise a family and make a positive contribution to society. To feel good about ourselves whilst being dedicated and loyal to each other in the roles which are acceptable and agreed to by each party.

My job is to provide enough money for a decent living, support a reasonable quality of life and understanding for the family. Ill mow the lawn, wash the car, replace the roof, even wash windows or do the dishes from time to time. I wont iron, and i dont expect my wife to, ill take my shirts out, but she can too. I wont cook….ever, but i dont expect her to, ever. I can throw a burrito in the microwave or pick up the phone and order pizza and crack a beer just as easily as my wife, in fact, ill crack the beer for her too.

I do expect my wife to take the best possible care of my children, protect them, teach them manners, morals, good judgement, humility and respect…AND i expect her to teach by example. She can also expect the same from me. I wont ever yell/shout at her, hit her, guilt/shame or in any way disparage/diminish her reputation/position. She is the boss of the kids. Not me. Im the enforcer. In the end, the (out of line) kids fear her, even though im delivering the justice.

And for my wife, and any future wife if this one doesn’t work out……if we end up in an enormous row, which cant be resolved through good sense, a good night sleep or independant arbitration and my wife ends up as an argumentitive, entitled, self absorbed, victim…I swear on my imigrant grandfather’s grave if we can’t sort it out and the American courts award my wife (what i feel is) more than her fair share…i’ll sell everything (donate) or burn the cash on the courthouse steps and post it on you tube before i give my money to a worthless cow.

However if my wife continues to be gracious, understanding, provides the best possible direction/enviroment/role model for my children, and one day we unfortunately cant get along….ill gladly give her the house, car, bank account to raise my family….provide as much fatherly support as possibly to my kids under such dire circumstances and strike it off on my own again from scratch.

The fact is, we’re different. We’re not the same. We have different roles and genetics. 50/50 is about respect and attitude, it isnt about money, leadership or control and it certianly isnt about roles. Men and women arent interchangeable. We arent lego blocks.

So? What is the feedback?

Jasper

P.S. And ‘subservient’ simply isnt a word i could ever apply to any woman of any race, status, or religion ive met anywhere in the world. Ive found it is a word used by women, to describe (mostly in an attempt to degrade) other women whom are more successful at garnering men’s respect.

[Anonymous]

OK so CA renter, Im honestly trying to be positive here….(typing that, since you cant hear it in my tone)

Your email is obviously taking the piss a bit, so I’ll ask then, what is your offer?? The scenario you’ve outlined is in no way acceptable to any woman anywhere in the world….so what is the alternative medium ground??

Here’s my offer (in general, not in specific) open to negotiation…but an honest first cut:

Good wives ARE forever concerned with their appearance and how they project/present themselves to society. A smile and cheerful attitude is always beautiful, and youthful looking, regardless of how much dust might be on the bottle. Men always buy women dinner, drinks, a movie, flowers, choclate and women are always gracious and say ‘thank you’ even if they cant accept, or want to pay on their own. Men never forget birthdays, anniversaries and do smile pleasantly when the mother-in-law comes to visit. Men do come home late from being out with “the boys” and always speak of with the highest regard of their wives and children when out with said “boys”. Wives are always upset and disappointed with husband and “boys”, as she should be, when left alone and definitely pissed off if her needs are left unaided.

She bears his children, yes, which also happen to be hers as well. And yes, she retains a gracious demeanor at all times (in public). In private she can throw dishes, tantrums, mope, complain, or just the ole fashioned silent treatment. In general, the man has is say, and the woman gets her way. The work force is her choice, and whatever choice she makes is 100% supported by her husband AND if there ever is a divorce, her CHOICE (if it was) to live rent free with all the benefits of motherhood, not having to work, having the time to be with and watch her children grow, children knowing their mother loved them enough to sacrifce for them, that CHOICE is acklowledged and granted fair credence in the settlement.

Sex is a 100% option….well, except if kids are desired. Wives dont ever have to have sex with their husbands, but then, they shouldn’t be suprised if husbands stray. Women should have a reasonable expectation and understanding that things arent brother/sister, it is husband/wife. Saying “NO” 364 days a year might actually lead to an issue. Go figure. For women who yearn for drama, this is a great aveune to find it. It isnt about proper stockings or availabity, it is about attitude and compromise. And that goes for both sides.
—————–

A good husband ALWYAS takes responsibility for his children. Period. End of report. His peer group slate him otherwise. As a man, there is no way on earth one of the “boys” I drink with would ever do otherwise. Ever. Regardless of the deal he has with his wife, or job, marital staus or anything else. If a man doesnt take care of his kids, he ain’t drinking with me. No options. (alimony is a different subject entirely) He speaks highly of his wife, brags about his kids and struggles to give them the best possible options in life. Believe me, even with this rule in place, ive never found a shortage of drinking buddies. Men, in general, desprately want to take care of their kids. (always exceptions to the rule, and yes, found them too)

He carrys things, opens doors, takes off his hat, stands up when a lady enters the room, does his best to maintain a good appearance regardless if nature or good cooking have left him fat and/or bald. He can drink regularly, but this is not an excuse for acting like an a$$. He can/will go fishing, play golf, want sex, own guns, drink beer, watch/attend/play sports, look at boobs, tinker on cars, watch James Bond reruns, smoke cigars, want/or own a boat, never ask for directions, have a opinion as to why the world turns, tinker on cars some more and have friends who do the same. If he doesnt do (at least one of) those things….why exactly would a decent women want to marry him??

And this is the kicker. NO. We arent going to be best friends. We arent going to shop, watch sex-in-the-city reruns, talk about fashion, make up, hair styles, jewelery, home decor, cooking recipies, Oprah, or even gossip together about hollywood stars, sports, the people at work or anything at all. We arent going to have quality down time together, or drink lattes. she isnt one of the “boys” and I dont want her tinkering on my car or telling me which boat to buy. But i do agree, we arent together for status, looks, money, power etc.

We are here to get along, raise a family and make a positive contribution to society. To feel good about ourselves whilst being dedicated and loyal to each other in the roles which are acceptable and agreed to by each party.

My job is to provide enough money for a decent living, support a reasonable quality of life and understanding for the family. Ill mow the lawn, wash the car, replace the roof, even wash windows or do the dishes from time to time. I wont iron, and i dont expect my wife to, ill take my shirts out, but she can too. I wont cook….ever, but i dont expect her to, ever. I can throw a burrito in the microwave or pick up the phone and order pizza and crack a beer just as easily as my wife, in fact, ill crack the beer for her too.

I do expect my wife to take the best possible care of my children, protect them, teach them manners, morals, good judgement, humility and respect…AND i expect her to teach by example. She can also expect the same from me. I wont ever yell/shout at her, hit her, guilt/shame or in any way disparage/diminish her reputation/position. She is the boss of the kids. Not me. Im the enforcer. In the end, the (out of line) kids fear her, even though im delivering the justice.

And for my wife, and any future wife if this one doesn’t work out……if we end up in an enormous row, which cant be resolved through good sense, a good night sleep or independant arbitration and my wife ends up as an argumentitive, entitled, self absorbed, victim…I swear on my imigrant grandfather’s grave if we can’t sort it out and the American courts award my wife (what i feel is) more than her fair share…i’ll sell everything (donate) or burn the cash on the courthouse steps and post it on you tube before i give my money to a worthless cow.

However if my wife continues to be gracious, understanding, provides the best possible direction/enviroment/role model for my children, and one day we unfortunately cant get along….ill gladly give her the house, car, bank account to raise my family….provide as much fatherly support as possibly to my kids under such dire circumstances and strike it off on my own again from scratch.

The fact is, we’re different. We’re not the same. We have different roles and genetics. 50/50 is about respect and attitude, it isnt about money, leadership or control and it certianly isnt about roles. Men and women arent interchangeable. We arent lego blocks.

So? What is the feedback?

Jasper

P.S. And ‘subservient’ simply isnt a word i could ever apply to any woman of any race, status, or religion ive met anywhere in the world. Ive found it is a word used by women, to describe (mostly in an attempt to degrade) other women whom are more successful at garnering men’s respect.

[temeculaguy]

After reading that exchange between jasper and CA renter, I’m, literally exhausted and convinced men and women are not meant to do anything other than mate.

If I can figure out a way to be gay and not have sex with men, I think I’m going with that.

[temeculaguy]

After reading that exchange between jasper and CA renter, I’m, literally exhausted and convinced men and women are not meant to do anything other than mate.

If I can figure out a way to be gay and not have sex with men, I think I’m going with that.

[temeculaguy]

After reading that exchange between jasper and CA renter, I’m, literally exhausted and convinced men and women are not meant to do anything other than mate.

If I can figure out a way to be gay and not have sex with men, I think I’m going with that.

[Author]

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