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April 10, 2008 at 5:08 PM #184571April 10, 2008 at 6:08 PM #184539
svelteParticipantThe thing about kids is that they are a 20 year commitment. From the time the line appears on that at-home preg test, the next two decades of your life are locked in. I was petrified when it happened to us as I was barely old enough to drink. Cars, homes, even in many cases marriages don’t require that long of a commitment.
Soon after our child was born, it became apparent that there is probably nothing else in life as rewarding as being a parent. I often compare it to discovering a new world: watching a 2 yo discover objects they had no idea even existed is awesome. I wouldn’t trade the parenting experience for anything. Many of the lessons I learned as a parent I apply to my professional career and other aspects of my life. Vagabond, your statement about forcing the focus off of you is beautiful and oh so true.
But it was just a phase in our life, and truthfully I’m glad it’s over. We have adapted very well to being child-less again. Our weekends are free and we live it up big time. An advantage of having kids young is that we are still relatively young now that they are gone…and we’re taking full advantage!
I’m not dissing ppl who decide parenting isn’t for them. My best friend knew he wasn’t the parenting type and it took him years of searching to find a mate who didn’t want kids. But he found her, and they are very happy.
The people I feel sorry for are those who don’t realize they are not cut out for parenting until *after* they become parents. What a mess.
April 10, 2008 at 6:08 PM #184556svelteParticipantThe thing about kids is that they are a 20 year commitment. From the time the line appears on that at-home preg test, the next two decades of your life are locked in. I was petrified when it happened to us as I was barely old enough to drink. Cars, homes, even in many cases marriages don’t require that long of a commitment.
Soon after our child was born, it became apparent that there is probably nothing else in life as rewarding as being a parent. I often compare it to discovering a new world: watching a 2 yo discover objects they had no idea even existed is awesome. I wouldn’t trade the parenting experience for anything. Many of the lessons I learned as a parent I apply to my professional career and other aspects of my life. Vagabond, your statement about forcing the focus off of you is beautiful and oh so true.
But it was just a phase in our life, and truthfully I’m glad it’s over. We have adapted very well to being child-less again. Our weekends are free and we live it up big time. An advantage of having kids young is that we are still relatively young now that they are gone…and we’re taking full advantage!
I’m not dissing ppl who decide parenting isn’t for them. My best friend knew he wasn’t the parenting type and it took him years of searching to find a mate who didn’t want kids. But he found her, and they are very happy.
The people I feel sorry for are those who don’t realize they are not cut out for parenting until *after* they become parents. What a mess.
April 10, 2008 at 6:08 PM #184583svelteParticipantThe thing about kids is that they are a 20 year commitment. From the time the line appears on that at-home preg test, the next two decades of your life are locked in. I was petrified when it happened to us as I was barely old enough to drink. Cars, homes, even in many cases marriages don’t require that long of a commitment.
Soon after our child was born, it became apparent that there is probably nothing else in life as rewarding as being a parent. I often compare it to discovering a new world: watching a 2 yo discover objects they had no idea even existed is awesome. I wouldn’t trade the parenting experience for anything. Many of the lessons I learned as a parent I apply to my professional career and other aspects of my life. Vagabond, your statement about forcing the focus off of you is beautiful and oh so true.
But it was just a phase in our life, and truthfully I’m glad it’s over. We have adapted very well to being child-less again. Our weekends are free and we live it up big time. An advantage of having kids young is that we are still relatively young now that they are gone…and we’re taking full advantage!
I’m not dissing ppl who decide parenting isn’t for them. My best friend knew he wasn’t the parenting type and it took him years of searching to find a mate who didn’t want kids. But he found her, and they are very happy.
The people I feel sorry for are those who don’t realize they are not cut out for parenting until *after* they become parents. What a mess.
April 10, 2008 at 6:08 PM #184592svelteParticipantThe thing about kids is that they are a 20 year commitment. From the time the line appears on that at-home preg test, the next two decades of your life are locked in. I was petrified when it happened to us as I was barely old enough to drink. Cars, homes, even in many cases marriages don’t require that long of a commitment.
Soon after our child was born, it became apparent that there is probably nothing else in life as rewarding as being a parent. I often compare it to discovering a new world: watching a 2 yo discover objects they had no idea even existed is awesome. I wouldn’t trade the parenting experience for anything. Many of the lessons I learned as a parent I apply to my professional career and other aspects of my life. Vagabond, your statement about forcing the focus off of you is beautiful and oh so true.
But it was just a phase in our life, and truthfully I’m glad it’s over. We have adapted very well to being child-less again. Our weekends are free and we live it up big time. An advantage of having kids young is that we are still relatively young now that they are gone…and we’re taking full advantage!
I’m not dissing ppl who decide parenting isn’t for them. My best friend knew he wasn’t the parenting type and it took him years of searching to find a mate who didn’t want kids. But he found her, and they are very happy.
The people I feel sorry for are those who don’t realize they are not cut out for parenting until *after* they become parents. What a mess.
April 10, 2008 at 6:08 PM #184597svelteParticipantThe thing about kids is that they are a 20 year commitment. From the time the line appears on that at-home preg test, the next two decades of your life are locked in. I was petrified when it happened to us as I was barely old enough to drink. Cars, homes, even in many cases marriages don’t require that long of a commitment.
Soon after our child was born, it became apparent that there is probably nothing else in life as rewarding as being a parent. I often compare it to discovering a new world: watching a 2 yo discover objects they had no idea even existed is awesome. I wouldn’t trade the parenting experience for anything. Many of the lessons I learned as a parent I apply to my professional career and other aspects of my life. Vagabond, your statement about forcing the focus off of you is beautiful and oh so true.
But it was just a phase in our life, and truthfully I’m glad it’s over. We have adapted very well to being child-less again. Our weekends are free and we live it up big time. An advantage of having kids young is that we are still relatively young now that they are gone…and we’re taking full advantage!
I’m not dissing ppl who decide parenting isn’t for them. My best friend knew he wasn’t the parenting type and it took him years of searching to find a mate who didn’t want kids. But he found her, and they are very happy.
The people I feel sorry for are those who don’t realize they are not cut out for parenting until *after* they become parents. What a mess.
April 10, 2008 at 6:32 PM #184569DWCAP
ParticipantThis thread is great. Laughed my ass off reading the whole thing (I hadnt read any of it yet).
JP you are right about the hormone thing. My GF introduced me to a realization that most women dont realize the effects their natural homone fluctaions on their behavior. I was once struck with a heavy object very hard in the head by an ex, because I wanted to go out with the guys one Sat night instead of hanging alone at her place like we had done every night for the last 2 months (not an exaduration, I litteraly hadnt spent 1 night away from her since September 4th. It was just after HALLOWEEN). She had ups and downs and they were almost always 1 month cycles. She never appologized for it either. I hear she went on differnt pills and is a differnt person now.
Dave I must be an evil soul-less person too cause I laughed my ass off at that post. I didnt take it to be litteral, but unfornatually there are women out there like that, so some jaded rather bitter person prob had a reason to sit down and write that.
As for my 2 cents in the whole thing about spousal support. If she gave up a career or worked instead of going to school so he could get ahead that is one thing. Both people invested, both should benifit. If she thinks that she deserves money cause he makes money and she doesnt want to have to work then there is some truth in daves post. The introducation of kids to the picture just makes it all more bitter.
I have learned that women dress up to compete with each other, guys are just the game. However, we are still blamed for it all, as if them haveing to take a huge amount of time and effort to preen is our fault. I almost never know the difference, and most guys dont either. You can be damn sure that girl three tables over noticed.
As for guys wanting kids, I know I do and most of the guys I know do. The big difference is timing. Womens clock starts SCREAMING at them in their mid twenties and society backs it up. Men dont really get either, and usually want to have kids when they are good and ready, usually in their mid 30’s. This missing decade explains alot of the disconnect between men and women around when to start a family.
April 10, 2008 at 6:32 PM #184585ParticipantThis thread is great. Laughed my ass off reading the whole thing (I hadnt read any of it yet).
JP you are right about the hormone thing. My GF introduced me to a realization that most women dont realize the effects their natural homone fluctaions on their behavior. I was once struck with a heavy object very hard in the head by an ex, because I wanted to go out with the guys one Sat night instead of hanging alone at her place like we had done every night for the last 2 months (not an exaduration, I litteraly hadnt spent 1 night away from her since September 4th. It was just after HALLOWEEN). She had ups and downs and they were almost always 1 month cycles. She never appologized for it either. I hear she went on differnt pills and is a differnt person now.
Dave I must be an evil soul-less person too cause I laughed my ass off at that post. I didnt take it to be litteral, but unfornatually there are women out there like that, so some jaded rather bitter person prob had a reason to sit down and write that.
As for my 2 cents in the whole thing about spousal support. If she gave up a career or worked instead of going to school so he could get ahead that is one thing. Both people invested, both should benifit. If she thinks that she deserves money cause he makes money and she doesnt want to have to work then there is some truth in daves post. The introducation of kids to the picture just makes it all more bitter.
I have learned that women dress up to compete with each other, guys are just the game. However, we are still blamed for it all, as if them haveing to take a huge amount of time and effort to preen is our fault. I almost never know the difference, and most guys dont either. You can be damn sure that girl three tables over noticed.
As for guys wanting kids, I know I do and most of the guys I know do. The big difference is timing. Womens clock starts SCREAMING at them in their mid twenties and society backs it up. Men dont really get either, and usually want to have kids when they are good and ready, usually in their mid 30’s. This missing decade explains alot of the disconnect between men and women around when to start a family.
April 10, 2008 at 6:32 PM #184613ParticipantThis thread is great. Laughed my ass off reading the whole thing (I hadnt read any of it yet).
JP you are right about the hormone thing. My GF introduced me to a realization that most women dont realize the effects their natural homone fluctaions on their behavior. I was once struck with a heavy object very hard in the head by an ex, because I wanted to go out with the guys one Sat night instead of hanging alone at her place like we had done every night for the last 2 months (not an exaduration, I litteraly hadnt spent 1 night away from her since September 4th. It was just after HALLOWEEN). She had ups and downs and they were almost always 1 month cycles. She never appologized for it either. I hear she went on differnt pills and is a differnt person now.
Dave I must be an evil soul-less person too cause I laughed my ass off at that post. I didnt take it to be litteral, but unfornatually there are women out there like that, so some jaded rather bitter person prob had a reason to sit down and write that.
As for my 2 cents in the whole thing about spousal support. If she gave up a career or worked instead of going to school so he could get ahead that is one thing. Both people invested, both should benifit. If she thinks that she deserves money cause he makes money and she doesnt want to have to work then there is some truth in daves post. The introducation of kids to the picture just makes it all more bitter.
I have learned that women dress up to compete with each other, guys are just the game. However, we are still blamed for it all, as if them haveing to take a huge amount of time and effort to preen is our fault. I almost never know the difference, and most guys dont either. You can be damn sure that girl three tables over noticed.
As for guys wanting kids, I know I do and most of the guys I know do. The big difference is timing. Womens clock starts SCREAMING at them in their mid twenties and society backs it up. Men dont really get either, and usually want to have kids when they are good and ready, usually in their mid 30’s. This missing decade explains alot of the disconnect between men and women around when to start a family.
April 10, 2008 at 6:32 PM #184621ParticipantThis thread is great. Laughed my ass off reading the whole thing (I hadnt read any of it yet).
JP you are right about the hormone thing. My GF introduced me to a realization that most women dont realize the effects their natural homone fluctaions on their behavior. I was once struck with a heavy object very hard in the head by an ex, because I wanted to go out with the guys one Sat night instead of hanging alone at her place like we had done every night for the last 2 months (not an exaduration, I litteraly hadnt spent 1 night away from her since September 4th. It was just after HALLOWEEN). She had ups and downs and they were almost always 1 month cycles. She never appologized for it either. I hear she went on differnt pills and is a differnt person now.
Dave I must be an evil soul-less person too cause I laughed my ass off at that post. I didnt take it to be litteral, but unfornatually there are women out there like that, so some jaded rather bitter person prob had a reason to sit down and write that.
As for my 2 cents in the whole thing about spousal support. If she gave up a career or worked instead of going to school so he could get ahead that is one thing. Both people invested, both should benifit. If she thinks that she deserves money cause he makes money and she doesnt want to have to work then there is some truth in daves post. The introducation of kids to the picture just makes it all more bitter.
I have learned that women dress up to compete with each other, guys are just the game. However, we are still blamed for it all, as if them haveing to take a huge amount of time and effort to preen is our fault. I almost never know the difference, and most guys dont either. You can be damn sure that girl three tables over noticed.
As for guys wanting kids, I know I do and most of the guys I know do. The big difference is timing. Womens clock starts SCREAMING at them in their mid twenties and society backs it up. Men dont really get either, and usually want to have kids when they are good and ready, usually in their mid 30’s. This missing decade explains alot of the disconnect between men and women around when to start a family.
April 10, 2008 at 6:32 PM #184626ParticipantThis thread is great. Laughed my ass off reading the whole thing (I hadnt read any of it yet).
JP you are right about the hormone thing. My GF introduced me to a realization that most women dont realize the effects their natural homone fluctaions on their behavior. I was once struck with a heavy object very hard in the head by an ex, because I wanted to go out with the guys one Sat night instead of hanging alone at her place like we had done every night for the last 2 months (not an exaduration, I litteraly hadnt spent 1 night away from her since September 4th. It was just after HALLOWEEN). She had ups and downs and they were almost always 1 month cycles. She never appologized for it either. I hear she went on differnt pills and is a differnt person now.
Dave I must be an evil soul-less person too cause I laughed my ass off at that post. I didnt take it to be litteral, but unfornatually there are women out there like that, so some jaded rather bitter person prob had a reason to sit down and write that.
As for my 2 cents in the whole thing about spousal support. If she gave up a career or worked instead of going to school so he could get ahead that is one thing. Both people invested, both should benifit. If she thinks that she deserves money cause he makes money and she doesnt want to have to work then there is some truth in daves post. The introducation of kids to the picture just makes it all more bitter.
I have learned that women dress up to compete with each other, guys are just the game. However, we are still blamed for it all, as if them haveing to take a huge amount of time and effort to preen is our fault. I almost never know the difference, and most guys dont either. You can be damn sure that girl three tables over noticed.
As for guys wanting kids, I know I do and most of the guys I know do. The big difference is timing. Womens clock starts SCREAMING at them in their mid twenties and society backs it up. Men dont really get either, and usually want to have kids when they are good and ready, usually in their mid 30’s. This missing decade explains alot of the disconnect between men and women around when to start a family.
April 10, 2008 at 8:37 PM #184629Anonymous
GuestDWCAP, yeah, I’m real bitter. I agree with you concerning your last paragraph. On the other hand, I suspect there is good number of men who could take or leave being a parent, but go ahead and procreate in order to get/keep the woman.
April 10, 2008 at 8:37 PM #184645GuestDWCAP, yeah, I’m real bitter. I agree with you concerning your last paragraph. On the other hand, I suspect there is good number of men who could take or leave being a parent, but go ahead and procreate in order to get/keep the woman.
April 10, 2008 at 8:37 PM #184674GuestDWCAP, yeah, I’m real bitter. I agree with you concerning your last paragraph. On the other hand, I suspect there is good number of men who could take or leave being a parent, but go ahead and procreate in order to get/keep the woman.
April 10, 2008 at 8:37 PM #184682GuestDWCAP, yeah, I’m real bitter. I agree with you concerning your last paragraph. On the other hand, I suspect there is good number of men who could take or leave being a parent, but go ahead and procreate in order to get/keep the woman.
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