I haven’t been shopping for a 12 Ga is quite a few years but I would take a good Ithaca Model 37 over a Remington 870 any day. It’s pretty easy to short shuck an 870 if you are nervous. The problem with Ithaca’s is that they had a few years at the end where they were making crappy guns. The hunting crowd seems to favor the Benelli’s now. Still, I’d take a 870 over any pistol any day of the week.