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August 27, 2006 at 7:59 AM #7338August 27, 2006 at 8:55 AM #33485powaysellerParticipant
This has been covered in length, and 100% cash, with some money in gold is the preferred option now, due to the upcoming recession.
Read the archives, search for key words Fleck (or Fleckenstein), cash or gold or stock market or Zeal (commodities trading service well loved by many of us) or Treasury.
We’ve had many threads about how to hold cash: CDs, Treasury, euros, swiss francs, as many of us are concerned about the falling US dollar, and how much further it might fall when more housing loans go bad and banks and GSEs go under. Nobody here has any answers.
Read the bubble blogger in the link at right, TheBigPicture.
I went 95% cash in March, in anticipation of a stock market correction that I knew I wouldn’t be able to time. The current uerber-bull rally is going to fizzle out soon enough. Just wait for a few more bad housing reports, lender shake-downs, and poor retailer reports, and the stock market is going to start its long climb down. I am expecting the stock market to fall 30% at least over the next year. When we’re in the middle of the recession, maybe next spring, I’ll get back into stocks. I am only speaking for myself.
August 27, 2006 at 9:33 AM #33493avidsaverParticipantThanks. I don’t see the bubble blogger link though. I will do the searches you recommend and make some adjustments!
Nevermind — I found the Roubini blog. That’s what you’re referring to, right?
August 27, 2006 at 1:50 PM #33540DanielParticipant“…due to the upcoming recession”. Presenting forecast as fact certainly makes an impression on the reader.
August 27, 2006 at 2:17 PM #33543JESParticipantPowayseller, Do you have plans to get into foreign currency, like the Swiss Franc? I’m interested in learning about the most cost effective way to buy foreign currency. Going to a big bank the best route?
August 27, 2006 at 8:38 PM #33588technovelistParticipantI’m not powayseller (obviously), but in my opinion for most people the most cost-effective way to get a Swiss franc position is probably to purchase a Swiss franc annuity. These annuities are quite liquid and pay a reasonable interest rate (for Swiss francs investments, anyway). They can also have favorable tax treatment when you start taking the money out if you actually “annuitize” your accumulated account at retirement.
Buying Swiss franc banknotes (i.e., “cash”) is possible, but you will probably find there is a pretty wide spread between the bank’s buying price and their selling price, which makes this a less desirable approach.
August 28, 2006 at 12:17 PM #33709powaysellerParticipantI have no knowledge of how to buy currencies. My cousin works at a large german bank, and when I asked him how to buy euros, he suggested euro bonds.
So were do we buy euro bonds and swiss franc annuities?
Also, what are the considerations for a long-term investor, as far as the economy, that we should also consider? I’m looking for a country with low debt, strong exports, rising GDP, with a good economic policy (not the bubble-blathering fools like Bush and the Fed).
avidsaver – on the piggington home page, the lower right column is titled – other bubble bloggers – That is great stuff, and Barry Ritholtz from The Big Picture is one of the featured bloggers.
August 28, 2006 at 12:25 PM #33711technovelistParticipantHere is a web page with a general explanation of Swiss annuities, as well as links to a couple of annuity brokers (at the bottom). I’ve personally used JML.
August 28, 2006 at 12:47 PM #33722(former)FormerSanDieganParticipant30% cash, 30% real estate, 10% gold, 30% stock
100% anything is speculation.
August 28, 2006 at 12:53 PM #33726powaysellerParticipantMy investment advisor, who is rated #1 by Timers Digest, advises 100% cash. Stocks are going down, gold is overpriced, and real estate is going way down.
100% US dollars is risky, so I am spreading it out among various currencies.
I’m curious, why do you think being 100% cash is risky?
I may lose some money to inflation, but only 1-2%. With any of those other investments, I could lose 30-50% easily. I am staying far away from that list. Nothing personal, but that is the list I have been describing on this forum as an avoidance list: sell your home, sell your stocks, and buy 5% gold when the price comes down.
August 28, 2006 at 2:14 PM #33753technovelistParticipantHow do you figure that gold is overpriced? To match the 1980 peak (after inflation, of course), it would have to be over $2000. And the overall economic situation now is MUCH worse than it was then!
Remember, gold is the only money that is always acceptable, no matter what disasters are unfolding. That’s why central banks have held onto so much of it, even while telling us it is a “barbarous relic”.
August 28, 2006 at 5:32 PM #33783powaysellerParticipantquick answer – read Zeal, Chris Johnston; parabolic move and above 200dma, will correct further,wait and buy on dip
August 28, 2006 at 7:21 PM #33799technovelistParticipantSorry, I don’t buy it (no pun intended). In my opinion, the risk in waiting for gold to go down to the mid 500’s is bigger than the risk in acquiring at least a partial position now, and then buying more on the dip if it occurs. The move above the 200 dma can also be corrected by the moving average coming up, not only by the price going down.
But of course it’s your money, so you have to make the decision. Just remember that these advisors can be wrong too, and they won’t help you if you get “priced out”.
August 28, 2006 at 9:19 PM #33821LAcrashParticipantMy parents told me that they just put a good chunk of money into a local bank called Premier America Credit Union. Anyone know anything about this bank? Their website shows that they do I/O loans (with a 20% down), and they have a special loan program for those with "modest incomes" even if they have only 3% to put down, and no PMI needed! Hmmmm. Maybe I will need to pull one of those bank-rating reports that Powayseller has mentioned, are those in plain English and comprehensible to an economics/finance layperson like myslef?
August 29, 2006 at 9:56 AM #33864AnonymousGuestAvid,
In addition to high quality bonds and euros, you should look in to stocks paying large dividends, large-cap equities in general, and alternative sectors that have been out of the spotlight.
Southern Copper, for example, has a dividend approaching 9%. While I believe we are in a bit of a commodity bubble, I think owning this stock could be very profitable because of the abnormally large dividend. One ETF play I like for this strategy is First Trust Morningstar Dividend Leaders fund (FDL). Morningstar has devised an interesting methodology whereby it allocates funds according to the amount of dividend every public company is paying. So you own nearly every public company in proporation to the size of the dividend. It has a 4-5% yield on average and should outperform the general market especially if it is flat or down.
Poweshares Dynamic Market (PWC) is also an interesting large cap choice. Powershares uses a proprietary model that screens out overvalued components of the S&P 500 so that what is left is what I call the Warren Buffet S&P. The problem with classic indexing (like the S&P 500) is that many of the companies enter the index simply because they are overvalued and their market capitalizations have risen so dramatically (due to speculation or whatever) that they have to be added. The Powershares model actively decreases this effect by overweighting the fundamentally undervalued parts of the index.
Lastly, I would look in to water resources. I think we will hear more and more about the scarcity of water as the world’s population grows. Many of the companies providing water and water services are growing very rapidly. Most importantly, there has been little focus on the sector (unlike oil and gold) and so there is less risk of a major capital flight should we enter a global recession. PHO is one of the best ways to play in the water market.
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