Kinder and gentler is not relevant to the discussion.

Fisa is not echelon which is not patriot.

And yes, I consider the movement to the patriot zone from the echelon zone to be an important one.

I am not as concerned about carnivore or echelon reading communications as I am concerned about broad nsa taps being shrouded by an artifice of a telco liability holiday. Similarly, occasional waterboarding (which Clinton did discuss as being sometimes necessitated) is qualitatively different from including it as an established go to protocol.

There is a qualitative difference in trying to make inappropriate acts part of the rule of law.

Regarding the Coca cola imperialism (as well as the Vietnamese bottling plant), I think that being at the interstices of the Indian Ocean, Pacific Ocean, and Mekong Delta have more to do with being interested in trade and commerce. Their shift in economy has as much to do with our military “success” as Lenovo has to do with our criticism of Tienanmen Square.

Separately, would this conversation be better over Pho and corona? I am still with the Rhone and pizza idea.