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April 16, 2012 at 12:36 PM #19701April 16, 2012 at 3:52 PM #741757HLSParticipant
YES, they definitely exist and are available from almost any lender.
Every rate comes with a cost (or credit) associated with that rate. The cost/credit changes daily depending on the bond market, and there are often intra-day changes.
There is no set formula for how the credit increases for each higher 1/8th of a point, but it is not uncommon to receive a 1pt credit (of the loan amount) for taking a rate 1/8th of a pt higher.
IN THIS EXAMPLE: On a $400,000 loan you would receive a credit of $4000.00 (1.00%) and have a payment that is $29 higher each month.($348 yr)
If you keep the loan long enough, it will cost you
much more than $4000.After all fees are paid for, the excess funds can (usually) ONLY be used to cover certain things such as interest, insurance, property taxes and reserves required for an impound account. This can be a problem for those with low property taxes who do not want an impound account.
Some lenders *might* allow any excess to reduce principal balance but it is rare.
April 16, 2012 at 5:38 PM #741764Former SD residentParticipantThanks HLS! Think I’ll look into this as we don’t really want to pay anything out of pocket and only plan to stay in our current home for a few more years.
April 16, 2012 at 9:23 PM #741767HLSParticipant[quote=Former SD resident] we don’t really want to pay anything out of pocket and only plan to stay in our current home for a few more years.[/quote]
1. What is your current rate and balance ?
2. If you are certain that you will only stay for a few more years,(Less than 6) then also check on a 5yr ARM. The rate will be lower.Paying out of pocket is not the worst thing if it saves you enough in interest. You are going to pay one way or the other, but if you have the equity, you can add the cost to your loan balance without any out of pocket expense.
You are not likely to get much credit on a 5yr ARM, but will get a lower rate.
The credit is much larger on a 30yr fixed, but the rate will be higher.Depending on your current rate/balance/situation, you may be able to save a substantial amount with a 5yr ARM, even with a cost.
You will pay a premium to fix the rate for 30yrs, which you may not need. Another option is a 7yr ARM if you want another 2yrs of security.
April 17, 2012 at 7:01 AM #741781Former SD residentParticipant1. 5.125% and 265K (with 20% equity)
2. We are pretty sure will only be here for a few more years at most. We are actively trying to get back to Socal, hubby just needs to get a job first. It was So much easier to get out of Calfornia then to get back (hind sight is 20/20).
3. Not really interested in an ARM. While we don’t think we’ll be here much longer you never know what can happen, a lot of things have happened in the last year that proves you can make all the plans you want but then life gets in the way. So we’d like to stick with a 30 yr (though we could easily afford a 15 yr). We don’t want to get in a situation where were stuck here and then our loan adjusts. I just think these interest rates are crazy and don’t know how they can last.I really should have refi’d sooner, but we thought we’d be moving (a few times actually) and didn’t want to go through the hassle. It’s entirely possible that my husband could find a job in a few months and we’d move so I’m fine with taking a loan at a % a little higher than the best rate just to have no costs. I’m going to try to call our current mortgage servicer (BAC) again to see if they’ll adjust the rate. I’ve heard some banks will do that if they’ll lose the loan.
Thanks again for your input.
April 17, 2012 at 8:56 AM #741790HLSParticipant[quote=Former SD resident]1. 5.125% and 265K (with 20% equity)[/quote]
In most cases servicers do not own the loan and could not care less about losing a loan.
The reality is that most people who stick with their current lender get screwed by staying with them. Most take advantage of the situation. BAC rates have been terrible lately.
Existing loans get paid off and new loans require qualifying to get the best rates. Can’t just modify an existing loan for the best rate.
With your balance, you will save around $3000 in interest JUST THE FIRST YEAR, and it can be done at zero cost, and you may end up with additional credit.
(you are wasting $8 a day in interest at your current rate)April 17, 2012 at 10:49 AM #741793Former SD residentParticipantAgain, thank you HLS! We didn’t originally pick BAC, we went through a broker and that’s who we got. Right now I’m getting quotes from Mortgage Capital in LA and Quicken Loans. Do you know of a great broker/bank that will do loans in NC?
April 17, 2012 at 11:30 AM #741794UCGalParticipant[quote=Former SD resident]Again, thank you HLS! We didn’t originally pick BAC, we went through a broker and that’s who we got. Right now I’m getting quotes from Mortgage Capital in LA and Quicken Loans. Do you know of a great broker/bank that will do loans in NC?[/quote]
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You do know that HLS is a broker. Home Loan Sheldon. I’ve used him, and referred a number of friends to him.April 17, 2012 at 11:36 AM #741795Former SD residentParticipantI didn’t know that. I’ll have to contact him to see if he can help us.
April 17, 2012 at 11:39 AM #741796HLSParticipantUCG…
Thank you.
Former is in North Carolina.Unfortunately I don’t know who they should use.
For anybody, It is very difficult to shop for the lowest pricing. Pricing changes constantly based on the bond market.
There was an intra-day pricing change for the worse today which changes credit/cost that someone would have been quoted an hour ago.April 17, 2012 at 1:57 PM #741805UCGalParticipantDoh! I was thinking north county.
Sorry about that. π
April 17, 2012 at 11:27 PM #741834HLSParticipant[quote=UCGal]I was thinking north county.
Sorry about that. :)[/quote]Never a need to apologize for having a sharp mind that is capable of seeing things that others may not see!
(Doesn’t make you weird either) π -
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