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July 18, 2010 at 7:00 PM #17721July 18, 2010 at 11:50 PM #579837CubeParticipant
If the hypothetical goal here is to have person A effectively buy person X a house, why ever foreclose or forgive the loan? Why not just have person X be in default to person A indefinitely? In fact, why not have person X pay the interest-only amount to person A (while falling in arrears on the full payment) and write of the payments against taxable income? And person A can probably gift most / all of that money back to person X (assuming spouses for each are playing too).
July 18, 2010 at 11:50 PM #579930CubeParticipantIf the hypothetical goal here is to have person A effectively buy person X a house, why ever foreclose or forgive the loan? Why not just have person X be in default to person A indefinitely? In fact, why not have person X pay the interest-only amount to person A (while falling in arrears on the full payment) and write of the payments against taxable income? And person A can probably gift most / all of that money back to person X (assuming spouses for each are playing too).
July 18, 2010 at 11:50 PM #580463CubeParticipantIf the hypothetical goal here is to have person A effectively buy person X a house, why ever foreclose or forgive the loan? Why not just have person X be in default to person A indefinitely? In fact, why not have person X pay the interest-only amount to person A (while falling in arrears on the full payment) and write of the payments against taxable income? And person A can probably gift most / all of that money back to person X (assuming spouses for each are playing too).
July 18, 2010 at 11:50 PM #580567CubeParticipantIf the hypothetical goal here is to have person A effectively buy person X a house, why ever foreclose or forgive the loan? Why not just have person X be in default to person A indefinitely? In fact, why not have person X pay the interest-only amount to person A (while falling in arrears on the full payment) and write of the payments against taxable income? And person A can probably gift most / all of that money back to person X (assuming spouses for each are playing too).
July 18, 2010 at 11:50 PM #580871CubeParticipantIf the hypothetical goal here is to have person A effectively buy person X a house, why ever foreclose or forgive the loan? Why not just have person X be in default to person A indefinitely? In fact, why not have person X pay the interest-only amount to person A (while falling in arrears on the full payment) and write of the payments against taxable income? And person A can probably gift most / all of that money back to person X (assuming spouses for each are playing too).
July 19, 2010 at 7:25 AM #579861DataAgentParticipantUSA Today has an article this morning about strategic defaults:
“Starting in October, Fannie Mae says, strategic defaulters will be disqualified for new Fannie Mae-backed loans for seven years after their foreclosures. Fannie also says it will go to court where it can to recoup outstanding mortgage debt from borrowers who strategically default.”
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/housing/2010-07-19-defaults19_ST_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip
July 19, 2010 at 7:25 AM #579955DataAgentParticipantUSA Today has an article this morning about strategic defaults:
“Starting in October, Fannie Mae says, strategic defaulters will be disqualified for new Fannie Mae-backed loans for seven years after their foreclosures. Fannie also says it will go to court where it can to recoup outstanding mortgage debt from borrowers who strategically default.”
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/housing/2010-07-19-defaults19_ST_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip
July 19, 2010 at 7:25 AM #580488DataAgentParticipantUSA Today has an article this morning about strategic defaults:
“Starting in October, Fannie Mae says, strategic defaulters will be disqualified for new Fannie Mae-backed loans for seven years after their foreclosures. Fannie also says it will go to court where it can to recoup outstanding mortgage debt from borrowers who strategically default.”
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/housing/2010-07-19-defaults19_ST_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip
July 19, 2010 at 7:25 AM #580592DataAgentParticipantUSA Today has an article this morning about strategic defaults:
“Starting in October, Fannie Mae says, strategic defaulters will be disqualified for new Fannie Mae-backed loans for seven years after their foreclosures. Fannie also says it will go to court where it can to recoup outstanding mortgage debt from borrowers who strategically default.”
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/housing/2010-07-19-defaults19_ST_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip
July 19, 2010 at 7:25 AM #580896DataAgentParticipantUSA Today has an article this morning about strategic defaults:
“Starting in October, Fannie Mae says, strategic defaulters will be disqualified for new Fannie Mae-backed loans for seven years after their foreclosures. Fannie also says it will go to court where it can to recoup outstanding mortgage debt from borrowers who strategically default.”
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/housing/2010-07-19-defaults19_ST_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip
July 19, 2010 at 7:38 AM #579871ArrayaParticipantIf enough people strategically default that could work against the prime directive of keeping home values up and get overturned. Safety in numbers.
This will blow up in their face.
http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/2010/06/june-14-2010-trickles-floods-and.html
June 14 2010: Apart from the arguments about trickles and floods, such strategic default is very socially divisive, which means it will be easy to generate a mandate to prevent it in the future, whether or not doing so would violate existing contract terms. Those who expect contract terms to remain inviolate are likely to be very disappointed in many instances. Governments don’t ‘fight fair’. When push comes to shove, they are perfectly capable of changing the rules abruptly, and retro-actively if they perceive it to be necessary. After all, we are already witnessing the demise of the rule of law in many obvious ways. The rule of law exists only when the centre agrees to be bound by the same rules as others, and that is less and less the case all the time.I think it wise to expect margin calls on a grand scale in the months and years to come. I also expect the less civilized methods of dealing with debt to resurface. In fact, they already are
July 19, 2010 at 7:38 AM #579965ArrayaParticipantIf enough people strategically default that could work against the prime directive of keeping home values up and get overturned. Safety in numbers.
This will blow up in their face.
http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/2010/06/june-14-2010-trickles-floods-and.html
June 14 2010: Apart from the arguments about trickles and floods, such strategic default is very socially divisive, which means it will be easy to generate a mandate to prevent it in the future, whether or not doing so would violate existing contract terms. Those who expect contract terms to remain inviolate are likely to be very disappointed in many instances. Governments don’t ‘fight fair’. When push comes to shove, they are perfectly capable of changing the rules abruptly, and retro-actively if they perceive it to be necessary. After all, we are already witnessing the demise of the rule of law in many obvious ways. The rule of law exists only when the centre agrees to be bound by the same rules as others, and that is less and less the case all the time.I think it wise to expect margin calls on a grand scale in the months and years to come. I also expect the less civilized methods of dealing with debt to resurface. In fact, they already are
July 19, 2010 at 7:38 AM #580498ArrayaParticipantIf enough people strategically default that could work against the prime directive of keeping home values up and get overturned. Safety in numbers.
This will blow up in their face.
http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/2010/06/june-14-2010-trickles-floods-and.html
June 14 2010: Apart from the arguments about trickles and floods, such strategic default is very socially divisive, which means it will be easy to generate a mandate to prevent it in the future, whether or not doing so would violate existing contract terms. Those who expect contract terms to remain inviolate are likely to be very disappointed in many instances. Governments don’t ‘fight fair’. When push comes to shove, they are perfectly capable of changing the rules abruptly, and retro-actively if they perceive it to be necessary. After all, we are already witnessing the demise of the rule of law in many obvious ways. The rule of law exists only when the centre agrees to be bound by the same rules as others, and that is less and less the case all the time.I think it wise to expect margin calls on a grand scale in the months and years to come. I also expect the less civilized methods of dealing with debt to resurface. In fact, they already are
July 19, 2010 at 7:38 AM #580602ArrayaParticipantIf enough people strategically default that could work against the prime directive of keeping home values up and get overturned. Safety in numbers.
This will blow up in their face.
http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/2010/06/june-14-2010-trickles-floods-and.html
June 14 2010: Apart from the arguments about trickles and floods, such strategic default is very socially divisive, which means it will be easy to generate a mandate to prevent it in the future, whether or not doing so would violate existing contract terms. Those who expect contract terms to remain inviolate are likely to be very disappointed in many instances. Governments don’t ‘fight fair’. When push comes to shove, they are perfectly capable of changing the rules abruptly, and retro-actively if they perceive it to be necessary. After all, we are already witnessing the demise of the rule of law in many obvious ways. The rule of law exists only when the centre agrees to be bound by the same rules as others, and that is less and less the case all the time.I think it wise to expect margin calls on a grand scale in the months and years to come. I also expect the less civilized methods of dealing with debt to resurface. In fact, they already are
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