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February 20, 2010 at 6:43 PM #17086February 21, 2010 at 10:35 AM #515959paramountParticipant
If cars like the the Chevrolet Volt and Nissan Leaf catch on (plugin hybrids) we could beat peak oil.
The peak oil issue has kind of disappeared off the radar recently, in fact I read an article on signonsandiego that basically stated there is no threat of peak oil in our future at all.
I don’t know what to think, if this article is correct it’s going to make our already difficult situation that much more difficult.
February 21, 2010 at 10:35 AM #516102paramountParticipantIf cars like the the Chevrolet Volt and Nissan Leaf catch on (plugin hybrids) we could beat peak oil.
The peak oil issue has kind of disappeared off the radar recently, in fact I read an article on signonsandiego that basically stated there is no threat of peak oil in our future at all.
I don’t know what to think, if this article is correct it’s going to make our already difficult situation that much more difficult.
February 21, 2010 at 10:35 AM #516530paramountParticipantIf cars like the the Chevrolet Volt and Nissan Leaf catch on (plugin hybrids) we could beat peak oil.
The peak oil issue has kind of disappeared off the radar recently, in fact I read an article on signonsandiego that basically stated there is no threat of peak oil in our future at all.
I don’t know what to think, if this article is correct it’s going to make our already difficult situation that much more difficult.
February 21, 2010 at 10:35 AM #516622paramountParticipantIf cars like the the Chevrolet Volt and Nissan Leaf catch on (plugin hybrids) we could beat peak oil.
The peak oil issue has kind of disappeared off the radar recently, in fact I read an article on signonsandiego that basically stated there is no threat of peak oil in our future at all.
I don’t know what to think, if this article is correct it’s going to make our already difficult situation that much more difficult.
February 21, 2010 at 10:35 AM #516873paramountParticipantIf cars like the the Chevrolet Volt and Nissan Leaf catch on (plugin hybrids) we could beat peak oil.
The peak oil issue has kind of disappeared off the radar recently, in fact I read an article on signonsandiego that basically stated there is no threat of peak oil in our future at all.
I don’t know what to think, if this article is correct it’s going to make our already difficult situation that much more difficult.
February 21, 2010 at 1:24 PM #516018pencilneckParticipantI’m no expert, but a couple quick thoughts:
There aren’t enough resources currently available to convert a larger percentage of combustion based cars to an electrical fleet in a short period of time. There are severe mineral bottlenecks for the components needed in batteries.
Peak oil is not an immediate concern as long as we stay in a severe recession. The problem will come when we expect recovery and find that there may not be the resources available to sustain it.
edit: the article goes on to say something very similr, just after the posted portion:
“High oil prices may or may not come in the next year or so because of recent drops in demand for oil in 2008 and early 2009. Currently world oil production is running about 85 million b/d; however, there is said be another 6 or so million b/d of unused productive capacity that could start producing oil in a few months. Although some are skeptical about the size and quality of this “reserve capacity” about 4 million barrels a day (b/d) of which is in Saudi Arabia, in theory it could keep the lid on prices for a while. In fact world oil production could increase to 91-92 million b/d if demand increases soon.”
February 21, 2010 at 1:24 PM #516162pencilneckParticipantI’m no expert, but a couple quick thoughts:
There aren’t enough resources currently available to convert a larger percentage of combustion based cars to an electrical fleet in a short period of time. There are severe mineral bottlenecks for the components needed in batteries.
Peak oil is not an immediate concern as long as we stay in a severe recession. The problem will come when we expect recovery and find that there may not be the resources available to sustain it.
edit: the article goes on to say something very similr, just after the posted portion:
“High oil prices may or may not come in the next year or so because of recent drops in demand for oil in 2008 and early 2009. Currently world oil production is running about 85 million b/d; however, there is said be another 6 or so million b/d of unused productive capacity that could start producing oil in a few months. Although some are skeptical about the size and quality of this “reserve capacity” about 4 million barrels a day (b/d) of which is in Saudi Arabia, in theory it could keep the lid on prices for a while. In fact world oil production could increase to 91-92 million b/d if demand increases soon.”
February 21, 2010 at 1:24 PM #516590pencilneckParticipantI’m no expert, but a couple quick thoughts:
There aren’t enough resources currently available to convert a larger percentage of combustion based cars to an electrical fleet in a short period of time. There are severe mineral bottlenecks for the components needed in batteries.
Peak oil is not an immediate concern as long as we stay in a severe recession. The problem will come when we expect recovery and find that there may not be the resources available to sustain it.
edit: the article goes on to say something very similr, just after the posted portion:
“High oil prices may or may not come in the next year or so because of recent drops in demand for oil in 2008 and early 2009. Currently world oil production is running about 85 million b/d; however, there is said be another 6 or so million b/d of unused productive capacity that could start producing oil in a few months. Although some are skeptical about the size and quality of this “reserve capacity” about 4 million barrels a day (b/d) of which is in Saudi Arabia, in theory it could keep the lid on prices for a while. In fact world oil production could increase to 91-92 million b/d if demand increases soon.”
February 21, 2010 at 1:24 PM #516682pencilneckParticipantI’m no expert, but a couple quick thoughts:
There aren’t enough resources currently available to convert a larger percentage of combustion based cars to an electrical fleet in a short period of time. There are severe mineral bottlenecks for the components needed in batteries.
Peak oil is not an immediate concern as long as we stay in a severe recession. The problem will come when we expect recovery and find that there may not be the resources available to sustain it.
edit: the article goes on to say something very similr, just after the posted portion:
“High oil prices may or may not come in the next year or so because of recent drops in demand for oil in 2008 and early 2009. Currently world oil production is running about 85 million b/d; however, there is said be another 6 or so million b/d of unused productive capacity that could start producing oil in a few months. Although some are skeptical about the size and quality of this “reserve capacity” about 4 million barrels a day (b/d) of which is in Saudi Arabia, in theory it could keep the lid on prices for a while. In fact world oil production could increase to 91-92 million b/d if demand increases soon.”
February 21, 2010 at 1:24 PM #516933pencilneckParticipantI’m no expert, but a couple quick thoughts:
There aren’t enough resources currently available to convert a larger percentage of combustion based cars to an electrical fleet in a short period of time. There are severe mineral bottlenecks for the components needed in batteries.
Peak oil is not an immediate concern as long as we stay in a severe recession. The problem will come when we expect recovery and find that there may not be the resources available to sustain it.
edit: the article goes on to say something very similr, just after the posted portion:
“High oil prices may or may not come in the next year or so because of recent drops in demand for oil in 2008 and early 2009. Currently world oil production is running about 85 million b/d; however, there is said be another 6 or so million b/d of unused productive capacity that could start producing oil in a few months. Although some are skeptical about the size and quality of this “reserve capacity” about 4 million barrels a day (b/d) of which is in Saudi Arabia, in theory it could keep the lid on prices for a while. In fact world oil production could increase to 91-92 million b/d if demand increases soon.”
February 21, 2010 at 2:02 PM #516133EugeneParticipant[quote]There are severe mineral bottlenecks for the components needed in batteries.[/quote]
That’s not true.
The only non-ubiquitous element in modern lithium-ion batteries is lithium. It takes 10 kg of lithium to build one typical electric car. Just the known reserves of three South American countries, Chile, Argentina and Bolivia, add up to 10 to 15 million tons. Extraction can be scaled up very quickly if only there was sufficient demand.
February 21, 2010 at 2:02 PM #516276EugeneParticipant[quote]There are severe mineral bottlenecks for the components needed in batteries.[/quote]
That’s not true.
The only non-ubiquitous element in modern lithium-ion batteries is lithium. It takes 10 kg of lithium to build one typical electric car. Just the known reserves of three South American countries, Chile, Argentina and Bolivia, add up to 10 to 15 million tons. Extraction can be scaled up very quickly if only there was sufficient demand.
February 21, 2010 at 2:02 PM #516705EugeneParticipant[quote]There are severe mineral bottlenecks for the components needed in batteries.[/quote]
That’s not true.
The only non-ubiquitous element in modern lithium-ion batteries is lithium. It takes 10 kg of lithium to build one typical electric car. Just the known reserves of three South American countries, Chile, Argentina and Bolivia, add up to 10 to 15 million tons. Extraction can be scaled up very quickly if only there was sufficient demand.
February 21, 2010 at 2:02 PM #516797EugeneParticipant[quote]There are severe mineral bottlenecks for the components needed in batteries.[/quote]
That’s not true.
The only non-ubiquitous element in modern lithium-ion batteries is lithium. It takes 10 kg of lithium to build one typical electric car. Just the known reserves of three South American countries, Chile, Argentina and Bolivia, add up to 10 to 15 million tons. Extraction can be scaled up very quickly if only there was sufficient demand.
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