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  • November 6, 2009 at 7:59 AM #16614
    svelte
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    Federal safety regulators have sharply rebuked Toyota Motor Corp. for issuing “inaccurate and misleading” statements asserting that no defect exists in the 3.8 million vehicles it recalled after a Lexus sedan accelerated out of control in San Diego County, killing four people.

    The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration issued a statement Wednesday that the recalled Toyota and Lexus vehicles do have an “underlying defect” that involves the design of the accelerator pedal and the driver’s foot well.

    In formal recall notices being mailed out this week, Toyota asks customers to remove the driver’s-side mats. Separately, the company issued a statement Monday saying its recall letter “confirms that no defect exists in vehicles in which the driver’s floor mat is compatible with the vehicle and properly secured.”

    Deny, deny, deny. Toyota is no different than any other corporation…people should wake up to that.

    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-toyota-recall5-2009nov05,0,7645994.story?track=rss

    November 6, 2009 at 8:46 AM #478405
    Coronita
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    I agree, but curious as to what is the fascination about Toyota and dragging them through the mud?

    Personally, I never liked their lineup because save the 4runner, I think they make the most boring cars. But that’s just me.

    I’d say, if you want a econo-box with good reliability these days, get a Hyundai. (The Genesis Coupe is is pretty spiffy, especially the 2.0T spec R with all the bells and whistles taken out of the car. Tuning on that thing should make it a blast. Not bad for someting MSRP at $23k)

    Imho, the difference between companies like Hyundai and Ford VERSUS companies say like Chrysler, is that the former two has new products. The later is spending a crapload of taxpayer dollars on beautiful 335 page powerpoints/marketing in their attempt to rebrand old products as new products. Check out the Chrysler business plan…Yawn…

    http://www.autoblog.com/gallery/chryslers-5-year-business-plan/

    November 6, 2009 at 8:46 AM #478575
    Coronita
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    I agree, but curious as to what is the fascination about Toyota and dragging them through the mud?

    Personally, I never liked their lineup because save the 4runner, I think they make the most boring cars. But that’s just me.

    I’d say, if you want a econo-box with good reliability these days, get a Hyundai. (The Genesis Coupe is is pretty spiffy, especially the 2.0T spec R with all the bells and whistles taken out of the car. Tuning on that thing should make it a blast. Not bad for someting MSRP at $23k)

    Imho, the difference between companies like Hyundai and Ford VERSUS companies say like Chrysler, is that the former two has new products. The later is spending a crapload of taxpayer dollars on beautiful 335 page powerpoints/marketing in their attempt to rebrand old products as new products. Check out the Chrysler business plan…Yawn…

    http://www.autoblog.com/gallery/chryslers-5-year-business-plan/

    November 6, 2009 at 8:46 AM #478941
    Coronita
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    I agree, but curious as to what is the fascination about Toyota and dragging them through the mud?

    Personally, I never liked their lineup because save the 4runner, I think they make the most boring cars. But that’s just me.

    I’d say, if you want a econo-box with good reliability these days, get a Hyundai. (The Genesis Coupe is is pretty spiffy, especially the 2.0T spec R with all the bells and whistles taken out of the car. Tuning on that thing should make it a blast. Not bad for someting MSRP at $23k)

    Imho, the difference between companies like Hyundai and Ford VERSUS companies say like Chrysler, is that the former two has new products. The later is spending a crapload of taxpayer dollars on beautiful 335 page powerpoints/marketing in their attempt to rebrand old products as new products. Check out the Chrysler business plan…Yawn…

    http://www.autoblog.com/gallery/chryslers-5-year-business-plan/

    November 6, 2009 at 8:46 AM #479021
    Coronita
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    I agree, but curious as to what is the fascination about Toyota and dragging them through the mud?

    Personally, I never liked their lineup because save the 4runner, I think they make the most boring cars. But that’s just me.

    I’d say, if you want a econo-box with good reliability these days, get a Hyundai. (The Genesis Coupe is is pretty spiffy, especially the 2.0T spec R with all the bells and whistles taken out of the car. Tuning on that thing should make it a blast. Not bad for someting MSRP at $23k)

    Imho, the difference between companies like Hyundai and Ford VERSUS companies say like Chrysler, is that the former two has new products. The later is spending a crapload of taxpayer dollars on beautiful 335 page powerpoints/marketing in their attempt to rebrand old products as new products. Check out the Chrysler business plan…Yawn…

    http://www.autoblog.com/gallery/chryslers-5-year-business-plan/

    November 6, 2009 at 8:46 AM #479241
    Coronita
    Participant

    I agree, but curious as to what is the fascination about Toyota and dragging them through the mud?

    Personally, I never liked their lineup because save the 4runner, I think they make the most boring cars. But that’s just me.

    I’d say, if you want a econo-box with good reliability these days, get a Hyundai. (The Genesis Coupe is is pretty spiffy, especially the 2.0T spec R with all the bells and whistles taken out of the car. Tuning on that thing should make it a blast. Not bad for someting MSRP at $23k)

    Imho, the difference between companies like Hyundai and Ford VERSUS companies say like Chrysler, is that the former two has new products. The later is spending a crapload of taxpayer dollars on beautiful 335 page powerpoints/marketing in their attempt to rebrand old products as new products. Check out the Chrysler business plan…Yawn…

    http://www.autoblog.com/gallery/chryslers-5-year-business-plan/

    November 6, 2009 at 9:07 AM #478418
    briansd1
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    [quote=svelte]Toyota is no different than any other corporation.[/quote]

    Of course not. They have to protect their interests.

    I agree with FLU that Toyota products are boring.

    That being said, it’ll take a lot more than this to get me to buy an America car again. I think the Japanese cars are of a lot better quality and reliability.

    German cars have performance and branding.

    The Korean cars are OK, I think but they need to price substantially cheaper than Japanese cars to make them worthwhile. Everything has a price.

    November 6, 2009 at 9:07 AM #478587
    briansd1
    Guest

    [quote=svelte]Toyota is no different than any other corporation.[/quote]

    Of course not. They have to protect their interests.

    I agree with FLU that Toyota products are boring.

    That being said, it’ll take a lot more than this to get me to buy an America car again. I think the Japanese cars are of a lot better quality and reliability.

    German cars have performance and branding.

    The Korean cars are OK, I think but they need to price substantially cheaper than Japanese cars to make them worthwhile. Everything has a price.

    November 6, 2009 at 9:07 AM #478954
    briansd1
    Guest

    [quote=svelte]Toyota is no different than any other corporation.[/quote]

    Of course not. They have to protect their interests.

    I agree with FLU that Toyota products are boring.

    That being said, it’ll take a lot more than this to get me to buy an America car again. I think the Japanese cars are of a lot better quality and reliability.

    German cars have performance and branding.

    The Korean cars are OK, I think but they need to price substantially cheaper than Japanese cars to make them worthwhile. Everything has a price.

    November 6, 2009 at 9:07 AM #479034
    briansd1
    Guest

    [quote=svelte]Toyota is no different than any other corporation.[/quote]

    Of course not. They have to protect their interests.

    I agree with FLU that Toyota products are boring.

    That being said, it’ll take a lot more than this to get me to buy an America car again. I think the Japanese cars are of a lot better quality and reliability.

    German cars have performance and branding.

    The Korean cars are OK, I think but they need to price substantially cheaper than Japanese cars to make them worthwhile. Everything has a price.

    November 6, 2009 at 9:07 AM #479255
    briansd1
    Guest

    [quote=svelte]Toyota is no different than any other corporation.[/quote]

    Of course not. They have to protect their interests.

    I agree with FLU that Toyota products are boring.

    That being said, it’ll take a lot more than this to get me to buy an America car again. I think the Japanese cars are of a lot better quality and reliability.

    German cars have performance and branding.

    The Korean cars are OK, I think but they need to price substantially cheaper than Japanese cars to make them worthwhile. Everything has a price.

    November 6, 2009 at 1:43 PM #478568
    CricketOnTheHearth
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    I was pleasantly surprised by the Ford Focus I rented several years ago. In the week I had it, it seemed pretty much as nice as, and got as good mileage as, my Corolla.

    When car-shopping, check the Fords too.

    November 6, 2009 at 1:43 PM #478737
    CricketOnTheHearth
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    I was pleasantly surprised by the Ford Focus I rented several years ago. In the week I had it, it seemed pretty much as nice as, and got as good mileage as, my Corolla.

    When car-shopping, check the Fords too.

    November 6, 2009 at 1:43 PM #479103
    CricketOnTheHearth
    Participant

    I was pleasantly surprised by the Ford Focus I rented several years ago. In the week I had it, it seemed pretty much as nice as, and got as good mileage as, my Corolla.

    When car-shopping, check the Fords too.

    November 6, 2009 at 1:43 PM #479184
    CricketOnTheHearth
    Participant

    I was pleasantly surprised by the Ford Focus I rented several years ago. In the week I had it, it seemed pretty much as nice as, and got as good mileage as, my Corolla.

    When car-shopping, check the Fords too.

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