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October 15, 2007 at 7:45 AM #10619October 15, 2007 at 8:21 AM #89029Ex-SDParticipant
raptorduck: You come across as a very savvy guy to me.
These sellers don’t understand that in most cases, “the first offer you receive is usually the best one you’re going to get”. Every time I have wanted to buy a property and the agent pulls the crap that you’re getting……..I also walk. I just won’t be part of their games. As for an agent telling you to not even bother to submit an offer below asking price…………I’m sure you are aware that they are obligated by law to submit all offers to the seller. The good news for you out of all of this looking is that prices are dropping and will continue to do so for quite a while so eventually, you’ll find the right home at the right price.
Good luck!October 15, 2007 at 8:21 AM #89037Ex-SDParticipantraptorduck: You come across as a very savvy guy to me.
These sellers don’t understand that in most cases, “the first offer you receive is usually the best one you’re going to get”. Every time I have wanted to buy a property and the agent pulls the crap that you’re getting……..I also walk. I just won’t be part of their games. As for an agent telling you to not even bother to submit an offer below asking price…………I’m sure you are aware that they are obligated by law to submit all offers to the seller. The good news for you out of all of this looking is that prices are dropping and will continue to do so for quite a while so eventually, you’ll find the right home at the right price.
Good luck!October 15, 2007 at 8:26 AM #89031nostradamusParticipantI wouldn’t assume that the seller is an innocent party to all this. They might have told their agent to not take less than asking. Also, I think dumb sellers end up working with dumb agents, hence the arrogance/rudeness at showing. They should be kissing your arse.
October 15, 2007 at 8:26 AM #89039nostradamusParticipantI wouldn’t assume that the seller is an innocent party to all this. They might have told their agent to not take less than asking. Also, I think dumb sellers end up working with dumb agents, hence the arrogance/rudeness at showing. They should be kissing your arse.
October 15, 2007 at 8:31 AM #89033Alex_angelParticipant
Most of these recent RE agents are nothing more than white trash trasplants that moved here when RE was “HOT”. Most of these people are cheap car salesman type people. Sure you have the odd nice agent, but these agents and agencies are the reason RE got so out of hand.
I have known a few people that bought their house at the $200-300k range, years ago and wanted to sell. Comps in the areas were around $500-600k. They’d be happy with $500. The agent convinced them to sell for $600k. Well they waited and waited and then POP!, the bubble burst and now they would be lucky to get $500k in that area. Well they shouldn’t have listened to the shill.Another friend of mine bought right at the peak in 2004. They saw this inland that they liked. The house was on the market for $500k. They had a bank loan approval for $545k. They made an offer for $500k, got countered, so they upped it to $525, got countered again and upped it to $545k. Well they bought it. Guess what? Thier freaking shiller agent told the selling agent that these guys were approved for $545k. They didn’t know that their agent divulged this info until after they closed. The buyer and seller agent are both as crooked as each other.
In the end Raptor. Be glad those houses didn’t fall through. You just proved that you can get a home for $200-400k cheaper. It will only get worst for them and better for you.
October 15, 2007 at 8:31 AM #89041Alex_angelParticipant
Most of these recent RE agents are nothing more than white trash trasplants that moved here when RE was “HOT”. Most of these people are cheap car salesman type people. Sure you have the odd nice agent, but these agents and agencies are the reason RE got so out of hand.
I have known a few people that bought their house at the $200-300k range, years ago and wanted to sell. Comps in the areas were around $500-600k. They’d be happy with $500. The agent convinced them to sell for $600k. Well they waited and waited and then POP!, the bubble burst and now they would be lucky to get $500k in that area. Well they shouldn’t have listened to the shill.Another friend of mine bought right at the peak in 2004. They saw this inland that they liked. The house was on the market for $500k. They had a bank loan approval for $545k. They made an offer for $500k, got countered, so they upped it to $525, got countered again and upped it to $545k. Well they bought it. Guess what? Thier freaking shiller agent told the selling agent that these guys were approved for $545k. They didn’t know that their agent divulged this info until after they closed. The buyer and seller agent are both as crooked as each other.
In the end Raptor. Be glad those houses didn’t fall through. You just proved that you can get a home for $200-400k cheaper. It will only get worst for them and better for you.
October 15, 2007 at 8:50 AM #89034raptorduckParticipantI note that I only wrote an actual offer once. The other times we indicated we wanted to write an offer. That was when we got the responses we did. Still, I think the selling agents should have let us or encouraged us to write an offer. Seller could always reject it.
I also note that while I started looking this year as a far more savy buyer than when I bought my first house 8 years ago in a seller’s market where I overpaid by $100k, and while I am even far more savy (or less ignorant) now than when I started earlier this year, I still consider myself a less than sophisticated buyer.
October 15, 2007 at 8:50 AM #89043raptorduckParticipantI note that I only wrote an actual offer once. The other times we indicated we wanted to write an offer. That was when we got the responses we did. Still, I think the selling agents should have let us or encouraged us to write an offer. Seller could always reject it.
I also note that while I started looking this year as a far more savy buyer than when I bought my first house 8 years ago in a seller’s market where I overpaid by $100k, and while I am even far more savy (or less ignorant) now than when I started earlier this year, I still consider myself a less than sophisticated buyer.
October 15, 2007 at 9:45 AM #89052RaybyrnesParticipantSomething does not add up. You are a high net worth client and this is a large transaction. We are not talking about 100K condo. So typically both parties should have excellent representation. Why did your agent not advise you to write the offer? They are well aware of the fact that the agent has to at least present the offer to the seller.
I tend to believe that the sellers are more of the challenge than the agent. The seller is letting the agent know up front that any offer other than full offer is unacceptable and will result in them finding an agent who can better represent them for full asking price.
The agent should be firm with his client to garner some flexibility but they were probably leveraged by the seller when they iniitially took the listing. They might simply be relating the opinions of the seller rather then recognizing that their job in this instance might be to sell their own client on the offer. JMTC
October 15, 2007 at 9:45 AM #89061RaybyrnesParticipantSomething does not add up. You are a high net worth client and this is a large transaction. We are not talking about 100K condo. So typically both parties should have excellent representation. Why did your agent not advise you to write the offer? They are well aware of the fact that the agent has to at least present the offer to the seller.
I tend to believe that the sellers are more of the challenge than the agent. The seller is letting the agent know up front that any offer other than full offer is unacceptable and will result in them finding an agent who can better represent them for full asking price.
The agent should be firm with his client to garner some flexibility but they were probably leveraged by the seller when they iniitially took the listing. They might simply be relating the opinions of the seller rather then recognizing that their job in this instance might be to sell their own client on the offer. JMTC
October 15, 2007 at 9:53 AM #89056raptorduckParticipantRaybyrnes. I think in a couple cases the seller was probably driving the firm response, but in others I think it was their agent. In either case, I think the agent is supposed to be the more sophisticated real estate wise and less emotional so should counsel their client. It is obvoius that later they did indeed drop their prices dramatically.
In a few cases we indicated verbally while we were still looking at the house that we would be writing an offer and were discouraged as indicted in my post by the selling agent. In others my agent contacted the selling agent by phone after we viewed the house to ask if there were other offers and that we wanted to write one and was discouraged as indicated. She would either say we wanted to write an offer or we were considering writing one. Either way, not a good idea to discourage any interest in this market me thinks.
October 15, 2007 at 9:53 AM #89065raptorduckParticipantRaybyrnes. I think in a couple cases the seller was probably driving the firm response, but in others I think it was their agent. In either case, I think the agent is supposed to be the more sophisticated real estate wise and less emotional so should counsel their client. It is obvoius that later they did indeed drop their prices dramatically.
In a few cases we indicated verbally while we were still looking at the house that we would be writing an offer and were discouraged as indicted in my post by the selling agent. In others my agent contacted the selling agent by phone after we viewed the house to ask if there were other offers and that we wanted to write one and was discouraged as indicated. She would either say we wanted to write an offer or we were considering writing one. Either way, not a good idea to discourage any interest in this market me thinks.
October 15, 2007 at 10:01 AM #89058RaybyrnesParticipantI agree with you. I remember a very interesting point made when working on my MBA. What is the first job of every CFO? #1 to keep his job #2 to guide the financial management of the company. Might hold true for the Agent. First job is to keep a client happy, next job is to sell the home. As you pointed out the client did not know all the variables so in the end maybe they lost money but ignorance might be bliss. Relative to other offers at the point they sold they might have been very satisfied with their agent. So there might be a time variable at work aswell. As you stated you opinion of their house changed as you got more savy of the market. Maybe their firmness softend as they became more savy aswell.
October 15, 2007 at 10:01 AM #89067RaybyrnesParticipantI agree with you. I remember a very interesting point made when working on my MBA. What is the first job of every CFO? #1 to keep his job #2 to guide the financial management of the company. Might hold true for the Agent. First job is to keep a client happy, next job is to sell the home. As you pointed out the client did not know all the variables so in the end maybe they lost money but ignorance might be bliss. Relative to other offers at the point they sold they might have been very satisfied with their agent. So there might be a time variable at work aswell. As you stated you opinion of their house changed as you got more savy of the market. Maybe their firmness softend as they became more savy aswell.
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