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September 12, 2007 at 8:40 AM #10256September 12, 2007 at 10:06 AM #84272WaitingToExhaleParticipant
[img_assist|nid=4757|title=August 2007 Closed Sales|desc=This doesn’t look as bad to me as I expected. With apologies to Artifact, I’ve tried my hand at graphing these data out. I know this is a dangerous forum to ask this, and I certainly WANT house prices to dramatically drop for my family’s sake, but is anybody else concerned that it doesn’t look worse? Through August, it looks like total closed sales are down 11%… or, looking at it another way, sales are still at almost 90% of last year’s, even in this “terrible market!” What’s the missing piece here? I want to believe….|link=node|align=left|width=466|height=297]
September 12, 2007 at 10:19 AM #84281SD RealtorParticipantTime Exhale… it just takes time man…
SD Realtor
September 12, 2007 at 10:34 AM #84284WaitingToExhaleParticipant[img_assist|nid=4758|title=Closed Sales + 2005|desc=I added the 2005 data, which helps to put it in perspective. I am still surprised that there’s a great wailing and gnashing of teeth in the media this year, with sales pretty much equivalent to last year’s, and almost nothing last year when sales were dramatically down from 2005.
It is interesting that the lowest months (Jan and Feb) are pretty similar for all three years, with reductions in bounces for 2006 and 2007. Perhaps 2000 or so sales is the baseline minimum?|link=node|align=left|width=466|height=297]
September 12, 2007 at 10:35 AM #84285LA_RenterParticipantThe numbers are actually surprising. I’m looking at these juxtaposed to the OC and LA numbers which are producing dramatic panic inducing “Oh My God!” moments. I guess my thoughts are that San Diego has been leading this downturn with significant drops in volume for the last two years. It’s the fact that they are still going down after all this time that is becoming the story. We are getting to a “how low can they go?” moment here. I don’t think you will see dramatic declines from here given they have already happened. Isn’t San Diego seeing sales volumes at or below what they were in the 1990’s without being adjusted for population? Does anybody have any info that?
Keep in mind that Sept will be the month that shows the full shock of the credit event in Aug. There are many reports that pendings are falling out at pretty dramatic rates. Those numbers will be interesting to see.
September 12, 2007 at 10:47 AM #84289SD RealtorParticipant“Keep in mind that Sept will be the month that shows the full shock of the credit event in Aug.”
LA_Renter… perhaps, but I think that the seasonal decline associated with Sept/Oct/Nov may mask that effect somewhat. It may be difficult to discern that effect. Also I believe that the credit crunch will ebb and flow. We saw a very harsh contraction and now we are seeing things ease up a little bit (much to the chagrin of many posters here). Everyone was all whipped up about it and we saw tons of posts yet I have only seen one post recently by carlover about the fact that it actually has lessened to some extent. I believe we will have a credit market that is tighter then it has been, yet it will oscillate between being very very harsh and just kind of harsh over the next few years. Especially if a recession does kick in.
I think that maybe September will show the full shock but I think that we will see seasonally low numbers because fall is always soft….yeah they may be adjusted somewhat due to the secular downtrend/credit crunch etc…I am just hopeful that the sales volume come spring of 08 will still continue to be below spring of 07.
My read is that at some point the sales volumes will flatten out and not decline anymore. At that point I am hopeful that the median starts to fall some. This of course is a long term projection over the next few years.
SD Realtor
September 12, 2007 at 11:05 AM #84292LA_RenterParticipantSD Realtor, Pretty much agreed although if you see a big drop in Sep 07 vs Sep 06 the mask will be pretty transparent. It will be interesting to see the REIC go into full gear this winter. That’s all they have, the market is basically in hibernation so it gives them an opportunity to play “Lets Pretend”. I imagine the FED will be lowering into the winter and this will give to a narrative of a big Spring rebound, They have alot of money and media contacts to drive this story line home. I don’t look forward to it.
September 12, 2007 at 11:23 AM #84296little ladyParticipantThe sales are down, time will tell where they go from here.
I believe it will snowball from here.I have seen 45 houses for sale in my area under 400k. I haven’t seen that in a few years.
September 12, 2007 at 11:40 AM #84297schizo2buyORnotParticipantIn addition to sales numbers that are not dropping off a cliff. We have stabilized yoy inventory numbers as well for about 2 months running.
http://www.housingtracker.net/askingprices/California/SanDiego-Carlsbad-SanMarcos/
Note: I now we beat this “dead horse” (inventory and its significance) to a pulp on another recent thread but its worth linking inventory levels to the sales numbers thread.
In search of a crystal ball . . . .
September 12, 2007 at 11:45 AM #84298(former)FormerSanDieganParticipant“In addition to sales numbers that are not dropping off a cliff. We have stabilized yoy inventory numbers as well for about 2 months running.”
Sales are below 2006. Inventory is about the same. Therefore Months of inventory has increased. This is the key barometer for prices.
September 12, 2007 at 12:02 PM #84304LA_RenterParticipantSuppose for argument sake that inventory levels stabilize (by that I mean they stabilize according to seasonality meaning peaking about this time of year and then falling in winter and picking up in spring) according to OC Renter’s blog, http://bubbletracking.blogspot.com/search/label/SD%20Inventory , we are at population adjusted all time high inventory levels, and lets suppose that sales transactions level off at this level which are running at or below some of the worst levels of the mid 90’s. And lets suppose that NOD’s and NOT’s level off at where they are today, substantially higher than they were at the worst levels of the mid 90’s. What are the consequences for San Diego RE if things just level off right now where they are for 24 to 36 mos?? Case Shiller is showing that sales/inventory/NOT’s at these levels are producing steady home price declines. Point is right where we are right now is bad enough and if it stays this way it will result in a more pronounced downturn than the 90’s.
September 12, 2007 at 12:04 PM #84300betting on fallParticipantWhat’s the opposite of looking for a silver lining? I guess whatever it is it what we piggington’s will do with these numbers.
Here’s my attempt: just taking the average price for the July and Aug. closings (# of closing/value of closed sales), Aug. appears to have come in 3% lower average price than July.
A 3% price drop in a single month is a big deal.
I suspect lots of buyers saw listing prices being cut and thought they would get a “good” deal.
Still, its hard to believe there are the same number of buyers out there with the demise of subprime and higher priced jumbos.September 12, 2007 at 1:02 PM #84305sd_bearParticipantFrom the newest article it states that:
“the August sales data reflects the closing of deals that were primarly made in July. Round two of the mortgage credit crunch probably won’t make itself fully known until we get next month’s housing data.”Based on this it makes sense that August would look very similar to July. If the trend continues through the September data I think that would be troubling.
September 12, 2007 at 1:48 PM #84308LA_RenterParticipantfrom DataQuick
Aug 06 Aug 07 chng med 06 med 07
San Diego 3,853 3,104 -19.4% $495,000 $475,000 -4.0%http://www.dqnews.com/RRSCA0907.shtm
Looks like a 19% drop from last year which was really really bad. The median is actually showing erosion
September 12, 2007 at 2:49 PM #84320little ladyParticipant“We have stabilized yoy inventory numbers as well for about 2 months running.”
Are you high? The only thing that is stable is the growing amount of houses being listed and sold for less and less…..
and if it’s happening in East County……..the Greater San Diego area is not far behind…..
August sold 400 or so less houses than the past year…….there is a trend there! That’s the same amount as about a quarter of all homes sold!
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