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LolopoPro
LolopoPro
26 days ago

Appreciate the data as always!

Any chance you could provide an update on the mortgage-vs-rent ratio?

SDLiving
SDLiving
25 days ago

San Diego is unstoppable and I’d be curious whether condos and detached are diverging. My gut says detached will enjoy larger gains as they can’t build more backyards or ranch homes.

bribrah
22 days ago
Reply to  SDLiving

San Diego has been stopped (in terms of price gains) for the last three years (or 5 years inflation adjusted, take your pick) based on the charts above and the “largest gains” have been vastly outside of housing during that time frame (stock market up almost 2x since 2023). I am a strong believer that this price stagnation will last until monthly rent to monthly payment balances out by a significant amount, buying makes zero sense for basically anyone that isnt ultra rich right now.

Also San Diego’s population has been stagnant for awhile now. Lastly, I think Rich only reports on detached homes right? Like this data does not take into account Condos I believe (correct me if Im wrong)

SDLiving
SDLiving
20 days ago
Reply to  bribrah

Your response lacks context though. San Diego is THIRD of 20 major cities tracked by case shiller for price increase since January 2020 at 67% increase only beaten by Miami and Charlotte. Comparing the same 20 cities in relation to their price changes relative to their individual peaks in 2022, San Diego is middle of the pack at 11th place with a 3% increase.

The reality that we increased so high in prices and have been able to hold it is exceptional (I’m up more than 3% in my late 2022 purchase). I show 8 out of 20 cities having price declines in varying degrees since their 2022 peaks.

So IMHO, San Diego is unstoppable because everyone said it was bubble, it would burst, prices would plummet, and doom would prevail.

None has come to fruition and in fact it only costs MORE to buy a home since 2022 and exceptionally higher when considering mortgage costs. My home would cost me 30-35% more to finance today than my current costs. Layer in my NEM2 solar and the delta is even higher.

bribrah
20 days ago
Reply to  SDLiving

I guess it depends on what you mean by “unstoppable.” If prices staying relatively flat for several years despite strong GDP and stock market growth counts as unstoppable, then sure, although that’s a different definition than I would personally use.

Also, according to the charts above, the inflation-adjusted Case-Shiller for San Diego is roughly around the same level (or even slightly below) the 2021-22 peak, so I’m not sure housing is actually much more expensive in “real” terms than it was back then. A 3% nominal increase over 4 years is also well below cumulative inflation, and significantly below what you would have gotten in a HYSA or the stock market over the same period.
Not saying buying was a bad decision by the way, especially if you like the house, plan to stay long term, and locked in a good rate. I just personally think the era of viewing housing primarily as a high-return investment may be fading, and hopefully we move more toward viewing it as a place to live first.

I also think demographics matter here. California’s population growth has slowed a lot, and San Diego itself seems fairly stagnant population-wise compared to prior decades. That doesn’t automatically mean prices crash or anything, but I do think it changes the long-term equation somewhat.
That said, I do agree San Diego has been relatively resilient compared to many other major markets, especially considering how much rates increased.

wantcoastalalwaysinland
wantcoastalalwaysinland
12 days ago

Appreciate the monthly info Rich. I always still look to the comments and information to see if it’s good time to sell/buy a house! I know prices are outrageous now and just fully regret not pulling the trigger to upgrade our house a few years ago.