OT: Where can I get H1N1 vaccine for my kids?

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Submitted by Scarlett on November 3, 2009 - 11:26am

Please help! Our pediatrician is in Scripps Carmel Valley. Friday they posted on their website that they just got it; couldn't get through the phone on Monday, went there in person, told us to try today, today the H1N1 supply is gone!!! WTF? Why even bother to post it if it was so limited? Who got it, I don't know. No guarantee when they're going to get it again and how much. So, I'd like to know where I can get it otherwise? I don't mind paying or traveling a hour or so if I am guaranteed to get it - for kids I mean.

Thanks a lot!

Submitted by Aecetia on November 3, 2009 - 11:39am.

Swine Flu Vaccine Clinics Available In San Diego This Week

By City News Service

November 1, 2009

Free flu vaccines for at-risk individuals will be available at county clinics Monday-Friday.

Public health officials, who have a limited amount of vaccines, are asking people to call their doctors first. Here's a rundown of the clinics set for this week:

* Central: 5202 University Ave., San Diego, (619) 229-5400.
* North Central: 5055 Ruffin Road, San Diego, (858) 573-7300.
* North Coastal: 104 S. Barnes St., Oceanside, (760) 967-4401.
* North Inland: 606 E. Valley Parkway, Escondido, (760) 740-4000.
* South: 690 Oxford St., Chula Vista, (619) 409-3110.
* East: 855 E. Madison Ave., El Cajon, (619) 441-6500.
* Immunization clinic: 3177A Ocean View Blvd., San Diego, (619) 595-4452.

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2009/nov/01/swi...

This link has some more info. Good luck.

http://www.sdcounty.ca.gov/Portal/News/s...

Submitted by Scarlett on November 3, 2009 - 12:07pm.

Thank you so much, Aecetia! It seem that they have it, I talked to the one on Ruffin.

I'll go there today and scoop it out.

Submitted by paramount on November 3, 2009 - 12:48pm.

Good Luck...I was able to get my kids the H1N1 jab last week (the 1st of 2 jabs...).

Submitted by Scarlett on November 3, 2009 - 12:50pm.

paramount wrote:
Good Luck...I was able to get my kids the H1N1 jab last week (the 1st of 2 jabs...).

Thanks.
jab or nasal spray? what age?

Submitted by creechrr on November 3, 2009 - 1:40pm.

I understand there is a great deal of concern about N1H1 but, why? The death rate has been less than 0.1 percent globally.

Swine flu death rate similar to seasonal flu: expert

As a father I want to ensure my son has the best chances of survival but, I'm just as concerned about what the long term effects of the vaccine could be. This thing seems to have been rushed out into production. We don't really know what side effects if any will be present and to whom.

The local news (channel 8, I think) recently ran a story about a mother going to get her children vaccinated at Balboa Hospital but, changing her mind once she learned that the version offered there contained a very smalll amount of mercury. Her concern was that mercury has been linked to Autism.

I acknowledge that I'm pretty skeptical by nature. As such, one of my first thoughts is who has something to gain by the hype associated with N1H1?

This all feels similar to TARP/Bailout BS that we experienced last year and the Terror Threat Color thingy we experienced after 9/11.

Submitted by Casca on November 3, 2009 - 2:40pm.

I've got a better correllation for you. After GW I, it was decided that all deployable military personnel needed Anthrax shots. Turns out that the company that made the stuff was run by Clinton's old crony, Admiral Crowe. The shots were given in an eight week series. I never did get them in the proper sequence, but was getting one every time I turned around. I never knew of anyone being exposed to Anthrax, but the same could be said for any number of immunizations.

Likewise, I spent twenty-plus years avoiding flu shots, since I knew that the syringe held some government employee's best guess at what that future flu strain might be. For those who remember the last Swine Flu epidemic, after the fact it turned out that more people, mostly old, died of the innoculation than the flu, and that the innoculation was likewise a useless preventative for that strain.

What's the least risk position? Good question.

Submitted by creechrr on November 3, 2009 - 2:49pm.

Casca wrote:

What's the least risk position? Good question.

That is the question. In my feable mind the answer is increasingly turns to be diet, exercise, and sunlight (vitamin D).

I work really hard at getting my son to wash his hands and keeping them out of his mouth but, that's what kids do.

Submitted by Scarlett on November 3, 2009 - 3:01pm.

creechrr wrote:
I understand there is a great deal of concern about N1H1 but, why? The death rate has been less than 0.1 percent globally.

Swine flu death rate similar to seasonal flu: expert

As a father I want to ensure my son has the best chances of survival but, I'm just as concerned about what the long term effects of the vaccine could be. This thing seems to have been rushed out into production. We don't really know what side effects if any will be present and to whom.

The local news (channel 8, I think) recently ran a story about a mother going to get her children vaccinated at Balboa Hospital but, changing her mind once she learned that the version offered there contained a very smalll amount of mercury. Her concern was that mercury has been linked to Autism.

This is just another subtype of influenza A virus and the vaccine production technique is the same as it was in the past 20+ years, grown in chicken eggs, it's not something new. They don't even use adjuvants so there is no problem. I'd be more worried about the chemicals in food stuff, colorants and such, which are much harder to avoid and also, don't provide a potential benefit/protection like the vaccine.
Mercury was NOT linked to autism per se. It was an unfortunate combination of an EXTREMELY rare genetic defect and that vaccine.

Vaccines are not for the sake of an individual. They are for the sake of the whole population to reduce the epidemics - and reduce the risk of more vulnerable people to die of complications from this thing. If they'd have enough vaccine, they'd vaccinate everybody who wants to.

It's fine to say you don't want to get vaccinated, but if you get sick and spread this around and it kills kids or pregnant women who were exposed to you, won't you feel bad?

Submitted by blahblahblah on November 3, 2009 - 3:16pm.
Submitted by carli on November 3, 2009 - 3:32pm.

Ditto what Scarlett said.

In our small community, just within the last 2 weeks, I've personally known two separate un-related previously healthy kids (one 5 and one 6 yrs old) who came down with flu symptoms (likely H1N1), and 5-7 days later developed 105-106 degree fevers, which quickly morphed into complicated pneumonia and landed both kids in the hospital in dire situations. This follows the typical path of H1N1. One of the kids is a child of a pediatrician who had been vaccinated 10 days earlier but hadn't yet gotten his booster dose because the waiting period between doses is several weeks.

Both of these kids were kind of touch and go for a day or so before the hospital could get their fever and symptoms under control. Neither one was responding to the major antibiotics and other meds given to them until the 2nd or 3rd day of trying and let me tell you, it was very hairy for everyone, especially the parents.

I'm a skeptical person, too, but I followed the scientific community on this one and got my kids vaccinated, and I'm very glad I did. H1N1 is hitting young kids in an extreme way that seems much more severe than other flus and so you can't really just brush this off by telling yourself that having the flu always presents a risk and that this is no different - this flu is different, especially for the young ones. At this point, there is no scientific, evidence-based reason for kids NOT to get the vaccine, and many compelling reasons for them TO get the vaccine, so why wouldn't you?

Scarlett, hopefully by now you've found the vaccine.

Submitted by TBL on November 3, 2009 - 3:36pm.

Our ped is also at Scripps Carmel Valley. After being on hold for 45 mins this morning we found out they do not have it and do not know when they will.

We went to the Oceanside Public Health office this afternoon and the wait was about 20 minutes.

Submitted by ralphfurley on November 3, 2009 - 4:04pm.

paramount wrote:
Good Luck...I was able to get my kids the H1N1 jab last week (the 1st of 2 jabs...).

Glaxo-Smith-Kline thanks you. Twice.

Submitted by paramount on November 3, 2009 - 4:42pm.

Scarlett wrote:
paramount wrote:
Good Luck...I was able to get my kids the H1N1 jab last week (the 1st of 2 jabs...).

Thanks.
jab or nasal spray? what age?

6 months and 6 years - both had the jabs

Submitted by paramount on November 3, 2009 - 4:50pm.

ralphfurley wrote:

Glaxo-Smith-Kline thanks you. Twice.

There was no direct $$ cost to us.

Submitted by Arraya on November 3, 2009 - 5:45pm.

It appears there has been a possible mutation in the Ukraine. The government closed down several regions of the country to try and contain it. News has been sparse and contradictory so far. Though, it sounds as if it could be more deadly than the bug we have here as well as having some very nasty side effects. It is something to watch.

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/110309...
The more severe manifestation of ARI cases are clearly hemorrhagic disease that fills lungs with blood and produces bleeding at all orifices, which are stark reminders of 1918 pandemic cases which were also linked to a swine H1N1.

Submitted by paramount on November 3, 2009 - 6:19pm.

Arraya wrote:
It appears there has been a possible mutation in the Ukraine.
The more severe manifestation of ARI cases are clearly hemorrhagic disease that fills lungs with blood and produces bleeding at all orifices, which are stark reminders of 1918 pandemic cases which were also linked to a swine H1N1.

Crap - that ain't good...

Submitted by creechrr on November 3, 2009 - 8:01pm.

Scarlett wrote:

Vaccines are not for the sake of an individual. They are for the sake of the whole population to reduce the epidemics - and reduce the risk of more vulnerable people to die of complications from this thing. If they'd have enough vaccine, they'd vaccinate everybody who wants to.

It's fine to say you don't want to get vaccinated, but if you get sick and spread this around and it kills kids or pregnant women who were exposed to you, won't you feel bad?

Very good point.

Submitted by ralphfurley on November 3, 2009 - 9:21pm.

Scarlett wrote:

Mercury was NOT linked to autism per se. It was an unfortunate combination of an EXTREMELY rare genetic defect and that vaccine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwRCmhQ61...

You sure about that?

Submitted by Scarlett on November 3, 2009 - 9:32pm.

Positive. The mercury in vaccines has been eliminated or reduced significantly. How do you explain that "us" the older people who got much more mercury in our bodies from vaccines, fillings and such haven't nearly as much autism as the kids nowadays.

Don't listen to every crock on utube. that guy is full of BS.

Submitted by Rhett on November 3, 2009 - 9:35pm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwRCmhQ615w

Wow - worn any tinfoil hats lately? Say hi to Jenny McCarthy for me.

Submitted by blahblahblah on November 3, 2009 - 9:48pm.

Positive. The mercury in vaccines has been eliminated or reduced significantly. How do you explain that "us" the older people who got much more mercury in our bodies from vaccines, fillings and such haven't nearly as much autism as the kids nowadays.

We older folks had many fewer vaccinations, and we had them when we were older. Polio, MMR, and whooping cough and that was about it. And they didn't give them to kids under 2. Now look at the CDC vaccination schedules. Hep B at one month! Absolutely crazy. They are getting dozens of vaccinations by the time they are 6 where we only had 2 or 3. There's your difference right there. I don't know about the mercury but the number of vaccinations and the age they're doing them at is a big difference between now and then.

Also, you don't typically get fillings until you're nearly grown. The mercury in amalgam fillings causes other types of neurological damage besides autism, which appears before most people need fillings at all.

Submitted by TemekuT on November 3, 2009 - 10:32pm.

I have to agree with Concho here. We were not subject to so many vaccines so close together. What if this is the cause of autism and other illnesses in the susceptible?

Why the acceleration of vaccines? What if the sheer quantity is overwhelming the immune systems of the vulnerable?

Submitted by Scarlett on November 3, 2009 - 10:56pm.

TemekuT wrote:
I have to agree with Concho here. We were not subject to so many vaccines so close together. What if this is the cause of autism and other illnesses in the susceptible?

Why the acceleration of vaccines? What if the sheer quantity is overwhelming the immune systems of the vulnerable?


Those are good points. I'll try to research them and get back to you. As for the increased number of diseases for which we vaccinate now, well, there is also scientific/medical progress and there are new vaccines that weren't available 40-50 yrs ago. That in itself is not bad.
BTW, I am 40 and I was also vaccinated for TB at birth, diphteria-tetanus-pertussis(aka whopping cough),polio, MMR, all before I was 2. In my childhood nobody heard of autism. And I got plenty of amalgam fillings when I was a little kid, so did many of my classmates.

Submitted by JordanT on November 3, 2009 - 10:57pm.

Glaxo-Smith-Kline thanks you. Twice.

GSK is not currently approved to sell the vaccine, so they aren't thanking anybody yet.

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccine...

Submitted by Aecetia on November 3, 2009 - 11:12pm.

Information from September 10, 2009 re adjuvant.

There is some concern around the use of adjuvants as they can have pretty strong or delayed side effects. Flu vaccines containing adjuvants have not been approved for use in the US, so we will probably need two doses of whichever H1N1 vaccine is available here, according to Thomas Frieden, director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

http://infectiousdiseases.about.com/b/20...

Submitted by TemekuT on November 3, 2009 - 11:18pm.

Does anyone have access to vaccination schedules by year or decade such that the increase in total given is apparent? It would be beneficial to correlate that data with incidence of autism.

My concern is not with vaccination per se. It is with the frequency and quantity.

In 2004 I underwent Hep A and Hep B Vaccination series and also tetanus booster in preparation for a trip to India. The first round was one shot of each mentioned, for 3 vaccines. I was o.k. until the last shot, which was the Hep A injection, and then I had an immediate reaction - nausea and shaking, just a generalized ill feeling. The second round was the Hep A and Hep B. Again, I was fine with the Hep B but definitely had a reaction to the Hep A. The third round was Hep B only and I had no problem. Since then, I have wondered about vaccination reactions.

Submitted by CBad on November 3, 2009 - 11:37pm.

Arraya wrote:
It appears there has been a possible mutation in the Ukraine. The government closed down several regions of the country to try and contain it. News has been sparse and contradictory so far. Though, it sounds as if it could be more deadly than the bug we have here as well as having some very nasty side effects. It is something to watch.

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/110309...
The more severe manifestation of ARI cases are clearly hemorrhagic disease that fills lungs with blood and produces bleeding at all orifices, which are stark reminders of 1918 pandemic cases which were also linked to a swine H1N1.

Some experts believe that many of the 1918 flu deaths that presented with these symptoms were with people with undiagnosed TB. Ukraine still has a high TB case rate.

Submitted by ralphfurley on November 4, 2009 - 12:54am.

Scarlett wrote:
How do you explain that "us" the older people who got much more mercury in our bodies from vaccines, fillings and such haven't nearly as much autism as the kids nowadays.

Don't listen to every crock on utube. that guy is full of BS.


How many vaccines did you get as a kid? I'll bet it wasn't anywhere near the 25 + vaccines that kids get before age 2. And it is not uncommon for a pediatrician's office to give 4 or 5 vaccine shots in one visit. You get stuck that much as a kid?

Submitted by ralphfurley on November 4, 2009 - 1:07am.

Rhett wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwRCmhQ615w

Wow - worn any tinfoil hats lately? Say hi to Jenny McCarthy for me.


Trust your government and big pharmaceutical companies to be in your best interest? I don't.

I don't know what causes the increased cases of autism. Better diagnosis? Maybe. Increased vaccination schedule? Possibly. But I don't believe we can say without a doubt that mercury had nothing at all to do with it.

If you believe it can't, Donald Rumsfeld has an artificial sweetener for you.

Submitted by bearnanke on November 4, 2009 - 10:47am.

ruffin rd has spray today - 11/4.

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