Trump Presidency Death Watch

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Submitted by svelte on July 28, 2017 - 10:03pm

After the first six months of the Presidency that we've just witnessed, what are the chances he's going to make it another 3.5 years?

Any guesses on what will do him in?

Do you still think he'll make it the full term?

I have to say I put the odds he'd leave at not very high until this week...but with the turmoil we're seeing in his staff and the way he attacks even those close to him, I can't see how he is going to attract anyone of any caliber to support him. I really can't.

This is a very amazing thing to watch.

Submitted by svelte on July 28, 2017 - 10:06pm.

For the long term record, this is the day he lost his Chief of Staff after just six months, his new Communications Director went on a rant threatening to fire his entire staff, and he himself continued his rampage against his Attorney General.

Submitted by harvey on July 29, 2017 - 6:25am.

I predicted he wouldn't finish his term on the other thread. Seems to be on track.

Here's the current status of his administration:

http://www.theonion.com/graphic/only-adu...

Submitted by svelte on July 29, 2017 - 8:01am.

ha! That sums it up nicely Harvey!

Who would work for Trump now that they see how he treats even those close to him?

And look at the shark he chose as his new Communications Director who went on the attack of the rest of Trump's staff in Week One!

He is going to have a very rough time filling any upcoming vacancies. It will not be a harmonious, well oiled machine at the White House...it will instead be a snake pit where everyone watches their back all the time.

It will be hard to get anything meaningful accomplished in a situation such as that.

Submitted by SK in CV on July 29, 2017 - 9:34am.

Who will work for Trump?

More TSD's (Tri State Douchebags)

https://newrepublic.com/article/144103/t...

Submitted by SK in CV on July 29, 2017 - 9:34am.

Who will work for Trump?

More TSD's (Tri State Douchebags)

https://newrepublic.com/article/144103/t...

Submitted by svelte on July 29, 2017 - 9:45am.

SK in CV wrote:
Who will work for Trump?

More TSD's (Tri State Douchebags)

https://newrepublic.com/article/144103/trump-mooch-rise-new-york-douchebag

Wow that was a very insightful article SK thanks. Not being from that area, I was not aware of the TSDs. I just attributed it to a Jersey demeanor. But having an article like that lay it out, I now see exactly what they're talking about!

And I'm convinced the article is right...

The bigger picture, though, is that a staff of TSDs will have a rough time appealing to the rest of America, and I bet they'll have a tough time getting along with each other. They seem like the type of people who love the limelight, and that will eventually get under Trump's skin since that should all be reserved for him.

Submitted by SK in CV on July 29, 2017 - 9:56am.

There was an additional and better article, or may have been a series of tweets, written by the same guy, better identifying the TSD as a subspecies of your ordinary douchebag. All characters from Scorsese films. Think Joe Pesci in Goodfellas. Normal people see them as an exaggeration, and aberration. TSD's see them as role models.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on July 29, 2017 - 10:03am.

SK in CV wrote:
Who will work for Trump?

More TSD's (Tri State Douchebags)

https://newrepublic.com/article/144103/t...

Tri state douchebags make excellent leaders to rednecks. All domineering alpha male teenagers who are hypersensitive to any perceived slight.

Meanwhile no response to North Korea, Russia and China.

The PRK missile launch was disclosed by the pentagon, not addressed by the Secretary of State or Secretary of Defense. Looks like Rex Tillerson will be resigning soon.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on July 29, 2017 - 10:11am.

I watched Reince Priebus on CNN yesterday. He looked so pained. Can't say I felt sorry for him. Priebus was fired by the mooch, his own subordinate.

Submitted by spdrun on July 31, 2017 - 12:53pm.

'muccie lasted less than two weeks. That was fast!

Submitted by FlyerInHi on July 31, 2017 - 1:26pm.

Haha... john Kelly should have stayed at homeland security. He won't last long in the White House.

Submitted by outtamojo on July 31, 2017 - 2:12pm.

spdrun wrote:
'muccie lasted less than two weeks. That was fast!

I thought he was a perfect fit.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on July 31, 2017 - 4:49pm.

outtamojo wrote:

thought he was a perfect fit.

Yes, he was. I wonder if scaramucci' sale of his hedge fund to the Chinese is now under jeopardy. A sale at a high.

Trump just said John Kelly will be the "best ever" chief of staff. We will see.

Oh, looks like Putin counter punches harder than Trump.

Submitted by kev374 on August 1, 2017 - 1:08pm.

The 21% jump in the stock market is because the fool has promised all the corporates the moon, when he is unable to deliver, which is only a matter of time now, there will be a 30% crash, probably even more. A total waste of time that could've been used by someone else more fit for leadership.

Trump talks the good talk but at the end of the day he is just an gigantic prick who is more occupied with running his mouth to defend his fragile ego than doing good for the country.

Submitted by spdrun on August 1, 2017 - 1:54pm.

It will be fun to see him eat his own words about the "big, ugly bubble"...

Submitted by SK in CV on August 1, 2017 - 2:07pm.

kev374 wrote:
The 21% jump in the stock market is because the fool has promised ....

Market's not up 21%. S&P is up less than 10%. NASDAQ up about 16%.

Submitted by harvey on August 1, 2017 - 2:17pm.

Are we now using the stock market as a measure of a president?

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/obama-t...

But it turns out, equities were advancing even more quickly in the early days of President Barack Obama.

It's a bummer that facts don't matter any more.

Submitted by spdrun on August 1, 2017 - 3:46pm.

Who says anything about the measure of a president? It's a measure of expectations, realistic or not.

Should be fun to watch what happens as promises are broken and expectations exceed reality. Ideally, reality will start hitting around the 2018 midterms and continue hitting through the impeachment process :)

Submitted by svelte on August 1, 2017 - 4:28pm.

actually, putting John Kelly in as Chief of Staff was probably the best thing he's done. Kelly has a real chance at getting the WH operating properly, as proof by his first action being firing Scaramucci.

The two wild cards are whether Trump will continue to listen to him, and whether Kelly will have any real power over Trump's son and stepson. I'm betting 'no' on all counts, but I could certainly be surprised.

I bet Kelly has had enough by December.

Submitted by harvey on August 1, 2017 - 5:33pm.

We were all hoping for a positive surprise from the first day. It was a longshot, but maybe he would understand the gravity of his position once in office?

It didn't happen. In fact it's far worse than even the worst naysayers like myself expected.

There will be no positive surprises. It's a downward spiral now.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on August 1, 2017 - 8:39pm.

John Kelly a general to bring order where there chaos may be good. But generals to run affairs of state may be bad for the country. Military thinking is not best for commerce, trade and prosperity.

Submitted by no_such_reality on August 2, 2017 - 9:47am.

Personally, I think the left is playing Trump all wrong.

The amount of hyperbole out of both sides makes it almost like a debate over a fictional character.

The reality is that Trump has been spectacularly ineffective since taking office.

Devastating for the environment? Not really, mostly shooting his mouth. DAP yes, Keystone Permit, yes, and a minor yet to be enacted coal stream rule, yet.

Paris climate deal revocation, well that's what his mouth says, but it isn't that simple. We're still in it, will still be in it and getting out of it will make the healthcare thrashing look comical.

Immigration, well, yes he change priorities. Arrest up, deportations actually down. Wall? What wall.

Healthcare? Fail. Fail. Fail.

Jobs? Like Foxcon in Wisconsin, at a million dollars a piece in tax deals, IMHO, Wisconsin taxpayers are getting raped.

His single biggest accomplishment was naming a Supreme Court justice with a friendly congress and senate. Granted, the supreme court over the next 7 years will set the direction for the next 25.

Basically, that's how the left needs to play Trump. He's failing. The mouth blows but there's nothing there. Quit rising to the twitter bait and stay focused on real accomplishments, there aren't any.

Every time there's screams about the environment, healthcare or anything else, it makes people think Trump is actually doing something.

The emperor has no clothes when it comes to getting it done.

Submitted by sdduuuude on August 2, 2017 - 11:49am.

The liberals have cried "wolf" too much on Trump and have not picked their battles well at all.

Rather than pointing out specific policies that have resulted in specific problems, they just attack Trump personally.

When something concrete emerges, will they be able to take advantage of it ? I doubt it.

Submitted by harvey on August 2, 2017 - 11:52am.

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Every time there's screams about the environment, healthcare or anything else, it makes people think Trump is actually doing something.

Uh, no.

I can't even guess as to how you arrive at your perception of how "the left" is "playing" Trump.

The claim on this thread is that he has been comically ineffective at furthering his agenda. (We haven't even mentioned the crimes yet...)

But his incompetence can do harm. Let's not forget that he is and will continue to be the most powerful person on earth. He doesn't just sit in his office and tweet all day. As much as he's done to undermine his influence in such a short time, he can and will make many things happen. Things that affect millions of people.

ACA could be much more effective with some modifications now that we understand how it works in practice. But instead he just spouts hyperbole about how terrible it is. There are some no-brainer solutions available to make healthcare better. He is deliberately working to make it worse.

He's only just started dismantling the EPA. It will take a few years for industry to do any real environmental damage. The damage will last for decades or more. I've seen plenty of this firsthand.

Then there's the thousand cuts that will come from general laissez faire, cronyism, and incompetence: Education, management of agencies like HUD, etc.

None of this is good for the military either.

We are fortunate that there is no crisis in the world that requires leadership. Let's hope the next three years are boring.

Submitted by harvey on August 2, 2017 - 11:57am.

sdduuuude wrote:
Rather than pointing out specific policies that have resulted in specific problems, they just attack Trump personally.

The blindingly-stupid hypocrisy of the Fox News viewer captured beautifully in once sentence.

Now be a good pigg, and bring us some data.

Send us the link to all of Obama's tweets that attack Trump personally.

Submitted by no_such_reality on August 2, 2017 - 12:08pm.

Playing as in running their campaign against. Playing as in the way you play the game against an opponent.

The death of a thousand cuts? Reversed with the stroke of the next President's pen, the same Trump enacted them.

It's fine, keep rising to the bait of Trump. Like today, the proposal on immigration. A non-starter in congress really, little if any chance to actually make it to actually getting signed to law let alone any legal challenges to it.

Trump like his business deals is running bulldozers to make and fill holes to make it seem like something is happening.

Nothing is happening. It's all empty. Again, the best way to defuse what Trump is doing is not reacting and simply pointing out his proposals are all vaporware.

Can he do real lasting damage? Yes, he can. So far, it's all hyperbole. But so far, Trump is like the WallStreet Bro telling us he's a great ladies man, the reality is he's the Wallstreet Bro humping the Fearless Girl statue.

Actually, he's more a Beavis wishing he was the Wallstreet Bro humping the Fearless Girl.

Submitted by harvey on August 2, 2017 - 12:32pm.

no_such_reality wrote:
Playing as in running their campaign against. Playing as in the way you play the game against an opponent.

Campaign?

You mean that thing that happened before he was an incompetent president?

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The death of a thousand cuts? Reversed with the stroke of the next President's pen, the same Trump enacted them.

Well then I guess we shouldn't care what any president does because it's all temporary.

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It's fine, keep rising to the bait of Trump

LOL. "Bait" implies he has a game plan. You just argued in your previous post that he did not.

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Nothing is happening. It's all empty. Again, the best way to defuse what Trump is doing is not reacting and simply pointing out his proposals are all vaporware.

The whole "the left is overreacting" is right out of Fox News headlines. It's the constant theme of Limbaugh, Breitbart etc.

There are literally, constantly headlines on those venues in the form of "Democrats are having meltdown!"

Right now, on FoxNews.com:

DOJ IGNITES FIRESTORM Sessions reportedly taking on affirmative action

OMG the left is having another "firestorm" !!!!

There is and always will be debate about policy proposals. But the right wing media constantly labels ordinary dissent from the left as an extreme overreaction, using words like "firestorm." It's part of the overly-sensitive zealot stereotype that they perpetuate.

Why do they do that? Because you fall for it, accept it as truth and build your worldview around it.

(Give us an example of what "not overreacting" even looks like - should Rachel Maddow just cancel her show for the month because Trump didn't actually do anything and there are no counterpoints to make?)

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Can he do real lasting damage? Yes, he can. So far, it's all hyperbole. But so far, Trump is like the WallStreet Bro telling us he's a great ladies man, the reality is he's the Wallstreet Bro humping the Fearless Girl statue.

He's the President of the United States.

If you don't understand what authority that position gives him, I cannot help you.

Submitted by no_such_reality on August 2, 2017 - 12:56pm.

He's President, not a god.

He's ineffective and everything he's done is basically bulldozers just moving dirt piles to sucker investors.

You're buying it like the suckers in his casino.

He deserves to have his positions laughed off the stage because that's how they really are at this point, laughable.

Submitted by spdrun on August 2, 2017 - 1:00pm.

I hope more people buy it. The chaos when illusions come suddenly crashing down will be ... exploitable.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on August 2, 2017 - 1:44pm.

no_such_reality wrote:

The amount of hyperbole out of both sides makes it almost like a debate over a fictional character.

Arguing perfect symmetry is a loser's argument.

Let apply rational economic theory for a minute.... if two things are "the same" then you should be perfectly indifferent which one is chosen. So why bother putting so much effort on the outcome. If you watch right-wing media, it's the people on the right who are more driven.

I don't think Democrats or Republicans are the same because even language can affect outcomes. For example, even is the anti-immigration bill doesn't pass, the anti immigration message gets out and that in itself is detrimental to our future prosperity.

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