Skyranch in Santee

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Submitted by sunny88 on March 1, 2009 - 12:43am

The homes at Skyranch in Santee are very "reasonably" priced compared to other new homes in San Diego and there is no Mello Roos. I would like to see if anybody in this forum has bought a home in this development or if anybody has an opinion if they are a good value. Also, will home prices in Santee go up faster than other parts of SD?

Submitted by SkyRanchOwner on June 12, 2010 - 11:40pm.

$800k is for the MODEL home. The regular standard Eaglepointe homes are selling in the range of $699k to $750k, with fantastic, and I do mean fantastic views! Big homes, with big lots, with fantastic views! Any realtor would say that these are nice homes. No one lives across the street from you, and no one lives up against your backyard. These homes aren't like the "packed in like sardines" style homes in 4S Ranch, Carmel Valley, Carlsbad, and other areas.

The lower price point homes are Crestview, still nice homes, at low to mid $500k for 2400 sq. ft. to 3200 sq. ft.

http://www.skyranchliving.com/ - Take a look around to see what I'm talking about as far as price points and square footage.

Yes, they many not be prime area like Del Mar, CV, LJ, etc, nor Tier 1. I'm not claiming Santee is Tier 1, but I do beleive SKY RANCH (looking at the living on a very high mountain) is close to Tier 2. Santee is probably Tier 3 to Tier 4 down in the lower area, depending on the homes and location.

I believe Sky Ranch is slightly better than Chula Vista and San Marcos, outskirt areas that have newer homes, but a long commute to the major metropolitan areas of San Diego. When the 52 opens, Sky Ranch will offer the fastest commute of them all. I can make it to Sorrento Valley in 25 minutes right now, even in traffic, even without the 52 open yet. No joke!

Sure, you can make the arguement that schools are better in RB, CV, etc., yet the schools in Santee aren't that bad, plus there are many private school options that are VERY good.

I've been to all the areas looking at homes for 4+ years before we bought in Sky Ranch, from Chula Vista to San Marcos to Temecula to Rancho Bernardo to Carmel Valley to Del Mar to Carlsbad.

This was over a year ago that we bought, so times were different a year ago than today, yet I still believe, Sky Ranch is a great bang for your buck! Of course, you only appreciate it if you are looking for a great bang for your buck, which we were.

Speaking of Derby Hills, they are having their own issues:
http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2010/03/07/der...

Derby Hill house for $1.45 million, are you kidding me, for "packed in like sardines" mansions! To go to Sage Canyon school?! There are better deals in Santaluz, a much more exclusive community.

Speaking of Carlsbad, I can't stand the commute from Sorrento Valley to Carlsbad. What a nightmare both ways in the morning and in the evening. And, what about this?
http://www.carlsbadcancerconnection.com/ - This is very sad, and I hope they can get to the bottom of this. Who would have thought, in Carlsbad, of all places.

There is no "Shadow Inventory" in Sky Ranch, because it is a new community, and a community all to its own on top of the mountain!

Oh, by the way, did I mention that we have no huge ugly power lines to stare at in our community?

For an analysis of the market in Santee, again I believe Sky Ranch is a higher tier than general Santee, here is the Trulia site:
http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/Santee...

Here is Trulia, focusing on Sky Ranch:
http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/Sky_Ra...

Trulia Popularity chart in Santee:
http://www.trulia.com/home_prices/Califo...

Submitted by outtamojo on June 12, 2010 - 11:48pm.

Gotta admire your enthusiasm for Skyranch, but can you mention 1 or 2 drawbacks to living there, just so you don't sound like the leader of a cult?

Submitted by flu on June 12, 2010 - 11:54pm.

SkyRanchOwner wrote:
$800k is for the MODEL home. The regular standard Eaglepointe homes are selling in the range of $699k to $750k, with fantastic, and I do mean fantastic views! Big homes, with big lots, with fantastic views! Any realtor would say that these are nice homes. No one lives across the street from you, and no one lives up against your backyard. These homes aren't like the "packed in like sardines" style homes in 4S Ranch, Carmel Valley, Carlsbad, and other areas.

The lower price point homes are Crestview, still nice homes, at low to mid $500k for 2400 sq. ft. to 3200 sq. ft.

http://www.skyranchliving.com/ - Take a look around to see what I'm talking about as far as price points and square footage.

Yes, they many not be prime area like Del Mar, CV, LJ, etc, nor Tier 1. I'm not claiming Santee is Tier 1, but I do beleive SKY RANCH (looking at the living on a very high mountain) is close to Tier 2. Santee is probably Tier 3 to Tier 4 down in the lower area, depending on the homes and location.

I believe Sky Ranch is slightly better than Chula Vista and San Marcos, outskirt areas that have newer homes, but a long commute to the major metropolitan areas of San Diego. When the 52 opens, Sky Ranch will offer the fastest commute of them all. I can make it to Sorrento Valley in 25 minutes right now, even in traffic, even without the 52 open yet. No joke!

Sure, you can make the arguement that schools are better in RB, CV, etc., yet the schools in Santee aren't that bad, plus there are many private school options that are VERY good.

I've been to all the areas looking at homes for 4+ years before we bought in Sky Ranch, from Chula Vista to San Marcos to Temecula to Rancho Bernardo to Carmel Valley to Del Mar to Carlsbad.

This was over a year ago that we bought, so times were different a year ago than today, yet I still believe, Sky Ranch is a great bang for your buck! Of course, you only appreciate it if you are looking for a great bang for your buck, which we were.

Speaking of Derby Hills, they are having their own issues:
http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2010/03/07/der...

Derby Hill house for $1.45 million, are you kidding me, for "packed in like sardines" mansions! To go to Sage Canyon school?! There are better deals in Santaluz, a much more exclusive community.

Speaking of Carlsbad, I can't stand the commute from Sorrento Valley to Carlsbad. What a nightmare both ways in the morning and in the evening. And, what about this?
http://www.carlsbadcancerconnection.com/ - This is very sad, and I hope they can get to the bottom of this. Who would have thought, in Carlsbad, of all places.

There is no "Shadow Inventory" in Sky Ranch, because it is a new community, and a community all to its own on top of the mountain!

Oh, by the way, did I mention that we have no huge ugly power lines to stare at in our community?

For an analysis of the market in Santee, again I believe Sky Ranch is a higher tier than general Santee, here is the Trulia site:
http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/Santee...

Here is Trulia, focusing on Sky Ranch:
http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/Sky_Ra...

Trulia Popularity chart in Santee:
http://www.trulia.com/home_prices/California/Santee-heat_map/

Oh, lord. Ok, I give up. Just enjoy your home. I know in time, I'm right. Except, I'm sure you won't be posting by then when that happens.

BTW: you won't disagree with me about Derby Hills being expensive/overpriced. But if you do property tax searches and research into who actually buys those homes, you'll find several of C-level execs at tech companies who arguably can afford those homes. Afterall, it is close to tech center. But I digress. Again, location, location location.

Submitted by SkyRanchOwner on June 13, 2010 - 12:42am.

Yes, flu, but why buy Derby Hill when you can buy Santaluz with current prices?

I would much rather pay that for a nice home in Santaluz, a great gated community!
http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-100027154-14... - Example 1

http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-100012956-77... - Example 2

Or, in Ivy Gate, a gated community, in 4S Ranch:
http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-090068354-10...

Both have easy, quick communites using the 56.

Outtamojo, 2 things (I'll give you 3) that aren't great about Sky Ranch:

1. You can't walk or bike to any shopping. You could, but it's a little far. You are located up on a mountain, so you'll need to drive to shopping, etc. However, there are plenty of streets to excercise and walk around in the community.

2. The areas just below the Sky Ranch community aren't as captivating. When you drive through Rancho Bernardo, Carlsbad, Carmel Valley, etc., you can see the city/community has put a lot of money into the landscaping and look and feel of everything. Many areas of Santee are older and undergoing redevelopment, so you have OLD areas mixed in with NEW. Yet, once you start driving up the mountain to Sky Ranch, it's a totally different look and feel. Mission Gorge has more new areas now than old, but you still see some of the mobile home estates, which you wouldn't see in Carmel Valley, LJ, RB, etc. In addition, there isn't as much money around in Santee versus like Carmel Valley, but it's a very, kick back, home town kind of feel. My family and I have eaten at several restaurants in town, and we were suprised at how laid back and nice everyone ones. No one seems to have an attitude, if you know what I mean. Almost a back east, country feel, in a good way.

3. No community club house or pool, except at the NorthStar condos. Not a big, big deal, it would just be nice to have. Yet, most of the homes and properties are big enough to put in a pool or private backyard entertainment area.

Submitted by flu on June 13, 2010 - 1:21am.

SkyRanchOwner wrote:
Yes, flu, but why buy Derby Hill when you can buy Santaluz with current prices?

I would much rather pay that for a nice home in Santaluz, a great gated community!
http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-100027154-14... - Example 1

http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-100012956-77... - Example 2

Or, in Ivy Gate, a gated community, in 4S Ranch:
http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-090068354-10...

Both have easy, quick communites using the 56.

Outtamojo, 2 things that aren't great about Sky Ranch:

1. You can't walk or bike to any shopping. You could, but it's a little far. You are located up on a mountain, so you'll need to drive to shopping, etc. However, there are plenty of streets to excercise and walk around in the community.

2. The areas just below the Sky Ranch community aren't as captivating. When you drive through Rancho Bernardo, Carlsbad, Carmel Valley, etc., you can see the city/community has put a lot of money into the landscaping and look and feel of everything. Many areas of Santee are older and undergoing redevelopment, so you have OLD areas mixed in with NEW. Yet, once you start driving up the mountain to Sky Ranch, it's a totally different look and feel. Mission Gorge has more new areas now than old, but you still see some of the mobile home estates, which you wouldn't see in Carmel Valley, LJ, RB, etc. In addition, there isn't as much money around in Santee versus like Carmel Valley, but it's a very, kick back, home town kind of feel. My family and I have eaten at several restaurants in town, and we were suprised at how laid back and nice everyone ones. No one seems to have an attitude, if you know what I mean. Almost a back east, country feel, in a good way.

I can't answer that question per se because it's not my price range, but my understanding would be

1)CV is built out. SantaLuz, probably has a much higher risk due to it's completely a new community. (Didn't they stop construction due to lack of interest)/
2)CV more convenient to booth the 805,5,56 (which means it's easiest to go north, south, east, and fall into the ocean if you travel west.
3)Mello Ruse(sic) in SantaLuz a doozy
4)School district
5)Proximity to Sorrento Valley
6)Slightly milder climate than inland
7)I probably missed a couple of other things, but I'll ask my friend if they considered why SantaLuz didn't make the cut. Think they they paid with about 60% down.
8)People like the plethora of hot snooty blond soccer moms...I don't know.

Probably not one of anything remarkable. But it's probably the complete package thing...And the close proxity to companies with higher paying jobs who can supposedly support some of this insanity, at least it makes more sense statistically than areas where there are fewer higher paying jobs.

You saying that SantaLuz/4S has as easy access to 56 tells me you really aren't familiar with these areas.
If you did, you would know (as many people already know) that morning traffic is always bad 56 westbound, while 56 eastbound you could go 100+ all from the start to the end of 56 if it weren't for those pesky CHP's that clock you at 75...Because there is virtually no traffic eastbound. Similarly, the opposite is true in the evening when going 56 east is really bad as you approach the 56/15 interchange while 56 westbound is pretty loose.

Someone who purchases in 4s would drive themselves nuts commuting to sorrento valley to work and coming home, simply because they would be hitting traffic both ways.
On the other hand, being in CV/DelMar, you take local streets to Sorrento Valley, and if you did need to go to rancho bernardo, for instance to work, you go against the flow of rush hour, which (and I do this many times) about 22-5 mins, depending on whether you drive like a pansy @70 or drive like a maniac at closer to 90 (not recommended on 56)...Your commute to La Jolla would be about 15 mins, naming due to the blockage at Genesse if you use 5 or slightly better if you use 805 and get off of La Jolla Village Drive. Getting to downtown LJ Shores is a wash, because it's a pain to get down there regardless of which direction you're coming from.
Your morning commute to Carlsbad is about 20 mins, 25-30 mins to Legoland, and probably around the same amount of time to the Del Mar fairgrounds (maybe less, I don't go regularly). It's about 20 mins to Convoy to eat for cheap, for which you love to gorge, but for which your snooty personality, you don't want those hole in the wall places in your neighborhood detracting from your hood...as well as the Target, HomeDepot, Walmarts, and Costcos that you like to go to, but really don't want in your neighborhood either.

The key i think (and it's just my opinion) is easy of access to the 5/805/56 corridor, specifically the 5/805, since by the very nature of San Diego, you can get to most of the main places on 5/805, and the drain on time is pretty much getting onto the freeway.

I can think of a bunch of negatives too. But just saying since you asked.

BTW: living on a 1 acre of land, care to calculate how much maintenance cost would be for irrigation/electricity/gas/etc? Some folks I know in RSF have provided some figures for me, and it seems like that maintenance cost would pretty much cancel out a pretty good portion of some cost savings.....You're getting pretty defensive of said Santee. Still wondering why need to need so much positive affirmation from a blog.I'll say it again, enjoy your home in Santee..Good luck if you're depending on home prices doing better there relative to the rest of San Diego.

Submitted by Hobie on June 13, 2010 - 7:54am.

SkyRanchOwner: Are your water rates tiered? Would you mind sharing what an average summer/winter utility and water bill looks like.

Submitted by sdrealtor on June 13, 2010 - 11:19am.

Brian
I would change that from most to some. Most of the buyers I run into have very, very, very specific areas they are looking at. Not that its immune to anything but I know for a fact that there are a few hundred people registered to receive automatic feeds of every home listed in my master planned community. Many of these people live in the general area for many years and aspire to a specific home/location in here. Another example is BearishGurl who said she has about 4 specific homes in Fleetridge on her radar.

The simple truth is the RE market here is anything but simple. You could find examples of whatever you want to prove in terms of buying behavior, selling behavior, relative values or anything else you wanted to try to prove.

Submitted by AN on June 13, 2010 - 11:40am.

flu, those houses with one acre in Sky Rranch do not have a full useable acre. I'd guess its around 1/3-1/2 acre of useable land and the rest is slope. Those houses alsso have wider foot print than your average tract homes. The side yard are also wider(which means more concrete than sod). The actual back yard space is around the same size as a 2000sq-ft single story on 1/4 acre in Solana Beach.

Submitted by flu on June 13, 2010 - 12:23pm.

AN wrote:
flu, those houses with one acre in Sky Rranch do not have a full useable acre. I'd guess its around 1/3-1/2 acre of useable land and the rest is slope. Those houses alsso have wider foot print than your average tract homes. The side yard are also wider(which means more concrete than sod). The actual back yard space is around the same size as a 2000sq-ft single story on 1/4 acre in Solana Beach.

Well, I have visited Santee but never visited the actual model homes (no interest)..So I'll have to take your word for it that the 1 acre is not useable on those homes..But then this sort of contradicts SRO's selling points about these homes.. Because one of those selling points was it's situated on a 1 acre land. I'm not sure I understand what is the point of 1 acre of land, if most of it is slopes that's not usable...It just doesn't seem like it would be different from say a DH/Saratoga home that sits on a canyon for which the hills/slopes is controlled by HOA/city... In both cases, the land isn't usable...In fact, I'd prefer if that's the case, the land belongs to the HOA/city so that they can deal with the maintenance of it...Seems like it would be a maintenance headache, clearing brush, dealing with wildlife,etc that the homeowner has to deal with. I guess since technically the land belongs to the home, you *could* turn it into usual land...But then we're not talking about something that is cheap to do (maybe another 100k+)...and definitely not something that is turnkey once you move in...which again, if someone were to spend money to do this, I would say probably puts that home out of the league of where it belongs...

Again, I don't get it. I assume 1 acre means 1 acre of land that I could say raise a horse on. (not that I would). And also, not trying to slam Santee. I'm not suggesting it's a dump or anything. It just seems like all the arguments for why this is a "great" deal just feels like it has so many holes. $800k is not a stellar deal of any sort in Santee. Not saying you can't find buyers, but it doesn't seem like it would be the norm...

I'd say places parts of Mira Mesa are a much better place to be frankly, with the total package of cost/location/convenience.

Submitted by kcal09 on June 13, 2010 - 12:26pm.

I think we all agree that location is the most important criteria to value a home in financial terms. For some people Santee works great because it's convenient and they care less about the reputation. For other people a prime location with good schools is more important. The homes at "Skyranch" have nice floorplans and the prices have come down from 2 years ago. I believe that if you don't want to resell your house anytime soon and expect a profit you will be okay.

Submitted by AN on June 13, 2010 - 12:39pm.

I visited SR because of this thread. Just want to check it out to see what's so great about it. The view is great and so is the lot and spacing of the homes. However, like you said, it's still Santee. I went a few weeks ago and even the breeze was warm, even for my Mira Mesa Standard.

I'm not 100% sure, SRO can chime in, but I think the HOA maintain the slope, even when the land belong to you. So in that sense, it's like DH/Saratoga. I've never been to DH/Saratoga, but I have been to Stonebridge and I think these houses in Sky Ranch are spaced out almost like the more expensive area of Stonebrindge, where the side yard is decent (~7 feet vs 3-4 feet in your average tract homes).

I agree that $800k is not a deal for these houses. Even for the model home. I've been in the model home and it's still lacking some fine details, such as window mouldings. At $650k for the model and $599k for non model would be a much better deal. After seeing it, I was impressed w/ the view and the house and the lot, but at the end of the day, I was still unimpressed of the whole package because the whole feel is not there. Especially for the price they're asking for.

I personally wish there were these house/lot in MM for $600-700k. That would be ideal to me. But too bad I have to go to Chula/Santee/Escondido to get it.

Submitted by AN on June 13, 2010 - 12:43pm.

kcal09 wrote:
I think we all agree that location is the most important criteria to value a home in financial terms. For some people Santee works great because it's convenient and they care less about the reputation. For other people a prime location with good schools is more important. The homes at "Skyranch" have nice floorplans and the prices have come down from 2 years ago. I believe that if you don't want to resell your house anytime soon and expect a profit you will be okay.

The biggest unknown upside about Sky Ranch is how Santee will be in 20-30 years. If Santee grows into a bigger city, the view would be killer. Especially if they start having a lot of high rises and such.

Submitted by flu on June 13, 2010 - 12:59pm.

AN wrote:
I visited SR because of this thread. Just want to check it out to see what's so great about it. The view is great and so is the lot and spacing of the homes. However, like you said, it's still Santee. I went a few weeks ago and even the breeze was warm, even for my Mira Mesa Standard.

If that's the case, the slope land isn't just unusable, it's untouchable....Maybe the HOA would be different, but usually IF an HOA is responsible for doing the maintenance of said slope, I seriously doubt the homeowner would be able to alter the usage of the slope in any way, for so many reasons... one being liability. So it's not really a home that's situated on a 1 acre lot.
Hey, if I count all the common area slopes adjoining the backyard, my home is on a 1 acre of land too :) Plus I got an ocean view...If you climb out onto the patio deck, and stretch your neck in a contorted way, you can see a small 2 inch sliver of ocean.... The irony to this, is someone agent cold calling said this was an ocean view seriously... I couldn't help but laugh my ass off.

Anyway, if SkyRanch is under HOA management...Anyone know what the HOA fees are like? $100, $200,$300/month?

Just trying to get a feel for any type of "hidden" costs...

Submitted by flu on June 13, 2010 - 12:55pm.

kcal09 wrote:
I think we all agree that location is the most important criteria to value a home in financial terms. For some people Santee works great because it's convenient and they care less about the reputation. For other people a prime location with good schools is more important. The homes at "Skyranch" have nice floorplans and the prices have come down from 2 years ago. I believe that if you don't want to resell your house anytime soon and expect a profit you will be okay.

And no doubt that's the case. I just question all the comparisons to LJ..It's not LJ...It's not LJ adjunct.

Submitted by flu on June 13, 2010 - 1:12pm.

flu wrote:

Anyway, if SkyRanch is under HOA management...Anyone know what the HOA fees are like? $100, $200,$300/month?

Just trying to get a feel for any type of "hidden" costs...

Never mind...I found an example.

http://www.sdhousehunting.com/listings/s...

WTH???? $342/month for HOA on a SFH????????That's just crazy... Even derby hills HOA is like $60-80/month

$342/month for the rest of home ownership is almost like borrowing an extra $70k for 30years at 5%...And this is suppose to move folks closer to saving money so they can send their kids to a private school?????

What other hidden costs are there? Utility/sewage/water?

Submitted by Aecetia on June 13, 2010 - 1:23pm.

I could see someone who has older kids in Santee schools that needs a bigger home, but wants to stay in the same district. And/ or in a couple of the larger floor plans, there would be room enough for an aging parent to live comfortably with the family as has been discussed in a previous thread. Otherwise, I would have to agree with flu, not top tier, but there are some nice upgrades. The development would have to be a good fit for a certain demographic and I still think the builder did not do their homework because they have since sold off the largest models and they are not being offered. I think SRO should enjoy what he has and view this as his home and not necessarily an investment because only time will tell.

Submitted by flu on June 13, 2010 - 1:38pm.

One more

http://www.sawbuck.com/property/San_Dieg...

An -11% price change in 2months, to me, doesn't suggest strength in price...That, or the original listing agent overpriced it way over back in april.

4/17/10 Initial Listing $790,990
5/14/10 Price Change $730,990
6/9/10 Price Change $699,990

Also...

http://www.sawbuck.com/property/San_Dieg...

82 days and counting.

And

http://www.sawbuck.com/property/San_Dieg...
115 days, -11%

And
http://www.sawbuck.com/property/San_Dieg...
-10% since listing two months ago...

It just seems like there is a common theme here...Listed prices have been adjusted by about -10% from two months ago... And there seems to be pretty good number of inventory...

I'm going to bookmark these to see when/if things end up.

Sorry, again, I'm probably coming across as slamming these communities or something. But things just don't add up..And I'm kinda just searching around and trying figure things out. I'm not familiar with any of these communities in Sky Ranch, so perhaps these are lower end models or something. What's going on though?

Submitted by kcal09 on June 13, 2010 - 1:25pm.

$342 HOA covers landscaping and maintenance of common areas. Unfortunately, there are no facilities such as tennis court or swimming pool so the monthly fee seems to be quite high. Granted, there is no MR but over $4k annually is close to a hidden MR.

Submitted by kcal09 on June 13, 2010 - 1:28pm.

flu wrote:
kcal09 wrote:
I think we all agree that location is the most important criteria to value a home in financial terms. For some people Santee works great because it's convenient and they care less about the reputation. For other people a prime location with good schools is more important. The homes at "Skyranch" have nice floorplans and the prices have come down from 2 years ago. I believe that if you don't want to resell your house anytime soon and expect a profit you will be okay.

And no doubt that's the case. I just question all the comparisons to LJ..It's not LJ...It's not LJ adjunct.

To compare Santee with LJ is like comparing a Ford with a BMW.

Submitted by Hobie on June 13, 2010 - 1:54pm.

kcal09 wrote:
$342 HOA covers landscaping and maintenance of common areas. Unfortunately, there are no facilities such as tennis court or swimming pool so the monthly fee seems to be quite high. Granted, there is no MR but over $4k annually is close to a hidden MR.

HOA Landscaping costs are likely to rise as plants mature and require more time to maintain.

Submitted by kcal09 on June 13, 2010 - 1:56pm.

Hobie][quote=kcal09 wrote:
$342 HOA covers landscaping and maintenance of common areas. Unfortunately, there are no facilities such as tennis court or swimming pool so the monthly fee seems to be quite high. Granted, there is no MR but over $4k annually is close to a hidden MR.

HOA Landscaping costs are likely to rise as plants mature and require more time to maintain.

HOA fees never go down, no matter what.

Submitted by bearishgurl on June 13, 2010 - 2:36pm.

flu wrote:

Well, I have visited Santee but never visited the actual model homes (no interest)..So I'll have to take your word for it that the 1 acre is not useable on those homes..But then this sort of contradicts SRO's selling points about these homes.. Because one of those selling points was it's situated on a 1 acre land. I'm not sure I understand what is the point of 1 acre of land, if most of it is slopes that's not usable...It just doesn't seem like it would be different from say a DH/Saratoga home that sits on a canyon for which the hills/slopes is controlled by HOA/city... In both cases, the land isn't usable...In fact, I'd prefer if that's the case, the land belongs to the HOA/city so that they can deal with the maintenance of it...Seems like it would be a maintenance headache, clearing brush, dealing with wildlife,etc that the homeowner has to deal with. . .

Again, I don't get it. I assume 1 acre means 1 acre of land that I could say raise a horse on. (not that I would). . .

(emphasis added)

Flu, none of SD County is "flatlands" except maybe Kearny Mesa, parts of MM and parts of Otay Mesa. Most 1/2 AC + lots in SD County are partially sloped. It is still valuable to have this land around your property, even if you don't USE it. In many ways, it is better for the downslope portion to be indiv. owned rather than maintained by the City because you can install drains to drain your property and pool off of it if you wish. And look what happened with "publicly-maintained" McGonigle Cyn in CV?? This went on for more than 25 yrs. until it was finally successfully moved out.

See: http://www.break.com/usercontent/2007/7/...

flu wrote:
I'd say places parts of Mira Mesa are a much better place to be frankly, with the total package of cost/location/convenience.

flu, there is a BOATLOAD OF DIFFERENCE between living 6-10 feet from the next house in MM and living 35-100 feet from the next house in Sky Ranch, or ANY AREA which is zoned 3 or less units per acre. It doesn't matter is the area between the units is brush, hedges, concrete, palms, veg. garden, orchard, 'possum families or teeming with rattlesnakes or a combination of any of these, the units separated by 35-100 feet HAVE FAR MORE PRIVACY. IMHO, this is the bottom line.

Submitted by AN on June 13, 2010 - 2:52pm.

bearishgurl wrote:

flu, there is a BOATLOAD OF DIFFERENCE between living 6-10 feet from the next house in MM and living 35-100 feet from the next house in Sky Ranch, or ANY AREA which is zoned 3 or less units per acre. It doesn't matter is the area between the units is brush, hedges, concrete, palms, veg. garden, orchard, 'possum families or teeming with rattlesnakes or a combination of any of these, the units separated by 35-100 feet HAVE FAR MORE PRIVACY. IMHO, this is the bottom line.

I'm not sure if you've been to Sky Ranch or not but the houses are definitely not 35-100 feet apart. Like I said in my prior post, it's more like 12-16 feet vs 6-10 feet in your average tract home areas (which includes MM).

Submitted by bearishgurl on June 13, 2010 - 3:12pm.

AN wrote:
I'm not sure if you've been to Sky Ranch or not but the houses are definitely not 35-100 feet apart. Like I said in my prior post, it's more like 12-16 feet vs 6-10 feet in your average tract home areas (which includes MM).

No, I haven't been there, AN. I'm thinking of the typical 1/2 AC lot in Bonita which puts most of the tract houses 35-50 ft apart. If these lots are 1 AC, how wide are they?? How much of the lot is slope and how much is usable? In Bonita, a typical 1/2 AC lot would be 66% to 100% usable, depending on the tract (avg. of 75% usable).

12-16 feet apart sounds like houses on 7500 - 10,000 sf lots in my (dtn. Chula) neighborhood.

Submitted by AN on June 13, 2010 - 3:30pm.

bearishgurl wrote:

No, I haven't been there, AN. I'm thinking of the typical 1/2 AC lot in Bonita which puts most of the tract houses 35-50 ft apart. If these lots are 1 AC, how wide are they?? How much of the lot is slope and how much is usable? In Bonita, a typical 1/2 AC lot would be 66% to 100% usable, depending on the tract (avg. of 75% usable).

12-16 feet apart sounds like houses on 7500 - 10,000 sf lots in my (dtn. Chula) neighborhood.


I didn't bust out the tape measure, so I don't know exactly, but it looks like 12-16 feet between houses. Maybe 20'? I assume the 1 acre lot in Sky Ranch probably have usable space of 1/4-1/2 acre. These house are wide, so you can't really compare with many tract homes. Like I said before, the spacing and house foot print feels like Stonebridge, but a little narrower. It's roughly 25-50% wider than your typical tract house. That's why the lot is big, yet there's not an abundant yard space. The lot is big enough to fit a 3500 sq-ft single story yet still have plenty of back yard and side sitting area (back yard is probably 15-20' deep?).

Since you're familiar w/ Bonita, here's a good frame of reference: http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-100012274-15.... The house is probably as wide as this one, but the back yard is probably 1/2 as deep. If you look at houses in this Bonita development, I think it's probably similar to the house size and lot size and spacing of Sky Ranch.

Submitted by bearishgurl on June 13, 2010 - 4:27pm.

AN wrote:
I didn't bust out the tape measure, so I don't know exactly, but it looks like 12-16 feet between houses. Maybe 20'? I assume the 1 acre lot in Sky Ranch probably have usable space of 1/4-1/2 acre. These house are wide, so you can't really compare with many tract homes. Like I said before, the spacing and house foot print feels like Stonebridge, but a little narrower. It's roughly 25-50% wider than your typical tract house. That's why the lot is big, yet there's not an abundant yard space. The lot is big enough to fit a 3500 sq-ft single story yet still have plenty of back yard and side sitting area (back yard is probably 15-20' deep?).

Since you're familiar w/ Bonita, here's a good frame of reference: http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-100012274-52.... The house is probably as wide as this one, but the back yard is probably 1/2 as deep. If you look at houses in this Bonita development, I think it's probably similar to the house size and lot size and spacing of Sky Ranch.

AN, the link you provided is located in "McMillin's Rialto" tract, the newest (1989-1991) and ONLY tract in Bonita with MR. These lots are a minimum of 100 feet wide. This particular lot is a "premium lot" with private concreted RV access from the back of the lot out onto Crestview. It has an uphill "bank" in back of about 12' to Bonita Long Cyn (walking and horse trails.) This takes up about 1200 sf. of the 2/3 AC lot with iceplant and block wall. I have been to several backyard parties on this street and I can tell you that the backyards ALONE are from 60 - 110 feet deep.

My backyard is 35 feet deep on my little "city lot."

I don't believe the SkyRanch footprint is as big as the footprint in the two one-story Rialto models. I did not see any one-story models in the Sky Ranch pics but maybe I didn't look thru all of them.

Weren't the Sky Ranch plans more than 3000 sf but actually all two-stories? If so, the *true lot* they are built on (minus the steep "rattlesnake" slope) is 1/4 AC (10,890 sf) to 1/2 AC (21,780 sf). Being generous and allocating 2000 sf to their "footprint," I would estimate them to be about 12-22 ft. apart.

Submitted by AN on June 13, 2010 - 4:38pm.

BR, there is a 3500 sq-ft single story model. The biggest house in that development is >4100 sq-ft.

Submitted by Aecetia on June 13, 2010 - 5:01pm.

Re. HOA fees. When we first looked at the subdivision we are in, the fees were high enough then in the early 90's to keep us out. As the recession hit they lowered them. The Board also said that once they were built out they would come down. After we moved in and it was built out, they never came down and seem to keep creeping up. I think Sky Ranch is high and that would keep me out for that reason. I would not buy in a MR neighborhood either. I do like a well run HOA and if there are tennis courts and a pool, like some of the ones in RB, at least you feel like you are getting something for your money. With all that has been posted about SR, unless you can get a great deal from them, I would not buy there.

Submitted by bearishgurl on June 13, 2010 - 5:08pm.

AN wrote:
BR, there is a 3500 sq-ft single story model. The biggest house in that development is >4100 sq-ft.

AN, if this is the case, then your "12-16 ft. apart" guess is probably in the ballpark.

That sounds a little "crowded" to me given the price, esp. in the case of the two story homes. It's almost as if they are looking into each other's windows.

I guess if you're viewing Sky Ranch with Bonita or older Chula (relatively flat) in your mind, you see one thing and if you're viewing Sky Ranch and comparing it with MM tracts, the lots seem "big" . . . lol!

Submitted by AN on June 13, 2010 - 10:10pm.

bearishgurl wrote:

I guess if you're viewing Sky Ranch with Bonita or older Chula (relatively flat) in your mind, you see one thing and if you're viewing Sky Ranch and comparing it with MM tracts, the lots seem "big" . . . lol!

Of course everyone's perspective is different. However, big is big, doesn't matter how you slice it. A 200 lb person surrounded by 300 lb people would feel small/skinny but they're not. A person making $500k/yr who are surrounded by people making multi-million dollar might feel poor/less fortunate, but they're not, in the grand scheme of things. 1/4+ usable acre is big, doesn't matter how you slice it. The amount of dwelling in San Diego with 1/4+ usable acre is quite limited.

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