Rural Urban Divide

User Forum Topic
Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 8, 2017 - 1:43pm

Aren't we lucky to live in a desirable top 10 city that is growing in population and diversity? It must suck to live stagnant or dying towns.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016...

Submitted by carlsbadworker on February 8, 2017 - 2:39pm.

But according to the report, it is not all that bad for rural: a higher percentage owned their housing units “free and clear,” with no mortgage or loan (44.0 percent compared with 32.3 percent).

Submitted by AN on February 8, 2017 - 2:47pm.

It's nice if you can afford it. It sucks if you can't. Just like, it's nice to drive a 911 Turbo but if you have to go in debt and live pay check to pay check to do it, it would suck. Now, if the government can create rent control for 911 Turbo lease where I can lease it for $50/month, that would be freaking awesome. Or government can tell Porsche that in order to sell 911 here, I should be able to buy it for $15k.

Submitted by The-Shoveler on February 8, 2017 - 4:28pm.

Sanders understood this, the Dem's establishment centered mind set just could not (would not) run an honest election so we got Trump.

Had the Dem's run an honest election and nominated Sanders, Sanders would have won.

Of course a lot of the establishment (drug and insurance companies and Banks etc..) would be just as unhappy with Sanders.

Submitted by The-Shoveler on February 8, 2017 - 6:19pm.

The only other thing I would add is it may have been a blessing in disguise LOL.

If Clinton had won she almost certainly would have started world war three by instating a no fly zone in Syria.

Well it would have been over in a few days.

She was just as dangerous but the establishment would have bought it LOL.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 8, 2017 - 8:43pm.

carlsbadworker wrote:
But according to the report, it is not all that bad for rural: a higher percentage owned their housing units “free and clear,” with no mortgage or loan (44.0 percent compared with 32.3 percent).

That might be bad. Someone maybe stuck in a $150k house outside of Peoria.

Maybe better for career and progeny to follow Caterpillar and ConAgra and move to Chicago. I happen to know that Naperville outside of Chicago has good schools.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 8, 2017 - 9:22pm.

The-Shoveler wrote:
Sanders understood this, the Dem's establishment centered mind set just could not (would not) run an honest election so we got Trump.

Had the Dem's run an honest election and nominated Sanders, Sanders would have won.

Of course a lot of the establishment (drug and insurance companies and Banks etc..) would be just as unhappy with Sanders.

Shoveler, Republicans voted for Trump so it takes some mental gyrations to blame Democrats.

Hillary was a hippie. She was an intervention hawk as Secretary of State to immunize herself. Yes, kinda calculating, but also serves the goal of spreading American democratic values.

I'm waiting to see how Trump will deal with Syria, Russia, Iran, ISIS, and Israel/Palestine all at the same time. Pretty hard to reconcile all the interests.

BTW, Hillary won 88 of the top 100 cities, including Orange County for the first time. I predicted this, but I did not see rustbelt Democrats turning Trump Republicans like they voted for Reagan. And what happened since Reagan? The industrial towns atrophied and the cities blossomed. Remember the pic of Reagan visiting NYC? That was the bottom for NYC. If your parents had bought townhouses in NYC back then, you'd be independently wealthy today.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 8, 2017 - 10:34pm.

Steve Case pointed out on Bloomberg that 85% of venture capital went to states that Hillary won.

Submitted by The-Shoveler on February 9, 2017 - 7:48am.

How 107 Superdelegates Robbed 11 Million Democratic Voters

There is a lot more on this but it is history at this point so I don't want to keep it going,

We were Robbed , enough said.
http://usuncut.com/politics/superdelegat...

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 13, 2017 - 2:12am.

GE is moving suburban Connecticut to Boston Not the suburbs, but the center.
21st century companies like the cities. We are seeing a move back to cities or large metros. Other than college towns, state capitols or tourist towns, the small and mid size towns are dying.

Immelt said he doesn't want see deers from his office. He wants to run into savvy young people.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/201...

Submitted by The-Shoveler on February 13, 2017 - 10:36am.

I have spent quite a bit of time in Boston (mostly during the 90's).

It is a lot like LA in some regards where the suburbs are actually fairly large cities in their own right and most of the companies are actually in the burbs not in Boston proper.

Spent most of my time in places like newton etc...

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 13, 2017 - 11:27am.

The-Shoveler wrote:
I have spent quite a bit of time in Boston (mostly during the 90's).

It is a lot like LA in some regards where the suburbs are actually fairly large cities in their own right and most of the companies are actually in the burbs not in Boston proper.

Spent most of my time in places like newton etc...

That makes the move to the urban core more significant. Not just young folks anymore. Stuffy establishment executives want to live in the city, likely in nearby condos. I'm sure they can afford secondary houses with yards.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/201...

If I were in Huntsville AL, or some place like that, I'd contemplate a move to a top metro.

Submitted by The-Shoveler on February 13, 2017 - 11:29am.

IMO Urban core revival is way over hyped.

It's OK in you early 20's before you have kids etc...

Then you have your first kid and you realize it's not going to work.

They really want to move to the burb's.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/young-ame...

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 13, 2017 - 11:49am.

The-Shoveler wrote:
IMO Urban core revival is way over hyped.

It's OK in you early 20's before you have kids etc...

Then you have your first kid and you realize it's not going to work.

They really want to move to the burb's.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/young-ame...

Interesting article. They are stuck in city. It's not like they're moving en masses to the suburbs.

My gay cousin married, adopted a daughter and bought a house in Jersey, a move away from Brooklyn. Big mistake, the taxes in jersey are so high. Now they live in the middle of nowhere surrounded by trees; though compared to CA, it's not far from NY, distance wise.

What's more upper middle class apple pie than Connecticut? So why did GE give that up for Boston? Did you see American beauty, the movie?

Submitted by The-Shoveler on February 13, 2017 - 11:58am.

I don't remember ever seeing American beauty, maybe I never saw it, really don't know what Connecticut has going for it.

Most of the north east other than NY-City has been losing population for a while now (moving south for the most part).

The property tax system seems set up to force you to move to Florida before you retire LOL.

You have to be fairly rich to retire in NY (especially the city) not sure about Boston or MA, never hear much about it.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 13, 2017 - 12:15pm.

Yes taxes in Northeast are very high. Property taxes too. Urban cores got people to move back through property tax abatements for 10 years, 20 years, whatever.

I agree that suburbs outside of big metros are desirable, especially is there are town-squares, or some shopping/entertainment venues, and trains to the city (important in NE)

The industrial/agricultural towns and surrounding areas are dying. There's not much hope for them in the digital age. Funny how the internet is causing people to urbanize in large cities all over the world.

Submitted by zk on February 13, 2017 - 1:27pm.

The-Shoveler wrote:
Sanders understood this, the Dem's establishment centered mind set just could not (would not) run an honest election so we got Trump.

Had the Dem's run an honest election and nominated Sanders, Sanders would have won.

Of course a lot of the establishment (drug and insurance companies and Banks etc..) would be just as unhappy with Sanders.

By this do you mean to imply that you think drug and insurance companies and banks are unhappy with trump?

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 13, 2017 - 2:04pm.

Shoveler, I would add that based on my experience, even in Vegas that is a very suburban, spread out city, I'm getting higher rent near the city. But in order to do that I had to remodel my properties to be in prestine conditions. Not a bad deal since the acquisitions costs were low.

In San Diego, place like North Park are getting very high rents. And resales are very high too. The opportunity ship has already sailed.

As the retail stores die off, we need enough density to support entertainment and restaurants.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 22, 2017 - 1:57am.

I watched Class Divide on HBO. Great documentary on real estate in Manhattan.

Too many things to think about. As a small time gentrifier myself the movie made me rethink my role in the changing landscape of real estate.

http://www.hbo.com/documentaries/class-d...

The filmmaker, himself a gentrifier, might be displaced by hypergentrification. Unless you have $ millions for an apartment plus the annual taxes and maintenance, the neighborhood is not for you.

http://www.nypress.com/local-news/201609...

For parents out there, have you heard of Avenues, The World School? It's going to be the school for the world elite opening in top cities, better than any international school
http://www.avenues.org/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avenues:...

Submitted by spdrun on February 22, 2017 - 7:25am.

FiH - the NYC bubble might have been pricked. Sales of high-end condos are falling, rents are falling in most wealthier areas.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on March 25, 2017 - 4:02pm.

The big metros drive the economy. That's where wealth is created

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worl...
Steve Bannon is so right. I have more in common with people in Berlin than people in Kansas.

“There are people in New York that feel closer to people in London and in Berlin than they do to people in Kansas and in Colorado,” Steven K. Bannon, now the White House's chief strategist, complained at a meeting with European conservatives three years ago. “And they have more of this elite mentality that they’re going to dictate to everybody how the world’s going to be run.”

Submitted by svelte on March 25, 2017 - 8:47pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
Steven K. Bannon, now the White House's chief strategist, complained at a meeting with European conservatives three years ago. “And they have more of this elite mentality that they’re going to dictate to everybody how the world’s going to be run.”

Oh give me a break. Rural folks think they are going to dictate also. They want to dictate who we can marry (anti-gay marriage). They want to spread Christianity and enforce it through law. They want to dictate what we put in our body (anti-MJ). And they want to dictate what medical procedures we have access to (anti-abortion).

No different that urban folk, just different issues. So don't feed me the BS that it's only the urban folk with a grand view on how the world should be....absolute rubbish.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on March 26, 2017 - 12:14pm.

svelte wrote:

Oh give me a break. Rural folks think they are going to dictate also. They want to dictate who we can marry (anti-gay marriage). They want to spread Christianity and enforce it through law. They want to dictate what we put in our body (anti-MJ). And they want to dictate what medical procedures we have access to (anti-abortion).

No different that urban folk, just different issues. So don't feed me the BS that it's only the urban folk with a grand view on how the world should be....absolute rubbish.

That is so true.

Rural folks want to impose retrograde values on all of us. They are very invested in those values and hang on very tight.

Problem with cosmopolitans is that we are complacent about hard-won rights. We take them for granted and move on, as we should because life goes on. But that complacency leads to period of setbacks. Thankfully, in the end progressive values always win. However, if it's something that affects you, then it sucks to be caught in those dark periods.

The nation state is not serving urbanites well. In the 21st century, the big educated cites of the world have shared values and much stronger economic and financial links, but we are kept apart. That's damaging freedom of movement and trade and inhibiting creativity and wealth generation.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on April 11, 2017 - 10:36am.

London after Brexit represents the ultimate rural urban devide. 21st century cosmopolitan values against porochial isolation.

Wonderful NYT article.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017...

Submitted by FlyerInHi on July 17, 2017 - 9:21am.

Another example of companies moving to urban areas. The internet is helping cities prosper.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/...

The migration to urban centers threatens the prosperity outlying suburbs have long enjoyed, bringing a dose of pain felt by rural communities and exacerbating stark gaps in earnings and wealth that Donald Trump capitalized on in winning the presidency.

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.