OT: Legal pot. Day one.

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Submitted by DataAgent on January 1, 2018 - 6:04pm

The lines are long. Someone is going to make a lot of money.

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Submitted by scaredyclassic on January 2, 2018 - 12:54am.

Legal is boring

Submitted by spdrun on January 2, 2018 - 7:14am.

The Netherlands have semi-legal pot, legal prostitution, you can drink in the street on New Year's. Definitely not boring.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on January 2, 2018 - 11:15am.

America is turning into a country of stoned slackers.
In low income neighborhoods you see so many people on disability who do nothing but smoke pot. They don’t work. Collect disability and smoke to alleviate pain (real or imaginary) which no wonder they have because of their obese fat asses. You smell the drugs everywhere.

Disability benefits is about $750 i think. In San Diego, where rents are high, people share apartments. But in Vegas, you see people rent at $400-500 and spend the rest on drugs. With some under the table dealing, they get by. They worry that the market rent has now moved up to $700 + $25 utilities so they resist/resent gentrification.

In rural areas like West Virginia, where pot is not even legal, people still find ways to get it. So no different. The disability payments go farther also.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on January 2, 2018 - 11:17am.

spdrun wrote:
The Netherlands have semi-legal pot, legal prostitution, you can drink in the street on New Year's. Definitely not boring.

I think the culture in Europe is different. The culture here is more hardcore addiction from food to drugs. I think because the social/urban architecture in America is isolating. Combine that with a “badass” and Puritan culture and addiction induced by high fructose corn and highly refined carb consumption since childhood.

I think people who buy 500 pill jars of Tylenol for pain at Costco will graduate to smoking pot and eating pot infused cookies.

Submitted by DataAgent on January 2, 2018 - 11:27am.

FlyerInHi][quote=spdrun wrote:

I think people who buy 500 pill jars of Tylenol for pain at Costco will graduate to smoking pot and eating pot infused cookies.

Tylenol is cheap in large quantities @ Costco. Legal pot is not. I've heard an ounce of pot sells for over $200.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on January 2, 2018 - 12:02pm.

DataAgent wrote:

Tylenol is cheap in large quantities @ Costco. Legal pot is not. I've heard an ounce of pot sells for over $200.

Good point. But I doubt people are paying that, legal or not.

I believe legalization will bring in people on the fence and more middle, upper middle class customers and normalize smoking. But once they get habituated, they will find lower cost supplies. Maybe grow the plants at home?

Submitted by FlyerInHi on January 2, 2018 - 12:15pm.

About real Estate, tenants must get permission from landlords.
Does anyone know the language to allow or forbid pot/drugs?

My for rent ads always say “absolutely no drugs/pot” but I never had anything in the rental agreement. I’m thinking best to prohibit to avoid any liability; and if they smoke without permission, you have one more reason to terminate if needed.

Submitted by spdrun on January 2, 2018 - 12:38pm.

Prohibit indoor smoking because it stinks. if people want to eat edibles, their own business.

Submitted by SK in CV on January 2, 2018 - 12:47pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:

I think people who buy 500 pill jars of Tylenol for pain at Costco will graduate to smoking pot and eating pot infused cookies.

Beyond the price, it's not gonna happen. Tylenol works reasonably well for occasional pain. And it doesn't decrease ability to function. Pot can work well for people with chronic pain. People with chronic pain are already not functioning normally. Almost no one eats pot more than once.

Submitted by The-Shoveler on January 2, 2018 - 12:53pm.

Some Condo's HOA's (and apartments) forbid smoking anywhere in the complex.

(inside the condo or outside on common areas).

Submitted by scaredyclassic on January 2, 2018 - 5:52pm.

check weedmaps.

pot can be had for less than 100 an oz, about 3 bucks and change a gram.

its so much stronger less is needed.

with a vaporizer, one can get all the thc.

people can get really intoxicated with less than .2 grams. about 60 cents worth.

this is dirt cheap intoxication.

but now that its legal, it will have 94% less appeal.

craft beer is much more fun

Submitted by FlyerInHi on January 2, 2018 - 6:49pm.

SK in CV wrote:
FlyerInHi wrote:

I think people who buy 500 pill jars of Tylenol for pain at Costco will graduate to smoking pot and eating pot infused cookies.

Beyond the price, it's not gonna happen. Tylenol works reasonably well for occasional pain. And it doesn't decrease ability to function. Pot can work well for people with chronic pain. People with chronic pain are already not functioning normally. Almost no one eats pot more than once.

I think a lot of people will do pot as pain remedy because the behavior will be normalized. And because they will “feel good”. And once they feel good, they will seek the feeling regularly. Just like eating food that is “sooo goood.”

If one takes Tylenol everyday, one suffers chronic pain in my opinion. Or maybe addiction to low level pain medication. Occasional would once every couple weeks or once a month.

We will see.

BTW, I support full legalization, but people have to be held responsible for their own decisions.

Submitted by spdrun on January 2, 2018 - 7:38pm.

If one takes Tylenol every day, they likely suffer from liver or kidney problems as well.

Submitted by njtosd on January 3, 2018 - 12:44am.

FlyerInHi wrote:

I think people who buy 500 pill jars of Tylenol for pain at Costco will graduate to smoking pot and eating pot infused cookies.

I don't go to Costco, but I do buy large jars of Tylenol (actually, generic acetaminophen) because I'm cheap. It lasts forever. No interest in pot. Plus, since I practice federal law, I have to be very careful. http://www.callawyer.com/2016/12/attorne...

Submitted by njtosd on January 3, 2018 - 12:53am.

spdrun wrote:
If one takes Tylenol every day, they likely suffer from liver or kidney problems as well.

Liver. Acetaminophen is the most common cause of acute liver failure in the U.S. https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/8...
No effect on kidneys unless liver is already dying.

But pot likely causes depression and helps in the development of mental illness, so, literally, pick your poison.

Submitted by njtosd on January 3, 2018 - 12:57am.

FlyerInHi wrote:
About real Estate, tenants must get permission from landlords.
Does anyone know the language to allow or forbid pot/drugs?

My for rent ads always say “absolutely no drugs/pot” but I never had anything in the rental agreement. I’m thinking best to prohibit to avoid any liability; and if they smoke without permission, you have one more reason to terminate if needed.

WRT pot, I would include it in the no smoking rules that I would assume you already have in place. Frankly, I would worry about the fire issue more than the smell. Also, my guess is that you could use the security deposit to rehabilitate the smell in the apartment after they leave as well (assuming that they smoke in violation of the rental agreement). I don't practice real estate law, though, so you should check that one out.

Submitted by SK in CV on January 3, 2018 - 7:31am.

FlyerInHi wrote:

I think a lot of people will do pot as pain remedy because the behavior will be normalized. And because they will “feel good”. And once they feel good, they will seek the feeling regularly. Just like eating food that is “sooo goood.”

If one takes Tylenol everyday, one suffers chronic pain in my opinion. Or maybe addiction to low level pain medication. Occasional would once every couple weeks or once a month.

We will see.

BTW, I support full legalization, but people have to be held responsible for their own decisions.

Have you never smoked pot? It is not addictive.

Do you think your opinion is as valid as...I dunno, science?

There are a lot of problems associated with too frequent use of both acetaminophen and ibuprofen, but both are highly effective pain relievers and neither is addictive, and neither causes chronic pain. Fortunately, science doesn't really give a shit about your opinion.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on January 3, 2018 - 9:06am.

njtosd wrote:

But pot likely causes depression and helps in the development of mental illness, so, literally, pick your poison.

Interesting you should mention mental illness.
One of my young cousins, who incidentally has a PhD in bioscience, used to smoke pot as a student. He said it made him paranoid to the point of hearing voices. He didn’t like that feeling.

I’ve dealt with many people who I suspect do drugs. They seem to believe in conspiracies and that people are plotting to rig the system against them.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on January 3, 2018 - 12:54pm.

SK in CV wrote:

Have you never smoked pot? It is not addictive.

Do you think your opinion is as valid as...I dunno, science?

There are a lot of problems associated with too frequent use of both acetaminophen and ibuprofen, but both are highly effective pain relievers and neither is addictive, and neither causes chronic pain. Fortunately, science doesn't really give a shit about your opinion.

Addictive in a scientific definition, maybe not.

But habit forming, yes. Mild to strong cravings that will cause higher consumption, definitely . Maybe like salt or sugar or ice cream. I once ran into my neighbor at midnight. He was running out to get a bag of potato chips! Don’t you think people will do that for pot? I bet the dispensaries will open 24 hours, if allowed.

I don’t do pot and I pride myself on not desiring things. I have controlled my food consumption to what people would consider very bland. I will soon become a Buddhist monk, haha. But that can’t happen because I’m too opinionated and lack humility.

I don’t expect people to live like me, but I know human nature is about cravings. You have to work to overcome.

BTW I know people who want to invest in a dispensary and we were looking around but it’s not easy to get into business. And I have been to several dispensaries. The ones in Vegas are beautiful. They are multi million dollar businesses open 24 hours.

Oh, acetaminophen and ibuprofen don’t cause chronic pain. But if one needs a pill several times a week for months or years, then one does suffer chronic pain.
I don’t know what the medical definition of chronic pain is... but to me, it’s an ongoing condition requiring medication.

I’m also of the belief that regular pain medicine over sensitizes the body to normal minor aches. When I remodel my properties, I have some aches which go away naturally in a couple days. No need for pain medication. But I’m sure people are tempted to pop a pill or smoke a joint because they can. All the more power to them... but there could be consequences.

Submitted by SK in CV on January 3, 2018 - 3:29pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:

But habit forming, yes. Mild to strong cravings that will cause higher consumption, definitely . Maybe like salt or sugar or ice cream. I once ran into my neighbor at midnight. He was running out to get a bag of potato chips! Don’t you think people will do that for pot?

No. They may smoke some pot and run out for some chips. They won't run out for pot. People who smoke pot are meticulous in their planning. They would never run out.

That's a joke.

No, absolutely not. Nobody has withdrawals because they don't have any pot. Nobody needs it that badly. It doesn't make anyone feel as good as cocaine. Or heroin. Or meth. It's more like acid. I've known people that did a FT of acid. (Decades ago. I don't know if anyone does acid anymore.) They liked it. They never craved it.

If you don't know something, there's no reason to just make shit up and then call it your belief.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on January 3, 2018 - 3:43pm.

Son, never trust a man who doesn’t drink because he’s probably a self-righteous sort, a man who thinks he knows right from wrong all the time. Some of them are good men, but in the name of goodness, they cause most of the suffering in the world. They’re the judges, the meddlers. And, son, never trust a man who drinks but refuses to get drunk. They’re usually afraid of something deep down inside, either that they’re a coward or a fool or mean and violent. You can’t trust a man who’s afraid of himself. But sometimes, son, you can trust a man who occasionally kneels before a toilet. The chances are that he is learning something about humility and his natural human foolishness, about how to survive himself. It’s damned hard for a man to take himself too seriously when he’s heaving his guts into a dirty toilet bowl.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on January 3, 2018 - 4:34pm.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.newsweek....

psychedelic mushrooms up next on ballot.

i plan to work to help it.

Submitted by SK in CV on January 3, 2018 - 8:29pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
Son, never trust a man who doesn’t drink because he’s probably a self-righteous sort, a man who thinks he knows right from wrong all the time. Some of them are good men, but in the name of goodness, they cause most of the suffering in the world. They’re the judges, the meddlers. And, son, never trust a man who drinks but refuses to get drunk. They’re usually afraid of something deep down inside, either that they’re a coward or a fool or mean and violent. You can’t trust a man who’s afraid of himself. But sometimes, son, you can trust a man who occasionally kneels before a toilet. The chances are that he is learning something about humility and his natural human foolishness, about how to survive himself. It’s damned hard for a man to take himself too seriously when he’s heaving his guts into a dirty toilet bowl.

That's one of the finest paragraphs I've read.

Submitted by mixxalot on January 4, 2018 - 6:27pm.

I don't smoke pot never have and never will. I hate the smell and it is a drug that offers me zero benefit over cheap legal things like coffee.

Where I rent, it is illegal to smoke pot.

Submitted by spdrun on January 4, 2018 - 6:33pm.

Is it illegal to ingest it?

Submitted by La Jolla Renter on January 4, 2018 - 6:48pm.

SK in CV wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
Son, never trust a man who doesn’t drink because he’s probably a self-righteous sort, a man who thinks he knows right from wrong all the time. Some of them are good men, but in the name of goodness, they cause most of the suffering in the world. They’re the judges, the meddlers. And, son, never trust a man who drinks but refuses to get drunk. They’re usually afraid of something deep down inside, either that they’re a coward or a fool or mean and violent. You can’t trust a man who’s afraid of himself. But sometimes, son, you can trust a man who occasionally kneels before a toilet. The chances are that he is learning something about humility and his natural human foolishness, about how to survive himself. It’s damned hard for a man to take himself too seriously when he’s heaving his guts into a dirty toilet bowl.

That's one of the finest paragraphs I've read.

Agreed, love it. Especially, when I haven't check this site in a few months and get this gem in the first minute.

Submitted by DataAgent on January 4, 2018 - 6:47pm.

When CO first legalized pot, no one was prepared for the heavy demand for pot edibles. I haven't seen any numbers here yet, but I bet edibles will do well. Take 'em to the beach and watch the sunset.

Submitted by SK in CV on January 4, 2018 - 9:15pm.

DataAgent wrote:
When CO first legalized pot, no one was prepared for the heavy demand for pot edibles. I haven't seen any numbers here yet, but I bet edibles will do well. Take 'em to the beach and watch the sunset.

No, they won't. In Vegas, where it's legal, 25% of sales are edibles. An awful lot of people who have never tried it, figure eating it is the best way. Sounds like a good idea. So Friday night, they eat a gummy bear. And nothing happens. So an hour later, they eat another gummy bear. And again nothing happens, so they eat a 3rd gummy bear. And by the end of hour 3, they're so f'ing high, they're not sure if they're dreaming. And Sunday, about noon, and their flight leaves in a few hours, they finally come down. And they'll never do pot again.

In AZ, where only medicinal is legal, it makes up around 5% of the market. Very few repeat customers. I don't know whether the numbers are different in Colorado, but I have seen actual numbers from multiple AZ dispensaries.

And it makes sense. Why would anyone want to take something that is supposed to make them feel good, but it takes 2 or more hours to take effect and it lasts way too long, but they can smoke or vape it, and it takes 2 minutes or less and most of the effect is gone in an hour.

Submitted by DataAgent on January 4, 2018 - 10:24pm.

SK in CV wrote:
DataAgent wrote:
When CO first legalized pot, no one was prepared for the heavy demand for pot edibles. I haven't seen any numbers here yet, but I bet edibles will do well. Take 'em to the beach and watch the sunset.

No, they won't. In Vegas, where it's legal, 25% of sales are edibles.

CNBC ran a series about the early days of the pot industry in Colorado a few years ago. On that series, they often said no one expected there to be much of a market for pot edibles. As it turned out, the demand for pot edibles was hard to keep up with. I have no hard numbers. Maybe it was just 'fake news.'

Submitted by flu on January 4, 2018 - 11:04pm.

Not that I plan on having this problem....

Per CA law, you're allowed to possess MJ in your car, right?

What if you cross the San Ysidro checkpoint, get stopped, and they search and find you have MJ in your car.

Doesn't federal law trump (no pun intended) state law?

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