HOA restrictions in Temecula area

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Submitted by Consideringoptions on April 4, 2016 - 4:13pm

Hello everyone,

I am new to this forum, so I hope I get posting right.

My husband and I fell in love with the Meadowview area of Temecula, but realized it has a HOA when we researched more. So now I have a two part question:

1. Are the HOAs in Temecula intense with the CCRs (I think that is what they are called, the rules)? I don't mind at all paying a fee for maintaining community services. However, I don't really want everything about my property dictated by the will of the HOA. I kind of assume that there is a standard HOA contract, but enforceability varies. So are Temecula HOAs (Meadoview specifically, but any of them really) strongly enforced? Hope that question makes sense.

2. Are there any other areas with a similar feel to Meadowview that do not have a HOA or at least more relaxed rules? We are looking for maybe around a .25-.75 acre lot, but still want to know our neighbors and have our child be able to play outside with the neighborhood kids. Does this exist?

Any thoughts are very much appreciated. We are still a ways from moving, but this was the only southern ca city that has really excited us so far in our search.

Also, if any interracial couples have input on how comfortable they feel in Temecula, I would love feedback on that. My husband is Hispanic/Asian and I am white. We never had an issue in Central Ca, so I would think we wouldn't in southern ca. But it is certainly something I would want to be aware of prior to moving.

Thank You for any feedback.

Submitted by njtosd on April 4, 2016 - 5:28pm.

I don't generally like HOAs, but this makes the one at Meadowview look interesting - and I love the "sheep thrills" pun in the article. http://www.pe.com/articles/sheep-696568-...

Try searching for lawsuits that involve the Meadowview Community Association. It will give you an idea of whether people get frustrated with them, and if so, about what.

Submitted by bearishgurl on April 4, 2016 - 5:32pm.

njtosd wrote:
I don't generally like HOAs, but this makes the one at Meadowview look interesting - and I love the "sheep thrills" pun in the article.
http://www.pe.com/articles/sheep-696568-...

IIRC, SD used goats to clear the hills behind Scripps Ranch about a year after the Cedar fires.

Submitted by harvey on April 4, 2016 - 6:38pm.

My wife and I are an interracial couple in Temecula. Our background is not much different from your situation, except I'm the white guy. Temecula is generally conservative but not backwards. You'll be fine.

We've been in Temecula many years but only know a couple of families that live in Meadowview. I don't have any specific knowledge of their HOAs. If you are looking for something similar without HOA there is of course "wine country" which is a large area with varying rural character.

Wherever you settle, welcome to Temecula!

Submitted by Consideringoptions on April 4, 2016 - 6:50pm.

Thank you! I figured it would be fine, but I definitely want to live somewhere welcoming of various cultures.

We will check out some of the other areas (if there are homes we can afford) and see what we find.

Submitted by Consideringoptions on April 4, 2016 - 6:51pm.

Consideringoptions wrote:
Thank you! I figured it would be fine, but I definitely want to live somewhere welcoming of various cultures.

We will check out some of the other areas (if there are homes we can afford) and see what we find.

And I see I did this wrong. This was in reply to Harvey :)

Submitted by Consideringoptions on April 4, 2016 - 6:52pm.

njtosd wrote:
I don't generally like HOAs, but this makes the one at Meadowview look interesting - and I love the "sheep thrills" pun in the article. http://www.pe.com/articles/sheep-696568-...

Try searching for lawsuits that involve the Meadowview Community Association. It will give you an idea of whether people get frustrated with them, and if so, about what.

That's a good idea. I've never lived in a HOA community and am wary of them. We just loved the feel of the neighborhood (which may be because of the very HOA I fear)

Submitted by scaredyclassic on April 4, 2016 - 8:43pm.

We're a mexi-jew couple in temecula with mexi-jew kids. No problems in 14 years.

Meadowview is where I wanted to buy but my wife said I was too messy for an HOA. It does look tidy. There's nowhere quite like it in the area for smaller big lots.

Can walk to chaparral hs. Awesome.

OverallPerfect location IMO.

Submitted by Consideringoptions on April 4, 2016 - 9:10pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
We're a mexi-jew couple in temecula with mexi-jew kids. No problems in 14 years.

Meadowview is where I wanted to buy but my wife said I was too messy for an HOA. It does look tidy. There's nowhere quite like it in the area for smaller big lots.

Can walk to chaparral hs. Awesome.

OverallPerfect location IMO.

Thank you for your response. It is great to see a lot of diversity responding. Makes me feel confident my daughter will be in good company :)

And I am not super familiar with the area, but I agree the location looked perfect. It is just that HOA that has us hung up. The idea of someone else telling other adults what to do with their property is hard to wrap my head around (full disclosure: we have never been homeowners before).

Submitted by scaredyclassic on April 4, 2016 - 10:42pm.

The pool is beautiful there. Let the HOA clean it. I hate dealing with my pool. Actually, now I remember making an offer on a perfect Meadowview house. On the meadow. Bid a little too low. Was so sad. Should've come in stronger. Then I'd be in Meadowview right now!!!

Wine country is OK but I prefer Meadowview.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on April 5, 2016 - 12:11pm.

I feel for you scaredy. I used to have to deal with a pool.
Unless you are willing to pay whatever it takes for someone else to take care of your pool, it's not worth having one.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on April 5, 2016 - 12:18pm.

I think that temecula was a destination for White conservative middle-class escapees from LA and SD. But in the last couple decades, it has come into it's own.
I have the impression that Temecula is still more conservative than Orange County which was once represented by conservative firebrand Bob Dorman. Things have come a long way in the last couple decades.

Submitted by bearishgurl on April 5, 2016 - 12:25pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
I feel for you scaredy. I used to have to deal with a pool.
Unless you are willing to pay whatever it takes for someone else to take care of your pool, it's not worth having one.
I've had backyard pools as well and yes, they are a source of constant maintenance and can be a $$$ drain over the years in parts, maintenance and utilities. I prefer the Y where, for $40 month, an olympic sized pool and 20-person jacuzzi is maintained (and preheated) FOR me, in addition to having access to circuit training and a multitude of classes.

Submitted by Consideringoptions on April 5, 2016 - 1:15pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
I feel for you scaredy. I used to have to deal with a pool.
Unless you are willing to pay whatever it takes for someone else to take care of your pool, it's not worth having one.

Good to have all these opinions on a pool. I haven't given it much thought, but will bring it up to my husband.

Submitted by Consideringoptions on April 5, 2016 - 2:05pm.

Thanks for your feedback. Conservative is fine (we lived in central ca for several years) as long as conservative isn't code for racist. From the feedback I've gotten here, most Temecula residents (temeculans?) have no issues with interracial couples.

Edit: And I keep messing up posting. This was in reply to flyerinhi regarding Temecula being conservative.

Submitted by ucodegen on April 5, 2016 - 4:41pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
The pool is beautiful there. Let the HOA clean it. I hate dealing with my pool. Actually, now I remember making an offer on a perfect Meadowview house. On the meadow. Bid a little too low. Was so sad. Should've come in stronger. Then I'd be in Meadowview right now!!!

Wine country is OK but I prefer Meadowview.


The 'Y' uses a 'robot' to clean their pools. I saw them place it after pool hours -- and watched it work. It looked like it had more 'smarts' than the typical automatic pool cleaner. It didn't stay at the bottom of the pool.

Add the cleaner and solar to handle the pool pump bills and you should be fairly good. If you want, you can add an automatic chlorinators/pH balancing system.

I don't think there will be much of a problem with interracial couples on the West Coast. There was a lot of mixing occurring on the west coast during the '60s, so the entire area from Mexican border to the Canadian border on the west coast is safe. There may be some inland areas in California, Oregon and Washington that may see fewer interracial couples, but not enough to cause problems. Even Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas don't have that many issues for interracial couples. I would be careful with Idaho, Montana and possible Wyoming though.

I am also one of the interracial (and interpolitic) couples. I have found that issues have followed patterns and have largely died down in S.D. and the places I mentioned above.

Submitted by Rich Toscano on April 5, 2016 - 2:36pm.

Consideringoptions wrote:
Thanks for your feedback. Conservative is fine (we lived in central ca for several years) as long as conservative isn't code for racist. From the feedback I've gotten here, most Temecula residents (temeculans?) have no issues with interracial couples.

Edit: And I keep messing up posting. This was in reply to flyerinhi regarding Temecula being conservative.

Hi Consideringoptions - It sounds like you want to include the post you are replying to, like I did above? If so, you can hit "quote" instead of "reply" when you are responding to a post.

Rich

Submitted by creechrr on April 5, 2016 - 5:14pm.

I've lived in Temecula since 2011 without issue. I'm of African descent (black - I hate labels) and my wife is Asian. We have two kids and haven't had any overt or questionable circumstances regarding race. In fact, most of the kids tend to be very welcoming to my sons. In another generation or two, we may have this race thing licked...at least in SoCal.

One of the things that really stood out to me and wasn't expecting, the level of wholesomeness and respect that the kids have here. In some cases almost to a fault.

Submitted by joec on April 5, 2016 - 6:09pm.

There is a lot of hate with HOA's, but if you aren't really into doing stuff to your house, sometimes the HOA is the best thing. No cars lifted up on jacks in the street, no cars parked on the front lawn, god awful ugly color houses, etc etc etc...

In southern CA, in most places, I doubt mixed races will get much of a second look here. Of course, parents may say or have thoughts about it, but I doubt random people in the area here care much since it's everywhere.

Being Asian, I notice for some reason tons of Asian guys/white wives...Not sure why there though.

Submitted by spdrun on April 5, 2016 - 6:50pm.

Funny. The stereotypical pairings are:

Black guy/White woman
White guy/Asian woman
Latino/Anyone

But I guess Asian guys have to date/marry someone as well :)

IDK - I like the idea of cars up on jacks. I'd want to be able to work on mine without being harassed/fined by some HOA putz who needs a two-fisted 'tude adjustment...

As far as house paint, make my neighbors' houses road-cone orange, please!

Submitted by Consideringoptions on April 6, 2016 - 3:49pm.

creechrr wrote:
I've lived in Temecula since 2011 without issue. I'm of African descent (black - I hate labels) and my wife is Asian. We have two kids and haven't had any overt or questionable circumstances regarding race. In fact, most of the kids tend to be very welcoming to my sons. In another generation or two, we may have this race thing licked...at least in SoCal.

One of the things that really stood out to me and wasn't expecting, the level of wholesomeness and respect that the kids have here. In some cases almost to a fault.

That's great to hear about respectful kids. And that everyone has been welcoming. Thanks for the feedback :)

Submitted by Consideringoptions on April 6, 2016 - 3:55pm.

joec wrote:
There is a lot of hate with HOA's, but if you aren't really into doing stuff to your house, sometimes the HOA is the best thing. No cars lifted up on jacks in the street, no cars parked on the front lawn, god awful ugly color houses, etc etc etc...

In southern CA, in most places, I doubt mixed races will get much of a second look here. Of course, parents may say or have thoughts about it, but I doubt random people in the area here care much since it's everywhere.

Being Asian, I notice for some reason tons of Asian guys/white wives...Not sure why there though.

Good point about HOA benefits. We would probably not be affected by the rules all that much.

And I generally agree about the mixed races not getting a second look. I just wanted opinions from the area. And it seems pretty unanimous that I do not need to be concerned.

Submitted by temeculaguy on April 7, 2016 - 12:20am.

I know many residents of Meadowview, one is an original, in fact I went to a wedding 22 years ago at the clubhouse. I'm going golfing with 2 of them this weekend, including the guy who got married there. I'll ask them about the HOA, but these are not casual friends, they are the type I talk to weekly and vacation with, I've never heard one complaint about the HOA from them so far, but I'll ask. I mirror what many said, if you want a moderate amount of land without being too far out of town, meadowview is an excellent choice. Also Santiago Estates and Los Ranchitos are similar in the fact that are in town, all customs and on land.

As far as kids to play with in walking distance, it will be a bot hit and miss because of the high prices compared to tract homes, the age of the homes and the distance between homes. My friends that live there all empty nesters or grandparents. But they did raise their children there and liked it for kids at the time.

Interracial couple? I've been living with the same woman for 4 years here in Temecula and am marrying her this summer. I'm white and she's Mexican. I never thought about being an interracial couple, so that should be an answer all by itself as to how it is to be one here, I've never encountered anything to the point I don't even realize it. It is such a non issue I had to think about it and inventory our friends and neighbors in town. I think it's close to 50% would qualify as interracial, never heard one mention of them complaining about being treated any different and I would think they would say something, even if just to vent, because we are in the same boat.

As far as your kids are concerned, I wouldn't worry. Racism still exists everywhere to some extent but kids today or maybe it's just kids here seem to not even take it into account. You'll see groups of kids around here not divided by race, my kids hung out with kids from all different races. Mine are grown but their roommates at college that they chose are of different races and they never even think enough of it to mention it. I'm assuming their environment played a part in their color blindness.

Your kids sounds typical for the valley and coincidentally one of the valley's favorite sons has a similar genetic make-up. It's fitting because the Master's starts tomorrow. Rickie Yutaka Fowler, the #5 golfer in the world was raised in this valley, just a few miles from meadowview and is white, asian and native american mixed. He's a celebrity most places, but especially here in his hometown (he went to murrieta high). Maybe you should get your kids golf lessons perhaps they have a genetic advantage, was that racist of me to say? I wish I was more genetically similar to Rickie since I am golfing this this weekend.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rickie_Fowler

Submitted by scaredyclassic on April 7, 2016 - 7:21am.

Oh right. I forgot about Los ranchitos and Santiago Estates. Those are nice also.

Definitely worth checking those out too.

Submitted by Consideringoptions on April 7, 2016 - 8:47am.

temeculaguy wrote:
I know many residents of Meadowview, one is an original, in fact I went to a wedding 22 years ago at the clubhouse. I'm going golfing with 2 of them this weekend, including the guy who got married there. I'll ask them about the HOA, but these are not casual friends, they are the type I talk to weekly and vacation with, I've never heard one complaint about the HOA from them so far, but I'll ask. I mirror what many said, if you want a moderate amount of land without being too far out of town, meadowview is an excellent choice. Also Santiago Estates and Los Ranchitos are similar in the fact that are in town, all customs and on land.

As far as kids to play with in walking distance, it will be a bot hit and miss because of the high prices compared to tract homes, the age of the homes and the distance between homes. My friends that live there all empty nesters or grandparents. But they did raise their children there and liked it for kids at the time.

Interracial couple? I've been living with the same woman for 4 years here in Temecula and am marrying her this summer. I'm white and she's Mexican. I never thought about being an interracial couple, so that should be an answer all by itself as to how it is to be one here, I've never encountered anything to the point I don't even realize it. It is such a non issue I had to think about it and inventory our friends and neighbors in town. I think it's close to 50% would qualify as interracial, never heard one mention of them complaining about being treated any different and I would think they would say something, even if just to vent, because we are in the same boat.

As far as your kids are concerned, I wouldn't worry. Racism still exists everywhere to some extent but kids today or maybe it's just kids here seem to not even take it into account. You'll see groups of kids around here not divided by race, my kids hung out with kids from all different races. Mine are grown but their roommates at college that they chose are of different races and they never even think enough of it to mention it. I'm assuming their environment played a part in their color blindness.

Your kids sounds typical for the valley and coincidentally one of the valley's favorite sons has a similar genetic make-up. It's fitting because the Master's starts tomorrow. Rickie Yutaka Fowler, the #5 golfer in the world was raised in this valley, just a few miles from meadowview and is white, asian and native american mixed. He's a celebrity most places, but especially here in his hometown (he went to murrieta high). Maybe you should get your kids golf lessons perhaps they have a genetic advantage, was that racist of me to say? I wish I was more genetically similar to Rickie since I am golfing this this weekend.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rickie_Fowler

Thank you for your thorough response! I will check out the similar areas you mentioned. It's good to know that you haven't heard any complaints about the HOA there.

And I am loving the unanimous vote that Temecula is diverse and my daughter will be in good company. It's not something I thought about too much before having kids, but now I am definitely looking for an area where there's a good amount of diversity while still having a more calm pace of life. I grew up on the coast and it just seems too packed with people. They tear down one home and build three on the lot. I am not a fan of that.

Good point that the tract homes will likely have more kids. If we found the right community, I am not opposed to that either. We just saw Meadowview and really felt at home.

And your golf comment made me laugh :)

Submitted by sellshomes on February 24, 2017 - 2:22pm.

Hi There,

Looks like you got your answer, but as HOA's go Meadowview HOA is not that restrictive. You get alot of benefits for pretty low HOA cost. I've been a resident for over 8 years and am a realtor, so if you still have any area questions or anything about Meadowview feel free to ask!

Submitted by spdrun on February 24, 2017 - 3:10pm.

Looks like this interesting thread got re-opened by a spammer. I wonder about Oregon -- weren't they historically racist to the point of having a law prohibiting Blacks from settling or buying land? This went on till the 20s or 30s.

Submitted by ucodegen on February 24, 2017 - 11:20pm.

spdrun wrote:
Looks like this interesting thread got re-opened by a spammer. I wonder about Oregon -- weren't they historically racist to the point of having a law prohibiting Blacks from settling or buying land? This went on till the 20s or 30s.

Actually it was a bit worse than that. Until 1967 laws against interracial marriage existed - as well as co-mingling of races (damn those miscegenated people https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3eTSbC3... ). 1967 US Supreme Court ruled Loving v Virginia - anti-miscegenation laws are unconstitutional.

Supreme Court of California ruled against bans on interracial marriages in 1948.

Submitted by spdrun on February 25, 2017 - 12:06am.

I know about the 1967 decision, in fact, it's a very personal issue to me.

A work colleague got off about how Supreme Court shouldn't make law, and I gave him a bit of a speech recently.

Submitted by tnuomarap on February 25, 2017 - 1:11am.

I'm considering moving to Inglewood (LA area) - does anyone know if that is a diverse area?

Also, Temecula *used* to be conservative. The city just voted to raise it's sales tax to 9% - higher than San Francisco.

Submitted by temeculaguy on February 25, 2017 - 3:14am.

You should start a new thread for that question as Inglewood and Temecula are far from each other in both distance and crime rates. These are polar opposites and your comment on Temecula's lack conservatism while contemplating Inglewood as an option has me worried you are not from these parts.

To answer your question about Inglewood, you must first define "diverse."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inglewood,...

In 2000 it was 47% African American and 46% Hispanic, according to wikipedia it has been shifting more towards Hispanics in recent years. In some circles that would be considered incredibly diverse, but in other circles having two races comprise almost all of it's inhabitants would be seen as not very diverse. I guess it all depends on what you define diversity as. If you are African American or Hispanic it might seem fine but if you were the only Asian person there, you might not feel the same level of "diversity."

When relocating, you should look into all sorts of data, Inglewood has some of the highest crime rates in California, some of the lowest home ownership rates and college education rates. Like all places, there are good and bad places to live in any city so my suggestion is to visit the area both day and night before relocating there.

Now on the issue of criminal street gangs, there is less diversity as the bloods seem to have more gangs, there are 9 blood gangs, 5 crip gangs and 7 hispanic gangs. For a town of a little more than 100k, I'd say that's too many blood gangs for the overall balance of power.

http://www.streetgangs.com/crips/inglewo...

http://www.streetgangs.com/bloods/inglew...

http://www.streetgangs.com/hispanic/ingl...

My apologies for any sarcasm, but where are you relocating from and what were you looking for?

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