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Let me be contrarian here. I’m just as appalled by the 30k that each of the protesters received. They completely blocked all paths the police officers could take to leave the area and were each individually warned, in advance, that they were going to be pepper sprayed if they did not allow them to pass. Then they got sprayed just as they were warned and still won $30k each.

You can’t impede the cop’s ability to leave an area. The alternative was to physically break the human chain they had created. That would have resulted in injuries.

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Send me a private message describing the invention and I will take it from there.

Doug

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Paramount, your problem is that you cannot clearly state anything that has happened. You start by calling the law the “show me your papers law”. If you are a US citizen, there are no papers to show. Very inaccurate description of the law, but you use it to try and mischaracterize the law. As I posted earlier, when traveling in Europe, you must also carry and show your immigration docs to officials and even at some hotels. I was a guest of those countries and followed their rules. No big deal.

Please explain your statement below and what suspicion-less detainment the SC affirmed.

Paramount stated: What I’m referring to is suspicion-less detainment and seizures that the activist supreme court eagerly affirmed in part to strengthen the police state agenda.

No such thing was done. Only after a lawful stop or encounter can a law enforcement officer determine immigration status. If they ask for “papers”, they are only referring to legal immigrants who are already required to carry and show their immigration docs as a condition of being here. They are free not to “carry papers” back in their own
country.

If stops or encounters are unlawful, those need to be taken to court.

You are king of the straw man argument. Get your facts straight and then someone can have a rational discussion with you.

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Anyone that gets through, gets through is not much of a policy for the BP. Kind of figured as much.

The rest of your solution is nothing new, but is in the hands of the politicians. I earlier stated that the incentive for illegal aliens should be taken away.

I believe that I stated your initial stop was not random as that is the definition of the checkpoint. Everyone approaches and is “seized” (you and I would probably refer to it as detained, SC uses the word seized) whether or not they stop or roll through at the direction of the agent.

I find it hard to believe, even though you assert otherwise, that you do not project a demeanor that wants to engage. I have never pulled up to the agent and been held longer than 20 seconds.

I agree with you that the checkpoints are not ideal. I just do not think that you properly weigh all the factors that the SC figured in when ruling that immigration checkpoints are legal. Again, I point out that in their rulings, you can clearly see that much thought was given towards finding the solution that is the least intrusive into your Rights.

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Just to be clear, the Border Patrol does not check anyone while they come through the ports of entry. Customs agents do that. BP agents are arresting people that skirt around the fence, run, hide, and jump into vehicles that are driven by US citizens, legal immigrants, and other illegal aliens. Those smugglers use the roads that other citizens use everyday. The checkpoints are there as a layered approach to help control an area. When you come up to a checkpoint, each agent should be wondering if you are legally in the country and whether you are potentially smuggling. Simple questions as you have described are not easy to answer when someone is nervous and trying to be evasive, such as when someone is smuggling. I doubt there are orders to harass as you suggest.

For the record, a checkpoint stop and a vehicle stop are not the same thing in the eyes of the law. Different levels of suspicion are needed and your initial stop at the checkpoint was not random as everyone entered the checkpoint. Contrary to your assertion, a policeman, during a lawful traffic stop, can engage you and ask you
questions.

If you have read the court rulings that have given the checkpoints their authority, then surely you would see how the Supreme Court took a lot of care in trying to balance everyone’s Constitutional Rights, public safety, and the need to secure the border.

I can understand that checkpoints aren’t considered ideal, but I would love to hear your solution on how to catch those entering illegally.

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Submitted by spdrun on June 27, 2012 – 1:58pm.
Story to tell — this crap doesn’t only happen in AZ:
I was driving from AZ to CA, and I took the scenic route to San Diego about 2 years ago. I’m pretty much straight-up white, but I was pulled over by Border Pigs twice.

As you can see from the above quote, you labelled each set of Border Patrol Agents as Border Pigs even though you thought the first detention was handled well. It wasn’t the personal questions that brought the swine reference you tried to spin.

Border Patrol Agents are allowed to look for other violations of the law while you are at the checkpoint. As you must know, you drove within a 1/4 mile of the border in those locations and those roads are commonly used to leave the area by smugglers.

Agents can ask questions and you are free not to answer. It just might take a little longer to do their job. While you are waiting, they are still getting paid. I can assure you that your protest is no skin off any agents back. Feel free to continue, but do not think you are making anyone’s life unpleasant except your own.

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I happen to know a lot about this subject…..

A US citizen does not have to “show papers”. The law was labeled with that name by people that do not like it in order to fire people up. That seems to have worked. A law enforcement officer, after making a lawful stop, would make a determination of alienage using a number of factors to decide the veracity of the individual’s claim. Also on the stop, he could and probably would run each occupant for warrants during the stop. Not much different.

There is no database for determining US citizenship. It would be based on a number of factors, the first of which might be simply asking the individual if they are a US citizen. An answer of no would lead to the next question of seeing their immigration documents to legally be in the US.

It is US federal law that legal immigrants must carry their immigration documents on them at all times. On a side note, I went to 4 Euro countries last year and had to show and carry my immigration documents at all times. I didn’t call their policemen “swine” or rail about the tyranny and didn’t seem to have any problems.

If law enforcement officers are making unlawful stops. Use the court system to correct those abuses.

To reiterate, US citizens do not need to “show papers”, legal immigrants do need to show their immigration documents, and illegal aliens need to be sent home no matter who makes the lawful encounter. Unlawful encounters should be taken to court. Politicians should address our country’s immigration law and produce a comprehensive policy that does not encourage illegal immigration.

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Although there is a story with his Asian descent and being a Harvard player, I think the real story is that a player that went undrafted, is an unknown, was cut by 2 teams last year pulls a losing team from the bottom of the NBA after both of its so called “stars” are out.

In a week, he has given a high profile franchise the hope it has been looking for during at least the past decade. Shortly, the two “stars” are going to have to come back to Lin’s team and try to assimilate to what he is doing. He also can stop sleeping on his brother’s couch. Oh yeah, and as another poster mentioned, he torched Kobe which is awesome.

Also seems to be a good guy and taking everything very humbly. Hard not to be excited about and root for him.

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No hyperinflation in sight. Only periodic bouts of deflation ahead, followed by periods of slow growth. Low rates of return will be the norm. We are following the Japanese model of the last 20 years.

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We’ve all heard the stories of people that have lost fortunes. I can’t think of any of those that I have read where the person had a paid off house. Not saying it couldn’t happen, but…..

The best question on this thread right now asked Matt what he would do with the 500k if he didn’t pay off the house. Not an easy answer for me.

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We’ve all heard the stories of people that have lost fortunes. I can’t think of any of those that I have read where the person had a paid off house. Not saying it couldn’t happen, but…..

The best question on this thread right now asked Matt what he would do with the 500k if he didn’t pay off the house. Not an easy answer for me.

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We’ve all heard the stories of people that have lost fortunes. I can’t think of any of those that I have read where the person had a paid off house. Not saying it couldn’t happen, but…..

The best question on this thread right now asked Matt what he would do with the 500k if he didn’t pay off the house. Not an easy answer for me.

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We’ve all heard the stories of people that have lost fortunes. I can’t think of any of those that I have read where the person had a paid off house. Not saying it couldn’t happen, but…..

The best question on this thread right now asked Matt what he would do with the 500k if he didn’t pay off the house. Not an easy answer for me.

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We’ve all heard the stories of people that have lost fortunes. I can’t think of any of those that I have read where the person had a paid off house. Not saying it couldn’t happen, but…..

The best question on this thread right now asked Matt what he would do with the 500k if he didn’t pay off the house. Not an easy answer for me.

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I love having my house paid off. You will be able to save $2500/mth in not having a mortgage, plus gain about $2500/$3000 month in rent while you are not there. That is $60K/yr you will be able to save, plus whatever else you save with the higher paying job you took. You will still be able to deduct expenses, taxes, and depreciation against your rental income.

In the early 90s, the Japanese probably thought their interest rates would rise also. They’re still waiting. We are in a deflationary cycle as credit contracts around the world.

Take the security and move on. I still have money in a savings account that I am looking to invest. It is, in my opinion, a difficult and frustrating time in history to invest money and be sure you are doing the right thing. If you need that money in the future, you can always mortgage the house again. It isn’t as if you have thrown it in a trash can. With $400k down, you have already assumed all the downside risk if prices keep falling.

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