[Coronita]

I'd love to import millions of hard working immigrants and offer them citzenship. But of course since US citizenship is a valuable thing, I would want to scrutinize who they are, where they come from, what skills they have, and confirm that they have a sponsor that will take care of them if necessary so they are not a drain on our public services. However, making wholesale citizens out of people whose first act was to violate the laws of another (our) country, and who demand benefits and the passage of laws meant to fix their self-imposed quandry, does not appeal to me. They should also certainly not go to the head of the line, period. For the life of me I cannot imagine the audacity it takes to demand things from another country and its citizens, especially one you broke into. When I travel abroad, I meticulously follow the laws of the countries I visit. I would never 'demand' anything from them, much less assert right for my particular "raza" while waving the flag of my homeland. Morever, under the current tax code which provides for the earned income tax credit, many many of these new "citizens" will immediately become tax takers, not tax payers. And this is before one considers the schooling costs for the children they are allowed to bring, the medical costs and SSI and SSDI payments for the parents they are allowed to bring (and who NEVER contributed anyting to the US economy and never will), and the costs to our society as it tries to assimilate tens of millions of people from the third world who speak a foreign language and are far from signed on to free maket capitalism. It is impossible to aregue that one or two adults making minimum wage are worth the associated costs for schooling, helthcare and the like for their family at large. If you think there is no downside to this Kennedy/Bush plan, take a look at the LA unified schoold district. It used to be a shining star for the entire country. Now, even with more per pupil spending than EVER, its more like a black hole than a shining star. Imagine another 5, or 10 or 20 million people flooding in wholesale, demanding rights, and unfettered access to the benefits of a social contract that they can't even read. THIS deal would make it better? No, our government has demonstrated twice, in 1965 and 1986, both time with Mr. Kennedy at the helm, that its plans cannot be trusted. It should enforce existing laws and when the flow by all accounts has been effectively stopped for a period of years, then we can reexamine the problem.

 

Don't get me wrong. I think this proposal is ridiculous. So ridiculous, there's really no point in worrying about it. It's a PR stunt by Congress that is pretty much DOA. What's more troubling to me is the anti-immigrant sentiment I see posted here.

I recognize that several folks drain our social system. But the real problem imho is that our social system is setup for people to be able to take advantage of it, both illegal and legal folks. Congress should fix that, and people's anger at these social giveaways should be focused getting Congress to change that.

For example, let's talk about welfare and SS benefits. In theory, i can apply for my in-laws PR here in the U.S. And finally when they get their U.S. citizenship here, I believe they would be entitled to receiving welfare, SS benefits etc, provided they have no assets here in the U.S, despite the fact that they have never worked here, never paid taxes here, and really shouldn't be eligible for any benefits.  They would be a drain on the system because the system is allowing folks who never contributed to it to take a cut. Solution: deny social programs and benefits who never contributed to the system. It would be fair, and apply to everyone (illegal and non-illegal). And I would be a proponent of this change to your social system…..Of course, these wouldn't be acceptable to lots of people, because people don't want to deal with this harsh situation. Some would feel it to be "immorale", for example, to deny health care to people who really need it but can't afford it and haven't paid a dime in taxes.

[Coronita]

I am a H1-B holder and if this bill passes I will say I'm illegal. Besides I kind of look Mexican 🙂 Yesterday I phoned 10 cousins and they are all preparing to fly here. I'll vouch for them when asked if they were in the US before Jan 1, 07.

 

Seriously, I would have a lot of sympathy with you…Because folks in your position would realy be the people getting screwed…but again, doubt anything will happen. 

[Coronita]

I am a H1-B holder and if this bill passes I will say I'm illegal. Besides I kind of look Mexican 🙂 Yesterday I phoned 10 cousins and they are all preparing to fly here. I'll vouch for them when asked if they were in the US before Jan 1, 07.

 

Seriously, I would have a lot of sympathy with you…Because folks in your position would realy be the people getting screwed…but again, doubt anything will happen. 

[Coronita]

Joke:

What does U.C.L.A. stand for?

University of Caucasians Lost to Asians.

Since we’re talking about quotas. Let’s drop the asian quotas from colleges. You want to talk about discrimination, play both fields in terms of fairness.

[Coronita]

Joke:

What does U.C.L.A. stand for?

University of Caucasians Lost to Asians.

Since we’re talking about quotas. Let’s drop the asian quotas from colleges. You want to talk about discrimination, play both fields in terms of fairness.

[Coronita]

Don't forget that once they have legal status here whether it be a green card or visa, do you think they will go back to picking strawberries or anything else? No, forget picking crops, now they can work anywhere else, and we will be back to having to find ag workers again…perpetual cycle, we need guest workers, no anchor babies and tough enforcement of the laws we have…put the employers in jail. I am also contacting my senators…I suggest you do the same.

 

If they improve themselves, find better jobs, and pay more taxes, how is this a bad thing for society? Perhaps some folks feel threaten because their use to a cushion quality of living…Really, maybe they folks need to do what the rest of people who want a better future have been doing all along…uh, work harder????

I understand this might be new, and hard to grasp concept…But this is a capitalist society. If someone can do your job beter,faster,cheaper, and/or with superior quality, don't they desire to get rewarded for this?

If some kid at a college can replace me at work for 1/2 price of what my employer pays me, by all means the employer should do it. Because it wouldn’t make any sense not to.

[Coronita]

Don't forget that once they have legal status here whether it be a green card or visa, do you think they will go back to picking strawberries or anything else? No, forget picking crops, now they can work anywhere else, and we will be back to having to find ag workers again…perpetual cycle, we need guest workers, no anchor babies and tough enforcement of the laws we have…put the employers in jail. I am also contacting my senators…I suggest you do the same.

 

If they improve themselves, find better jobs, and pay more taxes, how is this a bad thing for society? Perhaps some folks feel threaten because their use to a cushion quality of living…Really, maybe they folks need to do what the rest of people who want a better future have been doing all along…uh, work harder????

I understand this might be new, and hard to grasp concept…But this is a capitalist society. If someone can do your job beter,faster,cheaper, and/or with superior quality, don't they desire to get rewarded for this?

If some kid at a college can replace me at work for 1/2 price of what my employer pays me, by all means the employer should do it. Because it wouldn’t make any sense not to.

[Coronita]

the we dont need another stinking paris hilton taxes: the rockefellers and morgans are still going strong even after surviving decades of stiff inheritance taxation. elimination of the tax would only amount to a paris hilton entitlement and acceleration of corporate consolidation and control of america. tort reform: just like inflation, tort reform is a con. medical expenses, insurance costs going up because of "frivolous" lawsuits? no, it's because those lawsuits that are justified and right don't and can't go far enough: merck killing people with unsafe drugs is only fined a few bucks. they immediately turn those costs over on future business. rather than… merck getting sued into non-operation and the persons responsible being barred from working in the industry, thereby allowing competition from new and small independants. illegal immigration: with a wave of the illegal immigration flag, nationalism and racism are immediately stirred, overwhelming the insect-like attention spans of the american people. immigrant employees, legal or illegal are only a problem now because of all the years of union busting and anti-labor policies.

 

I'm sure a lot of these folks here that are so anti-immigrants have native American blood oozingdoing their arms and legs 🙂

I don't understand what the f*ck is the big deal with this. I see these illegals hardworking and willing to do what a lot of american citizens who would rather take a welfare handout before considering doing what these folks do. The only gripe i have is that illegals don't pay taxes and they get the benefits of the state..But I would consider this a failed U.S. policy that apparently no one wants to address.

At the same time, they are contribute to this economy as spenders and earners. I hardly consider these folks "stealing our jobs", because I doubt most americans would want to work at these jobs to begin with. Even so consider if you couldn't find cheap labor. Those business (farms/etc) would dry up and move overseas, and we be importing even a heck of a lot more.

And frankly American labor is ridiculously expensive. $100/hr for a frickin plumber?

[Coronita]

the we dont need another stinking paris hilton taxes: the rockefellers and morgans are still going strong even after surviving decades of stiff inheritance taxation. elimination of the tax would only amount to a paris hilton entitlement and acceleration of corporate consolidation and control of america. tort reform: just like inflation, tort reform is a con. medical expenses, insurance costs going up because of "frivolous" lawsuits? no, it's because those lawsuits that are justified and right don't and can't go far enough: merck killing people with unsafe drugs is only fined a few bucks. they immediately turn those costs over on future business. rather than… merck getting sued into non-operation and the persons responsible being barred from working in the industry, thereby allowing competition from new and small independants. illegal immigration: with a wave of the illegal immigration flag, nationalism and racism are immediately stirred, overwhelming the insect-like attention spans of the american people. immigrant employees, legal or illegal are only a problem now because of all the years of union busting and anti-labor policies.

 

I'm sure a lot of these folks here that are so anti-immigrants have native American blood oozingdoing their arms and legs 🙂

I don't understand what the f*ck is the big deal with this. I see these illegals hardworking and willing to do what a lot of american citizens who would rather take a welfare handout before considering doing what these folks do. The only gripe i have is that illegals don't pay taxes and they get the benefits of the state..But I would consider this a failed U.S. policy that apparently no one wants to address.

At the same time, they are contribute to this economy as spenders and earners. I hardly consider these folks "stealing our jobs", because I doubt most americans would want to work at these jobs to begin with. Even so consider if you couldn't find cheap labor. Those business (farms/etc) would dry up and move overseas, and we be importing even a heck of a lot more.

And frankly American labor is ridiculously expensive. $100/hr for a frickin plumber?

[Coronita]

The "death tax" is too funny, the Republican spinmasters named it that so that Alabama Joe Sixpack would think it's an awful idea and that it needs to go. Little does Alabama Joe Sixpack know that unless he's got $2M in assets his estate won't be taxed a penny when he dies. (Alabama Joe Sixpack doesn't know how to use "the internets" or "the google" to look up the info on the IRS website, so he lets Fox News tell him everything he needs to know). As for those family businesses, they can definitely be stung by it but a good estate plan can help minimize the effects. How many people in the US even die with a $2M estate? It is so funny that people will vote to get rid of it when all they've got is $50K in their 401K. And of course some of the world's richest men are big supporters of the estate tax.

 

I disagree, especially if you live in california.

Take your SFH. That itself for is $1million (ok maybe $700k after the decline). Then figure if you're smart you have a $500k life insurance policy for you and another for your spouse. That's $2million. right there. Add in your 401k over your lifetime and your wife's lifetime, how hard is it to really exceed this amount before you are 60? Also, $2million in tomorrow's dollar will be worthless..more like $200k in today's dollars. A lot of you "average" joe's aren't really that below average.The really rich always have loopholes, so this death tax doesn't really matter to them. Yeah, sure you can setup the entire A and B trust thing to get around the $2.5 million. But let's face it, $1million isn't really a lot of money these days. 

The other way I look at it, for those that think th inheritance is "unfair".  Your kids don't deserve an inheritance any less than any of you that were "lucky" to be born with a U.S. citizenship. So I find it hypocritical that the same folks that think an estate inheritance is unfair but at the same time want to crack down on immigrants. If your heirs are really that stupid and lose everything you give to them, that's their stupidity. But I earned this money. I already paid taxes on this money. And I'll be damned if te government tells me what I can do with it upon my death.

[Coronita]

The "death tax" is too funny, the Republican spinmasters named it that so that Alabama Joe Sixpack would think it's an awful idea and that it needs to go. Little does Alabama Joe Sixpack know that unless he's got $2M in assets his estate won't be taxed a penny when he dies. (Alabama Joe Sixpack doesn't know how to use "the internets" or "the google" to look up the info on the IRS website, so he lets Fox News tell him everything he needs to know). As for those family businesses, they can definitely be stung by it but a good estate plan can help minimize the effects. How many people in the US even die with a $2M estate? It is so funny that people will vote to get rid of it when all they've got is $50K in their 401K. And of course some of the world's richest men are big supporters of the estate tax.

 

I disagree, especially if you live in california.

Take your SFH. That itself for is $1million (ok maybe $700k after the decline). Then figure if you're smart you have a $500k life insurance policy for you and another for your spouse. That's $2million. right there. Add in your 401k over your lifetime and your wife's lifetime, how hard is it to really exceed this amount before you are 60? Also, $2million in tomorrow's dollar will be worthless..more like $200k in today's dollars. A lot of you "average" joe's aren't really that below average.The really rich always have loopholes, so this death tax doesn't really matter to them. Yeah, sure you can setup the entire A and B trust thing to get around the $2.5 million. But let's face it, $1million isn't really a lot of money these days. 

The other way I look at it, for those that think th inheritance is "unfair".  Your kids don't deserve an inheritance any less than any of you that were "lucky" to be born with a U.S. citizenship. So I find it hypocritical that the same folks that think an estate inheritance is unfair but at the same time want to crack down on immigrants. If your heirs are really that stupid and lose everything you give to them, that's their stupidity. But I earned this money. I already paid taxes on this money. And I'll be damned if te government tells me what I can do with it upon my death.

[Coronita]

What is more likely to affect a larger number of Piggingtonians – estate tax reform or tort reform. I'd posit that Bush's biggest blunder is abandoning the cause of tort reform. If ANYTHING would help turn this country away from it's entrenched nanny-state ways – keeping the lawyer's filthy mitts off our cash would be a great place to start. How many of us pay too much for medical care, car insurance and other necessities? How many will be in the position of needing to be concerned with estate tax? I think the second number is dramatically smaller – but it does seem to have the effect of making a lot of people feel a lot more important when they bitch about it.

 

The way I see it. A lot of people are paying way to much in terms of cost because they choose to do it. They choose to drive big SUVs. They choose spend $100/month on cable, another, $100/month on a cell phone, choose drive expensive cars, and hence choose to pay a lot of car insurance. How is this everyone elses problems???????

 

There's no doubt Health care is wacked. The first thing would be to stop giving it away imho. But I believe some things like health care need some part of socialization. But the only problem is, no one has figured out how to pay for it. No one wants to pay for higher taxes, for those who can afford to pay taxes (I don’t mind personally if taxes rise slightly as long as everyone bears some amount if it). And as far as cutting benefits, I see the health care issue many for hourly workers. Sorry ,but my advise is get out of that job. Go get yourself a decent education, with a decent career or self/business so you aren't so dependent on crappy hourly pay/with crappy healh care. If you truely have done all that, and then still need financial assistance, apply for welfare at that point..I would be happy that my tax dollars would subsidize those people who have really tried but couldn't make it..

 

The only irony to this immigrant bill which is pretty funny is that all those H1-B holders who work at tech companies are probably going to have to wait longer to get their green card than illegal immigrants…That’s pretty pathetic.

[Coronita]

What is more likely to affect a larger number of Piggingtonians – estate tax reform or tort reform. I'd posit that Bush's biggest blunder is abandoning the cause of tort reform. If ANYTHING would help turn this country away from it's entrenched nanny-state ways – keeping the lawyer's filthy mitts off our cash would be a great place to start. How many of us pay too much for medical care, car insurance and other necessities? How many will be in the position of needing to be concerned with estate tax? I think the second number is dramatically smaller – but it does seem to have the effect of making a lot of people feel a lot more important when they bitch about it.

 

The way I see it. A lot of people are paying way to much in terms of cost because they choose to do it. They choose to drive big SUVs. They choose spend $100/month on cable, another, $100/month on a cell phone, choose drive expensive cars, and hence choose to pay a lot of car insurance. How is this everyone elses problems???????

 

There's no doubt Health care is wacked. The first thing would be to stop giving it away imho. But I believe some things like health care need some part of socialization. But the only problem is, no one has figured out how to pay for it. No one wants to pay for higher taxes, for those who can afford to pay taxes (I don’t mind personally if taxes rise slightly as long as everyone bears some amount if it). And as far as cutting benefits, I see the health care issue many for hourly workers. Sorry ,but my advise is get out of that job. Go get yourself a decent education, with a decent career or self/business so you aren't so dependent on crappy hourly pay/with crappy healh care. If you truely have done all that, and then still need financial assistance, apply for welfare at that point..I would be happy that my tax dollars would subsidize those people who have really tried but couldn't make it..

 

The only irony to this immigrant bill which is pretty funny is that all those H1-B holders who work at tech companies are probably going to have to wait longer to get their green card than illegal immigrants…That’s pretty pathetic.

[Coronita]

your fat lazy stupid smug kid doesnt deserve anything that you worked for except what clothes and education you can provide him during your lifetime. republicans are not the only ones who want cheap labor.

 

The way I look at it. Better giving it to my "fat, lazy, stupid kid" than

your or other people's fat lazy stupid kid that will knee deep in debt. Or worse….Fat lazy stupid people that got knee deep in debt because they wanted to drive around BMW's when they should have been planning for THEIR future. I give enough subsidies to everyone else in terms of paying taxes. I've done my part in terms of socialization. If the government wants to waste money on my tax dollars and/or if individuals are stupid and going to buy that BMW instead of of saving for their future retirement because they are counting on social security, that's really not my problem.

By the time I retire, I estimate 2/3 of americans will be living off of subsidies, while the remaining 1/3 of us will be paying up our noses for the rest of you. And that probably would be a conservative estimate.

 

 

[Coronita]

your fat lazy stupid smug kid doesnt deserve anything that you worked for except what clothes and education you can provide him during your lifetime. republicans are not the only ones who want cheap labor.

 

The way I look at it. Better giving it to my "fat, lazy, stupid kid" than

your or other people's fat lazy stupid kid that will knee deep in debt. Or worse….Fat lazy stupid people that got knee deep in debt because they wanted to drive around BMW's when they should have been planning for THEIR future. I give enough subsidies to everyone else in terms of paying taxes. I've done my part in terms of socialization. If the government wants to waste money on my tax dollars and/or if individuals are stupid and going to buy that BMW instead of of saving for their future retirement because they are counting on social security, that's really not my problem.

By the time I retire, I estimate 2/3 of americans will be living off of subsidies, while the remaining 1/3 of us will be paying up our noses for the rest of you. And that probably would be a conservative estimate.

 

 

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