Why it’s not a good time to buy a house in San Diego!

[millennial]

[quote=The-Shoveler]

Secondly there is a construction worker shortage mainly because Millennials don’t seem to want to commit to learning construction trades.

Takes 3-5 years of dedication believe it or not to learn a trade.[/quote]
I don’t think you can blame Millennials for the current infrastructure which is a large reason for this. Maybe if boomer parents didn’t push college so much many kids wouldn’t take out $150k in loans to go to third tier colleges. Not sure if you can start trade school in 9th grade but maybe some parents should have told their little plumber that trade school might be the better way to go. In many other countries skilled trade labor and apprenticeship starts at a much younger age than here which helps countries like Germany and Japan have a strong working class.

[flyer]

Definitely better to realistically assess your kids abilities and interests and go from there. We tried to do that with all of our kids (two attended top tier, one, second) and, even though it took one of them a little longer to find his niche, he finally did.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=mixxalot]Yup I decided to rent and buy out of state where my cash goes much further. Places like Oregon (except Portland) and Utah are far more affordable. Rather bank and invest the rest compared to what 500k-2MM get you in Sandy Eggo.

Plus it is getting way more crowded and traffic is bad all the time now.[/quote]

More intense urbanization. Crowded with traffic is were values are. In the future there will be mass transit and driverless pods to come pick you up.

You sure you want to live in the middle of nowhere when you’re old? That will make you senile faster.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=millennial][quote=The-Shoveler]

Secondly there is a construction worker shortage mainly because Millennials don’t seem to want to commit to learning construction trades.

Takes 3-5 years of dedication believe it or not to learn a trade.[/quote]
I don’t think you can blame Millennials for the current infrastructure which is a large reason for this. Maybe if boomer parents didn’t push college so much many kids wouldn’t take out $150k in loans to go to third tier colleges. Not sure if you can start trade school in 9th grade but maybe some parents should have told their little plumber that trade school might be the better way to go. In many other countries skilled trade labor and apprenticeship starts at a much younger age than here which helps countries like Germany and Japan have a strong working class.[/quote]
PLuss
The American dream is to reach for the top. Everyone can become a movie star, CEO, or millionaire and enjoy preferential tax treatment. Trade school is to settle for mediocre or plain good enough.

There is no solution. Would you tell you kid to go to trade school? Plus trade school is not free and few employers offer paid apprenticeship, unlike in Germany where there is a public/private partnership.

[The-Shoveler]

Becoming a journeyman in the construction trades was seen as a good career in boomer times.

Most boomers got told to leave the house at 18 and were on their own and had to fend for themselves.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=The-Shoveler]Becoming a journeyman in the construction trades was seen as a good career in boomer times.

Most boomers got told to leave the house at 18 and were on their own and had to fend for themselves.[/quote]

Yeah and before that time, people were happy working as domestic servants.

Past glory is past.

In the past business needed labor and were willing to train. Now nobody is willing to train. I bet you would fire your 20 yo maid or gardener real quick if they didn’t come already trained. It’s different in Germany because they have a public/private partnership to provide paid internships. We have that here too, but only community based. Obviously our system is better for the trades because we wouldn’t want the government to pick winner and losers.

[The-Shoveler]

This is the way most of the boomers did it, still works today.

https://www.carpenters.org/Todays_UBC_Top_Nav/How_to_Join_Us.aspx

San Diego Training Center
8595 Miralani Drive
San Diego, CA 92126 US

Phone: 858-621-2667
Fax: 858-621-2669

Email: [email protected]
Web: http://www.swctf.org

Training Center ID: 201

[FlyerInHi]

If it still works then everything is A-OK. Nothing to bemoan. If anything, it must be that young adult lack personal initiative and bootstrapping skills.

What do you suggest the teenage son of a coal miner do?

[The-Shoveler]

I think everyone have been brain washed into thinking they want a desk job.

Maybe that is what I would recommend my kid to do as well, the boomers did not have that for the most part.

Just saying there is a shortage few are interested in filling now days.

[FlyerInHi]

Are you suggesting that native born Americans are jobless because of their own lack of initiative?

Even with regard to desk jobs. a lot of people are saying that native born Americans do not want to do technical work which they find boring and unglamorous. they want to be in management, sales and marketing, customer service…

By the way did you know that the major refresh of the Ford Mustang (before the Camaro was refreshed) was by an Asian-American engineer. Who better than a foreign born engineer to understand what real Americana is about?

[The-Shoveler]

They should give the number a call if they are in good mental and physical health and don’t mind doing really hard physical work.

[FlyerInHi]

Quit the bitchin’ and start the dialin’. I can accept that.

My carpet guy is a skilled carpet layer on big buildings and construction jobs. He travels around the west and is able to save more than 50% of his pay. He runs a carpet business on the side. His dad who speaks only Spanish helps out. He has siblings who are dreamers. They are living the American Dream.

[millennial]

[quote=FlyerInHi]was by an Asian-American engineer. Who better than a foreign born engineer to understand what real Americana is about?[/quote]
You do realize that Asian-American basically just means an Asian who is American. It does not mean that he was born in asia and became American. I’m a third generation Asian American from Detroit who could tell you a lot about mustangs. My dad and I rebuilt a couple when I was young. Can you explain to me what your point is? I find it offensive that you consider a heritage who may have lived in the US for over 100 years not “American”. Is it just Asian Americans that you are questioning their american ness or does it include 3rd or 4th generation Irish, Spanish, and Italian Americans too?

[FlyerInHi]

Millennial, sorry for offending. I used to be into cars and the story stuck with me. I was only referring to one guy who pretty much saved the Mustang.
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/hau-thai-tang.htm

My point is that the decline of the middle class is a combination of our own making — mainly lack of policies to keep up with new economic realities.

We shouldn’t think that economic nationalism will solve anything. It will make things worse. We should embrace immigrants because they bring fresh ideas and they see iconic American things with fresh eyes. Native borns can take things for granted and be oblivious.

I used to be into movies too. Ang Lee does American and British story lines with a fresh authentic feel.

The Matrix adopted moves from Hong Kong cinema; was a huge success, and now an iconic film.

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