Is the “Vision” unrealistic for Bay Park & Bay Ho?

[FlyerInHi]

I kinda agree with you spd… but only kinda.

some people like the mess that is NY. They might even prefer the NYC of the 80s.

by “enrich” I mean more GDP, more money. If NYC were more gleaming and polished, it would attract more investments, more business, more foreign buyers, etc…

There are trade-offs.

[spdrun]

^^^

The kind of foreign investment that many world cities are attracting right now is EXACTLY NOT the kind of investment that NYC should attract. Corporate HQ? Good. Immigrants starting small businesses? Brilliant. Immigrants buying property to live in or rent out? Awesome.

Rich Saudis or Chinese buying property that sits vacant and is not used? That’s unproductive investment, pure and simple. Doesn’t add anything to the city, but pushes up prices and creates blight.

That’s the kind of investment that should be kept out of NYC. So far, the combination of strict co-op boards, a perception that NYC is less posh, and pesky US laws have succeeded in keeping this in check. I’m fine with that.

“Inside ‘Billionaires Row’: London’s rotting, derelict mansions worth £350m”:
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jan/31/inside-london-billionaires-row-derelict-mansions-hampstead

[joec]

Trolley rider stabbed for looking at woman

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/jun/13/trolley-stabbing-mission-valley/

Rode the trolley, checked out a nice looking gal, end up dead before going home…

[spdrun]

So what? There’s never been an instance of road rage where someone ends up shot or stabbed, or a fight in a public place like a bar or stadium? Right. Shit happens. It’s not as if this happens every day. I’m not going to sit at home cooped up because there’s an 0.001% chance that some psycho might stab me because I looked in the wrong direction.

And he’s not dead. Hope he makes a full recovery and that the jerk who stabbed him ends up being shivved in prison.

However, I’d glad that no video footage exists. Seems to be no video surveillance on the trolley cars, which is a win for privacy even if some crims get away.

[joec]

[quote=spdrun]So what? There’s never been an instance of road rage where someone ends up shot or stabbed, or a fight in a public place like a bar or stadium? Right. Shit happens. It’s not as if this happens every day. I’m not going to sit at home cooped up because there’s an 0.001% chance that some psycho might stab me because I looked in the wrong direction.

And he’s not dead. Hope he makes a full recovery and that the jerk who stabbed him ends up being shivved in prison.

However, I’d glad that no video footage exists. Seems to be no video surveillance on the trolley cars, which is a win for privacy even if some crims get away.[/quote]

My point is I think people on the lower economic ladder and more mentally unstable people tend to ride more public transportation. They are the ones more likely to stab people for checking out or just glancing or not even glancing at their girl or looking at them…(you can get shot for looking at anyone it seems).

This supports my claim that public transportation is a tough sell in a lot of areas since normal/rich/non-crazy people don’t want to be near/around stupid/crazy/psychotic people who “may” do this.

Yes, you can also get road raged by someone on the road daily, but I think most people and many women will feel safer in their own car than on a bus/train/trolley around sketchy guys/crazed people.

[spdrun]

Speaking as an East Coaster, I’ve honestly experienced more situations where I felt threatened on the road than on public transport.

Example: I was 19. I had an old Fiat convertible handed down from my sister who had bought it for $400, then couldn’t figure out how to keep it running. Driving back to college, I merged onto a freeway a bit too close to an old Honda Civic full of angry asshats. They changed lanes, came beside me, and one of them started waving a large knife out the rear passenger window, shouting, signifying, and swearing.

They passed me, but changed lanes in front of me whenever I changed lanes. Finally, I signaled left just before an exit, started changing lanes to the left, and cranked the wheel over to make the exit at the very last moment. They tried to do the same, but didn’t quite make it — they probably needed the services of an upholstery cleaner to get the brown stains out!

[FlyerInHi]

I have to say one of the reasons I like riding the subway in NY is the pleasure of people watching. You see all kinds of people. It’s really good entertainment.

Americans need to learn the pleasure of people watching like the Europeans do so well. We Americans are a little funny about people looking at us. So what? Look back and enjoy!

[joec]

[quote=spdrun]Speaking as an East Coaster, I’ve honestly experienced more situations where I felt threatened on the road than on public transport.

Example: I was 19. I had an old Fiat convertible handed down from my sister who had bought it for $400, then couldn’t figure out how to keep it running. Driving back to college, I merged onto a freeway a bit too close to an old Honda Civic full of angry asshats. They changed lanes, came beside me, and one of them started waving a large knife out the rear passenger window, shouting, signifying, and swearing.

They passed me, but changed lanes in front of me whenever I changed lanes. Finally, I signaled left just before an exit, started changing lanes to the left, and cranked the wheel over to make the exit at the very last moment. They tried to do the same, but didn’t quite make it — they probably needed the services of an upholstery cleaner to get the brown stains out![/quote]

Still, think of what could’ve happened if you looked at these guys the same way and you weren’t in a car?

I’ve actually been in a fight just for looking at some guy so again, a car is more “space” than a bus/subway/trolley…where someone having a bad day can result in you getting stabbed.

I’d had enough road rage incidents to hate driving too…I think I’m actually more calm on public transportation, but again, you don’t know who is going to be on the bus or at a football game (plenty of crazies there).

Oh well, we’ll just disagree that public transport IMO simply isn’t going to work for some people here in the US…Much safer in say, Japan where you see little 8 year old girls riding alone…

[spdrun]

I didn’t look at the guys — I accidentally cut their car off (they had to expend a bit of precious energy braking and beeping, no danger of an accident). All I can think is that cars make people territorial — they’re an extension of their home and not to be “disrespected” wheres a commuter train is not.

Don’t know about eight year olds, but I definitely see some 10-12 year old looking kids riding the bus to school with a Metrocard in NYC.

[scaredyclassic]

My dream life involves not owning a car.

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