Question for you smart CS people

[svelte]

While I don’t disagree with the big fish / small pond philosophy being espoused here, it really does not address the premise the OP gave us, namely “looking for the most rigorous program with best potential for good internships for undergrads”.

Not sure how to measure “most rigorous”, US News chose to measure it by the number of papers schools published in the Computer Science area. The rankings this generated:

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Harvard
4. UC Berkeley
5. Tsinghua University (China)
6. University of Texas, Austin
7. Nanyang Tech Univ (Singapore)
8. Princeton
9. UCSD
10. National University (Singapore)
11. UCLA
12. Georgia Tech
13. Hong Kong Univ
14. Carnegie Mellon
15. Univ of So Cal (LA)
16. City Univ (Hong Kong)
17. Univ of British Columbia
18. Swiss Federal (Zurich)
19. Univ of Waterloo
20. Univ of London

http://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/computer-science

If one were to use ROI as the measure, then the list is pretty interesting:

1. California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
2. MIT
3. Stanford
4. Georgia Institute of Technology
5. Harvard
6. Princeton
7. Carnegie Mellon
8. UC Berkeley
9. Columbia
10. Cornell
11. UCSD
12. University of Illinois, Urbana
13. Yale
14. UC Santa Barbara
15. University of Maryland, College Park
16. University of Texas, Austin
17. UC Irvine
18. University of Washington, Seattle
19. University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
20. UC Davis
21. UCLA
22. Rutgers
23. Purdue
24. University of Mass, Amherst
25. Ohio State

Top 25 Computer Science Programs With the Best Return on Investment (ROI)

[Coronita]

[quote=svelte]While I don’t disagree with the big fish / small pond philosophy being espoused here, it really does not address the premise the OP gave us, namely “looking for the most rigorous program with best potential for good internships for undergrads”.

Not sure how to measure “most rigorous”, US News chose to measure it by the number of papers schools published in the Computer Science area. The rankings this generated:

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Harvard
4. UC Berkeley
5. Tsinghua University (China)
6. University of Texas, Austin
7. Nanyang Tech Univ (Singapore)
8. Princeton
9. UCSD
10. National University (Singapore)
11. UCLA
12. Georgia Tech
13. Hong Kong Univ
14. Carnegie Mellon
15. Univ of So Cal (LA)
16. City Univ (Hong Kong)
17. Univ of British Columbia
18. Swiss Federal (Zurich)
19. Univ of Waterloo
20. Univ of London

http://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/computer-science

If one were to use ROI as the measure, then the list is pretty interesting:

1. California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
2. MIT
3. Stanford
4. Georgia Institute of Technology
5. Harvard
6. Princeton
7. Carnegie Mellon
8. UC Berkeley
9. Columbia
10. Cornell
11. UCSD
12. University of Illinois, Urbana
13. Yale
14. UC Santa Barbara
15. University of Maryland, College Park
16. University of Texas, Austin
17. UC Irvine
18. University of Washington, Seattle
19. University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
20. UC Davis
21. UCLA
22. Rutgers
23. Purdue
24. University of Mass, Amherst
25. Ohio State

http://www.bestvalueschools.com/computer-science-degrees-best-roi/%5B/quote%5D

If the OP’s student is a son, I would definitely stay away from Cal-Tech or MIT unless he wants to stay a virgin until he’s 30-40…Also, Cal-Tech would be a terrible school to go if he has a change in heart about being an enginerd.

And frankly, for something like computer science, I think it’s kind of a waste to go to Cal-Tech and MIT for that alone, unless he/she was going to do some serious research. 90% of Com Science isn’t rocket science. And you really don’t need to go through a 4 year com science curriculum to end up doing software engineering. I surely didn’t.

[svelte]

[quote=flu]
If the OP’s student is a son, I would definitely stay away from Cal-Tech or MIT unless he wants to stay a virgin until he’s 30-40…Also, Cal-Tech would be a terrible school to go if he has a change in heart about being an enginerd.

And frankly, for something like computer science, I think it’s kind of a waste to go to Cal-Tech and MIT for that alone, unless he/she was going to do some serious research. 90% of Com Science isn’t rocket science. And you really don’t need to go through a 4 year com science curriculum to end up doing software engineering. I surely didn’t.[/quote]

Well hopefully he’s not a virgin by the time he starts college~! Most folks I know weren’t.

But again, sex was not on OP’s list of criteria. The most rigorous program with best potential for good internships for undergrads was.

[Coronita]

[quote=svelte][quote=flu]
If the OP’s student is a son, I would definitely stay away from Cal-Tech or MIT unless he wants to stay a virgin until he’s 30-40…Also, Cal-Tech would be a terrible school to go if he has a change in heart about being an enginerd.

And frankly, for something like computer science, I think it’s kind of a waste to go to Cal-Tech and MIT for that alone, unless he/she was going to do some serious research. 90% of Com Science isn’t rocket science. And you really don’t need to go through a 4 year com science curriculum to end up doing software engineering. I surely didn’t.[/quote]

Well hopefully he’s not a virgin by the time he starts college~! Most folks I know weren’t.

But again, sex was not on OP’s list of criteria. The most rigorous program with best potential for good internships for undergrads was.[/quote]

Hey, I resent that. Anyway, your point taken.

Rigor also goes up exponentially if you do a combined EE/CS program in the schools that offer that combined program.

[paramount]

The other part of the equation is character development which is why I suggested Notre Dame.

It is pretty tough though to get into Notre Dame.

[paramount]

[quote=scaredyclassic]My middle kid just got accepted to Humboldt state! I say go! Not only could he be a strong fish in a small pond, if he can avoid drugs, which I think he will, he could be stone cold sober in premed classes with hungover stoners and slide into med school easily![/quote]

I wouldn’t under-estimate the competition at Humboldt State – many of those so-called stoners are really smart.

I know of someone who recently graduated (2014) from Humboldt (biology) and is now a med student at UCSF.

[scaredyclassic]

True, Steve jobs did plenty of acid but kept sharp. But there are very few Asians up there at humblest, maybe that’s the more important metric, not sure about Asians on acid as competition.

I want to attend humboldt

[bearishgurl]

Congrats on your kid’s (early?) acceptance into Humboldt State, scaredy! It is s-o-o-o-o beautiful and peaceful up there and you will find the housing to be quite reasonable …. especially if he shares with two or more roommates.

I honestly don’t think the bulk of Humboldt State students are “stoners.” MJ kind of a hidden (farming) industry up there. The CSU has strict rules about possession of drugs on campus and your kid will have to take classes in this regard (likely online, next summer, or as part of his orientation). He will then have to sign a contract that he has read and understood all the campus rules.

If I had a do-over in life, I’d LOVE to earn a bachelor degree at Humboldt State!

[bearishgurl]

[quote=scaredyclassic]True, Steve jobs did plenty of acid but kept sharp. But there are very few Asians up there at humblest, maybe that’s the more important metric, not sure about Asians on acid as competition.

I want to attend humboldt[/quote]

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Uhhh, scaredy? “humblest” is not “city-like” enough for the vast majority of Asians. Nor is Humboldt County’s housing anywhere near “new.” These are two very likely reasons that it has few Asian students.

[scaredyclassic]

Right. Few Asians. Easier curve … higher grades. Humboldt. But if the Asians start attending…might get too tough…unless they’re all on acid….or maybe that’ll just get them sharper….not sure…

[bearishgurl]

Since the CSU revamped its admission criteria (and its handling of English and Math deficient entering freshman) and put programs in place to greatly assist entering freshman in Fall 2013, Humboldt State has been trying mightily to recruit prospective freshman from SoCal …. especially qualified prospective freshman hailing from underserved areas and/or those applicants who will be the first in their families to attend college.

Hence, an unfortunate fatal bus crash. The 2-bus trip was chartered by HSU to introduce incoming HS seniors from LA area school districts to a weekend of campus life and introduction to the programs they offer:

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/04/11/10th-person-dies-in-orland-bus-crash/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/04/11/at-least-nine-killed-in-california-as-truck-collides-with-busload-of-students/

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/tour-bus-fedex-crash-northern-california-los-angeles-students-254835921.html

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/04/11/10th-person-dies-in-orland-bus-crash/

http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-humboldt-20140413-story.html

Due to HSU’s rather remote location in the state, it isn’t usually on the “radar” for SoCal HS seniors when they file their apps with CSU Mentor. The vast majority of SoCal HS students (likely >95%) have never even been to that part of the state … nor have their parents. HSU seems “way too far” and “too remote” for many to even consider.

scaredy, if your kid accepts his admission offer to HSU (and he should, imho), make sure he takes his mountain bike up there with him. It will come in very handy :=)

[bearishgurl]

[quote=scaredyclassic]Right. Few Asians. Easier curve … higher grades. Humboldt. But if the Asians start attending…might get too tough…unless they’re all on acid….or maybe that’ll just get them sharper….not sure…[/quote]

scaredy, I don’t think “acid” is that easy to come by up there. JMHO.

[Coronita]

[quote=paramount]The other part of the equation is character development which is why I suggested Notre Dame.

It is pretty tough though to get into Notre Dame.[/quote]

If the kid wants to stay on the west coast, I’d stay with a west coast school.

[Coronita]

[quote=scaredyclassic]Right. Few Asians. Easier curve … higher grades. Humboldt. But if the Asians start attending…might get too tough…unless they’re all on acid….or maybe that’ll just get them sharper….not sure…[/quote]

Hmmm. Maybe I can send my kid there for pre-med, and hopefully it will be an easier A.. And if she succeeds in getting into med-school, all the other asian parents can follow the same path, and eventually we’ll screw up the curve there too, just like we do everywhere else 🙂

I never knoew about Humboldt as a path to med-school. I guess you really screwed that up scaredy by bringing it to my attention. 🙂

For the records, I made up the bottom half of the curve when it came to things like biology. lol.

[an]

[quote=flu][quote=scaredyclassic]Right. Few Asians. Easier curve … higher grades. Humboldt. But if the Asians start attending…might get too tough…unless they’re all on acid….or maybe that’ll just get them sharper….not sure…[/quote]

Hmmm. Maybe I can send my kid there for pre-med, and hopefully it will be an easier A.. And if she succeeds in getting into med-school, all the other asian parents can follow the same path, and eventually we’ll screw up the curve there too, just like we do everywhere else 🙂

I never knoew about Humboldt as a path to med-school. I guess you really screwed that up scaredy by bringing it to my attention. 🙂

For the records, I made up the bottom half of the curve when it came to things like biology. lol.[/quote]Dang it, now the secret is out. Why do you think I’m living where I’m at. I apply that logic to schooling before college as well.

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