ot; meyer briggs personality

[poorgradstudent]

I’m INTP, but the only one that is “strong” is the T, although the I and N are both pretty consistent across different tests, usually something like 60%-40%. I’ve scored as INTJ, and a lot of the P/J questions I end up just sort of picking at random at times or wisihing I could skip.

My introversion/extroversion does seem to fluctuate a lot at different points in my life. I was more extroverted when I was in the dating pool and meeting more new people.

[NotCranky]

I am INFP from the test today, the read up on it is a dead ringer but it’s the only one I’ve read .

What results represent an unimpassioned piece of wood? That kind is uncomfortable for me. Want to hit them with some electricity or something. Not crazy about really difficult people but the complete stiff is the worst.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=zk][quote=CA renter][quote=Rich Toscano]For me it’s the inside letters that dictate compatibility. I have friends of all kinds, but the ones I most easily fit in with are *NT*.

**F* people, if they are opinionated, tend to drive me nuts.[/quote]

I’m INTJ, and could not agree more with your last sentence! Hadn’t thought about it before, but when thinking about the people who truly drive me up the wall…you’ve hit the nail on the head. Thanks! 🙂

edited to add: But not scaredy. He doesn’t come across as an “F” to me.[/quote]

Interesting. In a previous thread on this subject, scaredy mentioned he’d scored ENTP.

http://piggington.com/ot_myers_briggs_personality_profile?page=1

I’m still an INTP.[/quote]

I think I was drunk during that test.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=Blogstar]
What results represent an unimpassioned piece of wood? That kind is uncomfortable for me. Want to hit them with some electricity or something. Not crazy about really difficult people but the complete stiff is the worst.[/quote]

Hey, I practiced becoming zen and unperturbed. It makes life so much easier. You can invest and make decisions rationally.

It also helps you not desire things that are not good for you. It makes you more observant of things around you and helps you objectively look at the foibles of humans.

[njtosd]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=Blogstar]
What results represent an unimpassioned piece of wood? That kind is uncomfortable for me. Want to hit them with some electricity or something. Not crazy about really difficult people but the complete stiff is the worst.[/quote]

Hey, I practiced becoming zen and unperturbed. It makes life so much easier. You can invest and make decisions rationally.

It also helps you not desire things that are not good for you. It makes you more observant of things around you and helps you objectively look at the foibles of humans.[/quote]

Emotion is crucial to good decision making. Patient named Elliott had brain surgery which resulted in an inability to feel emotion. Here was the result:

“. . . At the time, neuroscience assumed that human emotions were irrational. A person without emotions should therefore make better decisions. His cognition should be uncorrupted. The charioteer should have complete control. To Damasio, Elliot’s pathology suggested emotions are a crucial part of decision-making. Cut off from our feelings, the most banal decisions become impossible. A brain that can’t feel can’t make up its mind.”

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/feeling-our-way-to-decision-20090227-8k8v.html#ixzz3HPZJJYPY

[CA renter]

[quote=njtosd][quote=FlyerInHi][quote=Blogstar]
What results represent an unimpassioned piece of wood? That kind is uncomfortable for me. Want to hit them with some electricity or something. Not crazy about really difficult people but the complete stiff is the worst.[/quote]

Hey, I practiced becoming zen and unperturbed. It makes life so much easier. You can invest and make decisions rationally.

It also helps you not desire things that are not good for you. It makes you more observant of things around you and helps you objectively look at the foibles of humans.[/quote]

Emotion is crucial to good decision making. Patient named Elliott had brain surgery which resulted in an inability to feel emotion. Here was the result:

“. . . At the time, neuroscience assumed that human emotions were irrational. A person without emotions should therefore make better decisions. His cognition should be uncorrupted. The charioteer should have complete control. To Damasio, Elliot’s pathology suggested emotions are a crucial part of decision-making. Cut off from our feelings, the most banal decisions become impossible. A brain that can’t feel can’t make up its mind.”

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/feeling-our-way-to-decision-20090227-8k8v.html#ixzz3HPZJJYPY%5B/quote%5D

Thanks for sharing that interesting article, njtosd. Very interesting to see what happens if a person’s emotional capacity is greatly compromised.

One thought that occurred to me while reading about that case was that his failures happened in relationships (which require emotions), whether in his marriage or work. Even at work, we have to relate to employers, employees, coworkers, customers, vendors, etc. The absence of emotion, and the absence of a moral compass that would require emotional understanding, would make it almost impossible to succeed in anything requiring us to deal with other people. The fact that he failed at these things probably shouldn’t be surprising.

But we are also looking at it from the perspective of an emotional creature. Humans rely heavily on socialization because we are herd/tribal animals. If we’re stranded on a deserted island, or in a wild forest, the first thing most of us will do is seek out other humans to help us. We cannot live without each other, with very few exceptions…if that.

Because of this, we are judging this man’s actions only from our emotional perspective. Maybe, if we could create a world where people would never have to interact with or rely on other humans, things would work out better for Elliot than for the rest of us. We’re looking at this case from a very biased perspective.

Just speaking theoretically…

[scaredyclassic]

If you don’t “FEEL GOOD” about your decision it’s probably a bad decision.

Except investing in which case if you feel good about it it’s the wrong decision.

[Rich Toscano]

Just to be clear specifically on the Myers-Briggs thing, the “T vs. F” spectrum isn’t about whether you have emotions, it’s about how you make decisions (whether it’s more driven by analysis or gut feel). It’s been a while since I read up on this stuff but that’s what I recall…

[njtosd]

[quote=Rich Toscano]Just to be clear specifically on the Myers-Briggs thing, the “T vs. F” spectrum isn’t about whether you have emotions, it’s about how you make decisions (whether it’s more driven by analysis or gut feel). It’s been a while since I read up on this stuff but that’s what I recall…[/quote]

FWIW – my comment was primarily responding to FlyerInHi’s (Brian’s) pursuit of “objectivity” and dispassionate analysis.

T vs. F also would seem to indicate whether people can shake off mild (or not so mild) OCD tendencies, which can result in the paralysis by analysis situation. My in laws spent 25 years trying to decide on a design for their patio . . .

[Rich Toscano]

Yeah, that’s interesting… I definitely have a tendency to get into “paralysis by analysis” ruts once in a while… I never related it to the T-ness but that totally makes sense.

[njtosd]

[quote=CA renter]
Because of this, we are judging this man’s actions only from our emotional perspective. Maybe, if we could create a world where people would never have to interact with or rely on other humans, things would work out better for Elliot than for the rest of us. We’re looking at this case from a very biased perspective.

Just speaking theoretically…[/quote]

In my opinion, emotions are the equivalent of a computer routine or a macro that go into action under certain circumstances (there is an example in an earlier thread where a cat ends up mothering ducklings). Thinking things out takes too long (like when a lion is about to tear you apart). Thinking is a good set of brakes for some emotions, but alone, like brakes with no car, it’s sort of useless.

[FlyerInHi]

I kind of agree, njtosd.

I just bought a condo on gut instinct.

The mind didn’t think. The heart wasn’t there because it’s ugly.
My gut told me that the 80s condo is in great location and will command good rents when remodeled.

My computer macro calculated really fast because I knew the area, etc… When I remodel, I just knock out walls without a second thought (I can tell if load-bearing very quickly). No need for architectural drawings, etc.. It’s all in my mind. It would be very frustrating having to explain or convince someone!!

However, the pursuit of objectivity and dispassionate thinking is still very worthwhile. Less feelings and emotions makes your life easier.

No need to ponder if someone disrespected me. I respect myself and that’s all that matters. Some feelings cause addictive behavior — the need for a coffee, the desire for a cupcake, the lusting after a luxury car. So you spend a lot productive time and money seeking it out.

I’m not Buddhist at all, but they say that you can transcend the human condition by controlling your desires and feelings.

If you relate personality to real estate, rational thinking gives you a greek/roman villa, or a zen Japanese house. Feelings and emotions result in a cluttered Victorian house. I’m scared of Victorians. They look haunted.

[poorgradstudent]

[quote=njtosd][quote=Rich Toscano]Just to be clear specifically on the Myers-Briggs thing, the “T vs. F” spectrum isn’t about whether you have emotions, it’s about how you make decisions (whether it’s more driven by analysis or gut feel). It’s been a while since I read up on this stuff but that’s what I recall…[/quote]

FWIW – my comment was primarily responding to FlyerInHi’s (Brian’s) pursuit of “objectivity” and dispassionate analysis.

T vs. F also would seem to indicate whether people can shake off mild (or not so mild) OCD tendencies, which can result in the paralysis by analysis situation. My in laws spent 25 years trying to decide on a design for their patio . . .[/quote]

I have to say that one of the things I am best at in life is making tough decisions with incomplete information and accepting the fact that it was the “right” decision at the time, even if further information shows it was not ideal.

I think it comes from all the time I spent playing poker. The correct play doesn’t always win, but it can still be the correct play. There are times in life when no decision or a delayed decision is the optimum strategy. But when you’re forced to make a call, such as choosing between two homes or two job offers, you make a call and accept that it was the best decision at the time with the available information.

[CA renter]

[quote=njtosd][quote=CA renter]
Because of this, we are judging this man’s actions only from our emotional perspective. Maybe, if we could create a world where people would never have to interact with or rely on other humans, things would work out better for Elliot than for the rest of us. We’re looking at this case from a very biased perspective.

Just speaking theoretically…[/quote]

In my opinion, emotions are the equivalent of a computer routine or a macro that go into action under certain circumstances (there is an example in an earlier thread where a cat ends up mothering ducklings). Thinking things out takes too long (like when a lion is about to tear you apart). Thinking is a good set of brakes for some emotions, but alone, like brakes with no car, it’s sort of useless.[/quote]

Interesting analogy. I suppose instinct and emotion might have a similar role in the case of the cat or if one is approached by a wild lion…but is instinct really emotion, or is it a type of automatic logical programming?

But “analysis paralysis” really is an issue for me, too. I’m probably more dispassionate about decisions than most, and when confronted with two options that can possibly have equally beneficial outcomes (for the same cost), I have a definite problem with decision making.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=poorgradstudent][quote=njtosd][quote=Rich Toscano]Just to be clear specifically on the Myers-Briggs thing, the “T vs. F” spectrum isn’t about whether you have emotions, it’s about how you make decisions (whether it’s more driven by analysis or gut feel). It’s been a while since I read up on this stuff but that’s what I recall…[/quote]

FWIW – my comment was primarily responding to FlyerInHi’s (Brian’s) pursuit of “objectivity” and dispassionate analysis.

T vs. F also would seem to indicate whether people can shake off mild (or not so mild) OCD tendencies, which can result in the paralysis by analysis situation. My in laws spent 25 years trying to decide on a design for their patio . . .[/quote]

I have to say that one of the things I am best at in life is making tough decisions with incomplete information and accepting the fact that it was the “right” decision at the time, even if further information shows it was not ideal.

I think it comes from all the time I spent playing poker. The correct play doesn’t always win, but it can still be the correct play. There are times in life when no decision or a delayed decision is the optimum strategy. But when you’re forced to make a call, such as choosing between two homes or two job offers, you make a call and accept that it was the best decision at the time with the available information.[/quote]

yeah. i’m not bad at this in terms of other people’s lives or money. oftne i tell people you ahve two choices; one sucks but the other one is horrifically shitty and life ruinous. it’s your decision, but i would go with the option that just sucks…

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