Ot. Gum disease

[FlyerInHi]

Mustard oil and turmeric are good. But you’re going to have some unsightly yellow teeth.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Mustard oil and turmeric are good. But you’re going to have some unsightly yellow teeth.[/quote]LOL…

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=FlyerInHi]Mustard oil and turmeric are good. But you’re going to have some unsightly yellow teeth.[/quote]LOL…[/quote]

Color irrelevant if inflammation reduced.

[svelte]

[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=bearishgurl][quote=FlyerInHi]Mustard oil and turmeric are good. But you’re going to have some unsightly yellow teeth.[/quote]LOL…[/quote]

Color irrelevant if inflammation reduced.[/quote]

Even though it is labeled for mouth sores and I’ve never had any, the last few months I’ve taken to using Colgate Peroxyl as a daily mouthwash and have been pretty happy with the results. My mouth feels healthier and it appears to have reduced/eliminated episodes of bad breath. I dare say it has helped my gums also…probably all of the above is inter-related.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=svelte]
Even though it is labeled for mouth sores and I’ve never had any, the last few months I’ve taken to using Colgate Peroxyl as a daily mouthwash and have been pretty happy with the results. My mouth feels healthier and it appears to have reduced/eliminated episodes of bad breath. I dare say it has helped my gums also…probably all of the above is inter-related.[/quote]

You could be saving money using plain hydrogen peroxide. Like a huge amount percentage wise.
http://www.using-hydrogen-peroxide.com/hydrogen-peroxide-for-mouth-wash.html

[TeCKis300]

What about just a gentle warm salt water rinse regularly?

[NotCranky]

Scaredy , everybody has something thats going to come on with old age first, there will be more don’t worry. For me I have psoriasis or whatever it’s called, recurring cradle cap, not severe, but still. Also I am probably going to be one of those guys whose hands shake! Maybe that could be put to good use somehow? Polishing gem stones?
Looks like I’ll die with good teeth and hair though. I’ll look o.k.

[scaredyclassic]

Some is unavoidable. However I am starting to think gum disease are like bunions…avoidable with real lifestyle changes.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=TeCKis300]What about just a gentle warm salt water rinse regularly?[/quote]

This is a good idea.

There are 2 things going on.

Anti inflammation.

And killing bad bacteria that live off sugar.

The salt helps with the latter.

But fighting inflammation seems critical, not just to gum health but all over. Diet. And some healing substances when things are bad.

I think I believe in turmeric. And garlic. And mustard oil. And plain yogurt. And using coconut oil and baking soda as toothpaste. And flossing.

[ucodegen]

[quote=scaredyclassic]My gums disease has gotten worse recently. I could brush and floss more. But my recent research informs me that diet may make a big difference. Some periodontists believe carbs, refined flour esp, create a nasty mouth environment that fills with plaque for susceptible people like me.[/quote]
Refined starch/sugar is bad for almost everyone in large amounts. Refined starches convert to sugars very quickly, and sugars feed the bad bacteria in the mouth. I also wonder about other parts of your health and how you are brushing as well.
[quote=scaredyclassic]
So I am trying a 90 day experiment until my next cleaning…no carbs, no bread or rice or sugars just olive oil salads beans and meat, and see if it gives my gums a chance to heal. … also going to drink green tea all day as some research says this helps gums heal.[/quote]
Good start, the salad-lean meat is similar to the Atkins diet. You also might want to look at how you are brushing/flossing and with what type of toothpaste.

I would brush first to get most of the bacteria out. Flossing first can drive bacteria into the gums if there is more bacteria on the surface than under the gums. I use Arm&Hammer PeroxiCare – tastes like crap but really seems to work. Contains hydrogen peroxide and baking soda. Many toothpastes still contain sugar (to make them more palatable). PeroxiCare is available at Walmart.

I tend to floss with some of the toothpaste still in my mouth (because it has hydrogen peroxide and baking soda). It is a little messy to do, but seems to do a better job of cleaning under the gums. The other thing I sometimes do is use a WaterPik.

Rinse with water, swishing it to try and force it between your teeth (mouth and jaw closed using the tongue to force the water between the teeth). Then rinse same way with Listerine. After spitting out the Listerine, I tend to let the remaining amount stay in my mouth for a few minutes before final rinse.

Sometimes using ACT restoring mouthwash also helps, but this is more focused on tooth integrity than gum.

When you brush is also important. If you are having problems, might be good after each meal. It is also more important to brush before going to bed – because bacteria will have all night to work at your gums and teeth if you don’t.
[quote=scaredyclassic]
This gum disease is related to plaque, the same crap in our arteries. I have a feeling my crappy mouth is related to internal crap.[/quote]
No they are not related other than they both may be diet related. The olive oil, salads and beans may help with plaque in your arteries. You need to increase the ratio of HDL to LDL fats on your blood. Omega 3 fatty acids also help your arteries.

By the way, the bacteria that attacks your teeth and gums can lead to Chronic Heart Failure if it gets in your blood because that same bacteria also attacks the heart.

[FlyerInHi]

ucodegen, sounds like you’re a health care pro’s dream patient and worse nightmare all in one.

About Atkins, I personally don’t believe in too much meat so I will have carbs with lots of veggies and different fruits everyday. I’m lucky i prefer fruit over bakery as sweet stuff. A modified Thai/Vietnamese diet with lots of veggies, some carb is ideal for me. I love my local Thai restaurant. Of course, each person is different.

Scaredy, lots of people recommend swishing with coconut oil everyday. I’ve never done it, but will give it a whirl.

[ucodegen]

[quote=FlyerInHi]ucodegen, sounds like you’re a health care pro’s dream patient and worse nightmare all in one.[/quote]
You are probably right. I can describe symptoms in great detail and describe conditions and actions before and after. I also have a Physicians PDR (details on drugs, effects, warnings etc), and look up causes, read medical research papers when I can get my hands on them etc.
[quote=FlyerInHi]
About Atkins, I personally don’t believe in too much meat so I will have carbs with lots of veggies and different fruits everyday. I’m lucky i prefer fruit over bakery as sweet stuff. A modified Thai/Vietnamese diet with lots of veggies, some carb is ideal for me. I love my local Thai restaurant. Of course, each person is different.
[/quote] I grew up with part of an old orchard at my parents house (the land was formerly an orchard that was turned into housing – house was built by the architect for himself and he kept most of the trees instead of scraping). I prefer fruit to carb based ‘treats’, but most of the fruit I find is not really up to snuff – picked too soon and expected to ripen on the shelves. The result is fruit that is a bit starchy and lacking in taste. Apricots seem to be the most sensitive in this respect. Mandarin oranges that you get in the store are nothing like the real thing.

Atkins does not rule out lots of greens/fruits with some meat..

[ltsddd]

Sounds like you need a deep cleaning. The dental hygienist should be able to tell you the depth of the pockets between your teeth and gum. If they are in the 4-5 range then that’s bad. Inflammation on the gum is a good indication that there are some deep pockets in there. If that’s the case you’ll either do a deep cleaning or floss/brush/rinse more regularly. I think the change in diet may help, but flossing daily and brush/rinse at least twice a day will probably produce better results.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=ltsdd]Sounds like you need a deep cleaning. The dental hygienist should be able to tell you the depth of the pockets between your teeth and gum. If they are in the 4-5 range then that’s bad. Inflammation on the gum is a good indication that there are some deep pockets in there. If that’s the case you’ll either do a deep cleaning or floss/brush/rinse more regularly. I think the change in diet may help, but flossing daily and brush/rinse at least twice a day will probably produce better results.[/quote]

Yeah, lots of 4s and 5s, 1st time I’ve heard that. Anecdotal evidence on Internet periodontal chat sites seems to indicate one can turn this around to 2s and 3s with some serious focused effort. I am dedicatedoing. I am motivated. I am on a quest to be my best.

[cvmom]

A family member of mine has turned around some serious gum disease with very focused treatment. He uses an ultrasonic toothbrush twice a day and an ultrasonic(?) water pic once a day, very thoroughly. Goes to the dentist 4x per year for deep cleaning. It has been many years since he first got the bad news, prior to that he had never taken the dentist, flossing, etc. seriously. But he got religion in this area and has avoided the very serious consequences. It can be done.

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