OT: and we wonder why there is so much anger.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=flyer]Since I don’t see how all parties concerned with regard to law enforcement issues will ever be able to come to terms with one another, imo, things can only get worse.

I’d be glad to be proven wrong, but at the very least, it seems to be clear that there will, most likely, be fewer and fewer individuals willing to serve the law enforcement needs of the populace going forward, and it will be interesting to see where that takes us as a society.[/quote]

almost certainly not a concern IMO.

big war machine produces steady stream of vets of which a good percentage will likely want to be law enforcement.

[SK in CV]

[quote=flyer]Since I don’t see how all parties concerned with regard to law enforcement issues will ever be able to come to terms with one another (those serving, and those they serve) imo, things can only get worse.

I’d be glad to be proven wrong, but at the very least, it seems to be clear that there will, most likely, be fewer and fewer individuals willing to serve the law enforcement needs of the populace going forward, and it will be interesting to see where that takes us as a society.[/quote]

I’m missing something. How are things getting worse?

[Anonymous]

Flyer refers to some “things” getting worse.

Seems he’s suggesting that we will have a shortage in law enforcement because nobody will want the job.

The flawed assumption there is that “more is better.” It comes up often in municipal funding debates. “We need to raise the budget because we need more police…”

In general, America doesn’t need more law enforcement. America needs law enforcement that is focused on real public safety issues. Many municipal police forces have degraded into street gangs focused on revenue and power. “The war on drugs” has enabled this transition. Example right here:

http://piggington.com/ot_roadside_drug_testing_one_more_reason_why_police_reform

End the “war on drugs” – get law enforcement focused on actual public safety and hold cops who break the law accountable.

Maybe things are getting worse, but there’s plenty of room and a clear path for things to get better.

[spdrun]

^^^

This.

[spdrun]

On that note, police recruits are down 90% in some areas, and as things get worse, no doubt there will be more and more early retirements and fewer applicants, so it will be interesting to see how society functions, should we ever get to the point where those in need call and no one answers.

The question is, who are the recruits who are not applying? If people who are considering the job for the power are being weeded out, good riddance. If decent people are being discouraged and power-hungry asshats are still applying, then that’s unfortunate.

Anyway, the goal should be to weed out the power-hungry asshats via psych testing and/or training before they step foot on the street in a uniform.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=bearishgurl]
FIH, why are your posts frequently condemning people who only want to make a living IN their respective regions until they retire? It’s no skin off your back if they get to work and stay off unemployment and SNAP.

That’s how I’ve been reading your posts.[/quote]

I’ll be honest. Because many of those folks are idiots. They latch on to hateful ideas such as immigrant bashing. Those who are still employed but insecure disparage the poor and unemployed and people different from them.

In reality, they need retraining and assistance and even compensation to get though changing economic conditions.

I have seen it CA since the 80s culminating with Prop 187. Guess what? CA has prospered since then, new immigrants, foreign and domestic, have come and they made it in our great state. The people who bitch, if they are so smart, need to look in the mirror and wonder why they can’t make it when others do so well and are happy.

BG, you keep on bitching about east Chula Vista, Eastlake, etc… Not my style, but those houses are perfectly nice houses, nicer than the old houses in the west. So what if there are Mello Roos and HOA? People are happily living there, able and willing to pay. They are doing some things right.

Your call for a moratorium on building to keep people out is an assault on property rights and just hateful. It’s also economically backwards, just like building a wall.

[FlyerInHi]

When people says things like “be careful it’s going to get worse” it’s coded message to accept the evil of the status quo lest we be overwhelmed by danger from undesirables.

I streamed this on my way to Vegas. Very apropos.
via npr: Is Trump’s Call For ‘Law And Order’ A Coded Racial Message? http://n.pr/2a3rbnd

[Hobie]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=flyer]On that note, police recruits are down 90% in some areas, and as things get worse, no doubt there will be more and more early retirements and fewer applicants, so it will be interesting to see how society functions, should we ever get to the point where those in need call and no one answers.[/quote]

What do you mean by “as things get worse”?[/quote]

maybe as more cops are being ambushed for one.

[Hobie]

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[SK in CV]

[quote=Hobie][quote=SK in CV][quote=flyer]On that note, police recruits are down 90% in some areas, and as things get worse, no doubt there will be more and more early retirements and fewer applicants, so it will be interesting to see how society functions, should we ever get to the point where those in need call and no one answers.[/quote]

What do you mean by “as things get worse”?[/quote]

maybe as more cops are being ambushed for one.[/quote]

Except they’re not. This year is higher than last year, much of that in the last 30 days. But the last 5 years are lower than the 5 before that. And those 5 years are lower than the 5 before that. And it’s been going that way for 30 years. The last 30 days have been an anomaly. Absent that, there is no evidence that things are more dangerous for cops.

[Hobie]

An anomaly? You are too smart to discount the beginnings of BLM and the implied endorsement they are getting from POTUS. You know this is a major factor.

What flyer says is true. Keep watching the news.

It’s not attractive to take the party line of cops are the problem. I’m sure you would be the first when pulled over, to cooperate fully with cops demands and sue their ass later.

Much more effective than blocking freeways.

[Anonymous]

LOL it always comes back to Obama.

“Keep watching the news.”

It’s obvious what news Hobie is watching.

[spdrun]

BLM doesn’t kill cops. Nutjobs that are angry at cops, justifiably or not, do.

If we have fewer things that make people pissed off at cops like…
* Rapacious civil forfeiture
* Warrantless searches/internal checkpoints
* Jailing someone based on a flawed test of a crumb of a white substance found on a vehicle floor
* Breaking the neck of an unarmed Indian man who was walking around his son’s neighborhood looking at houses
* Shooting at unarmed people
* Abuse and punishment of suspects not yet convicted of a crime. “Rough rides” didn’t only happen to Freddie Gray.
* Random harassment of people not suspected of a crime (aka stop and frisk).

… then maybe fewer people will be angry enough at cops to want to shoot at them. If anything, opening a dialogue about the proper behavior and role of law enforcement is likely to SAVE police lives down the line.

Kudos to Mr. President Obama for supporting BLM and continuing the dialog.

As far as cooperation with cops, don’t you think there should be limits? If a cop reaches up your wife’s skirt to search her nether regions for contraband, would you be OK with that, or would you want to punch the sonofabitch’s teeth down his throat?

Yes, incidents of that type have actually happened…
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/08/13/in-texas-police-stick-hand-up-womans-vagina-to-search-for-marijuana/

As far as street protests, they have their place. They draw public attention to a problem that they might not be aware of, sitting at home watching TV in their nice, safe, suburb.

And speaking as someone whose children will likely be biracial, I don’t want them subject to more scrutiny and abuse from police because of how they look versus because of how they act!

[Anonymous]

Now the’re even killing the “pretend bad guys”:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/08/10/woman-fatally-shot-in-accident-during-fla-citizen-police-academy-lethal-force-simulation/#comments

Will there be criminal charges filed?

Of course not. Paid leave, reinstatement, full pension.

What does the blue uniform and badge represent in America?

Zero accountability.

[spdrun]

No, it’s worse. The cops you mentioned killed a lady playing a crime victim. The good guy or girl.

If they can’t be bothered to triple check if a gun is unloaded, why not use a wooden gun or squirt gun?

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