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February 24, 2008 at 10:35 PM #11920
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February 24, 2008 at 10:51 PM #159253
SD Realtor
ParticipantSo why is this surprising to anyone?
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February 24, 2008 at 10:55 PM #159258
pnilesh
Participantwell… this is not a surprise. I am against any bailout and thats why the fuss.
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February 24, 2008 at 11:06 PM #159263
patientrenter
ParticipantI feel the same way, pnilesh. (Actually, I probably feel more strongly than you that anyone stupid or greedy enough to have gotten into an upside-down mortgage should get no break, and be made to live on milk and peanut butter on wonderbread until the debt and all interest, per the original loan terms, is paid off in full.) But you and I know that the voters who got rich, or hoped to get rich, off ridiculous increases in home prices, just don’t want to deal symmetrically with the consequences of home price decreases. And they are a majority, so they will get most of what they want. For people like us, this is what’s called a learning opportunity.
Patient renter in OC
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February 24, 2008 at 11:18 PM #159282
Deal Hunter
ParticipantAs righteous as that position is, “they” will still get their bail out and you will still end up paying for it. Well, if only we could refuse to pay our taxes and by that route refuse to bail out the banks. Then, we could really teach those “geniuses” a lesson.
I read this article and recalled what one of my clients told me about “walking away.” She said that the government was going to do all it can to bail out the banks, the brokers and the many homeowners who bought homes beyond their means. As a taxpayer, she is contributing to the bail out and therefore feels justified in walking away from her upside down mortgage. She figures it’s her money in the end anyway.
I’m not so quick to put all the blame on homeowners. Banks who approved the loans and sold them off as derivatives also refuse to deal symmetrically with the consequences of home price decreases. If you have a pension fund that invested in these derivatives, you got walked out on by the banks when they wrote-down their assets in mortgage backed securities.
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February 24, 2008 at 11:18 PM #159576
Deal Hunter
ParticipantAs righteous as that position is, “they” will still get their bail out and you will still end up paying for it. Well, if only we could refuse to pay our taxes and by that route refuse to bail out the banks. Then, we could really teach those “geniuses” a lesson.
I read this article and recalled what one of my clients told me about “walking away.” She said that the government was going to do all it can to bail out the banks, the brokers and the many homeowners who bought homes beyond their means. As a taxpayer, she is contributing to the bail out and therefore feels justified in walking away from her upside down mortgage. She figures it’s her money in the end anyway.
I’m not so quick to put all the blame on homeowners. Banks who approved the loans and sold them off as derivatives also refuse to deal symmetrically with the consequences of home price decreases. If you have a pension fund that invested in these derivatives, you got walked out on by the banks when they wrote-down their assets in mortgage backed securities.
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February 24, 2008 at 11:18 PM #159592
Deal Hunter
ParticipantAs righteous as that position is, “they” will still get their bail out and you will still end up paying for it. Well, if only we could refuse to pay our taxes and by that route refuse to bail out the banks. Then, we could really teach those “geniuses” a lesson.
I read this article and recalled what one of my clients told me about “walking away.” She said that the government was going to do all it can to bail out the banks, the brokers and the many homeowners who bought homes beyond their means. As a taxpayer, she is contributing to the bail out and therefore feels justified in walking away from her upside down mortgage. She figures it’s her money in the end anyway.
I’m not so quick to put all the blame on homeowners. Banks who approved the loans and sold them off as derivatives also refuse to deal symmetrically with the consequences of home price decreases. If you have a pension fund that invested in these derivatives, you got walked out on by the banks when they wrote-down their assets in mortgage backed securities.
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February 24, 2008 at 11:18 PM #159598
Deal Hunter
ParticipantAs righteous as that position is, “they” will still get their bail out and you will still end up paying for it. Well, if only we could refuse to pay our taxes and by that route refuse to bail out the banks. Then, we could really teach those “geniuses” a lesson.
I read this article and recalled what one of my clients told me about “walking away.” She said that the government was going to do all it can to bail out the banks, the brokers and the many homeowners who bought homes beyond their means. As a taxpayer, she is contributing to the bail out and therefore feels justified in walking away from her upside down mortgage. She figures it’s her money in the end anyway.
I’m not so quick to put all the blame on homeowners. Banks who approved the loans and sold them off as derivatives also refuse to deal symmetrically with the consequences of home price decreases. If you have a pension fund that invested in these derivatives, you got walked out on by the banks when they wrote-down their assets in mortgage backed securities.
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February 24, 2008 at 11:18 PM #159671
Deal Hunter
ParticipantAs righteous as that position is, “they” will still get their bail out and you will still end up paying for it. Well, if only we could refuse to pay our taxes and by that route refuse to bail out the banks. Then, we could really teach those “geniuses” a lesson.
I read this article and recalled what one of my clients told me about “walking away.” She said that the government was going to do all it can to bail out the banks, the brokers and the many homeowners who bought homes beyond their means. As a taxpayer, she is contributing to the bail out and therefore feels justified in walking away from her upside down mortgage. She figures it’s her money in the end anyway.
I’m not so quick to put all the blame on homeowners. Banks who approved the loans and sold them off as derivatives also refuse to deal symmetrically with the consequences of home price decreases. If you have a pension fund that invested in these derivatives, you got walked out on by the banks when they wrote-down their assets in mortgage backed securities.
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February 24, 2008 at 11:06 PM #159556
patientrenter
ParticipantI feel the same way, pnilesh. (Actually, I probably feel more strongly than you that anyone stupid or greedy enough to have gotten into an upside-down mortgage should get no break, and be made to live on milk and peanut butter on wonderbread until the debt and all interest, per the original loan terms, is paid off in full.) But you and I know that the voters who got rich, or hoped to get rich, off ridiculous increases in home prices, just don’t want to deal symmetrically with the consequences of home price decreases. And they are a majority, so they will get most of what they want. For people like us, this is what’s called a learning opportunity.
Patient renter in OC
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February 24, 2008 at 11:06 PM #159572
patientrenter
ParticipantI feel the same way, pnilesh. (Actually, I probably feel more strongly than you that anyone stupid or greedy enough to have gotten into an upside-down mortgage should get no break, and be made to live on milk and peanut butter on wonderbread until the debt and all interest, per the original loan terms, is paid off in full.) But you and I know that the voters who got rich, or hoped to get rich, off ridiculous increases in home prices, just don’t want to deal symmetrically with the consequences of home price decreases. And they are a majority, so they will get most of what they want. For people like us, this is what’s called a learning opportunity.
Patient renter in OC
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February 24, 2008 at 11:06 PM #159579
patientrenter
ParticipantI feel the same way, pnilesh. (Actually, I probably feel more strongly than you that anyone stupid or greedy enough to have gotten into an upside-down mortgage should get no break, and be made to live on milk and peanut butter on wonderbread until the debt and all interest, per the original loan terms, is paid off in full.) But you and I know that the voters who got rich, or hoped to get rich, off ridiculous increases in home prices, just don’t want to deal symmetrically with the consequences of home price decreases. And they are a majority, so they will get most of what they want. For people like us, this is what’s called a learning opportunity.
Patient renter in OC
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February 24, 2008 at 11:06 PM #159651
patientrenter
ParticipantI feel the same way, pnilesh. (Actually, I probably feel more strongly than you that anyone stupid or greedy enough to have gotten into an upside-down mortgage should get no break, and be made to live on milk and peanut butter on wonderbread until the debt and all interest, per the original loan terms, is paid off in full.) But you and I know that the voters who got rich, or hoped to get rich, off ridiculous increases in home prices, just don’t want to deal symmetrically with the consequences of home price decreases. And they are a majority, so they will get most of what they want. For people like us, this is what’s called a learning opportunity.
Patient renter in OC
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February 24, 2008 at 11:08 PM #159268
SD Realtor
ParticipantI know pnelish… I am with you…just in a cynical sunday nite mood… not harshing on you, just on our government.
SD Realtor
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February 24, 2008 at 11:25 PM #159293
CA renter
ParticipantIf you honestly care about not bailing out Wall Street (those who made fistloads of money off this bubble **and demanded that the government NOT regulate the lending industry**), CALL YOUR REPRESENTATIVES TODAY!!!!!
Write letters, send e-mails, contact journalists, etc. and call them every single day to tell them that taxpayers will not stand by while Congress gives our money to the bankers who caused this mess in the first place.
You can find out who all your representatives are here:
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February 24, 2008 at 11:25 PM #159586
CA renter
ParticipantIf you honestly care about not bailing out Wall Street (those who made fistloads of money off this bubble **and demanded that the government NOT regulate the lending industry**), CALL YOUR REPRESENTATIVES TODAY!!!!!
Write letters, send e-mails, contact journalists, etc. and call them every single day to tell them that taxpayers will not stand by while Congress gives our money to the bankers who caused this mess in the first place.
You can find out who all your representatives are here:
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February 24, 2008 at 11:25 PM #159604
CA renter
ParticipantIf you honestly care about not bailing out Wall Street (those who made fistloads of money off this bubble **and demanded that the government NOT regulate the lending industry**), CALL YOUR REPRESENTATIVES TODAY!!!!!
Write letters, send e-mails, contact journalists, etc. and call them every single day to tell them that taxpayers will not stand by while Congress gives our money to the bankers who caused this mess in the first place.
You can find out who all your representatives are here:
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February 24, 2008 at 11:25 PM #159609
CA renter
ParticipantIf you honestly care about not bailing out Wall Street (those who made fistloads of money off this bubble **and demanded that the government NOT regulate the lending industry**), CALL YOUR REPRESENTATIVES TODAY!!!!!
Write letters, send e-mails, contact journalists, etc. and call them every single day to tell them that taxpayers will not stand by while Congress gives our money to the bankers who caused this mess in the first place.
You can find out who all your representatives are here:
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February 24, 2008 at 11:25 PM #159681
CA renter
ParticipantIf you honestly care about not bailing out Wall Street (those who made fistloads of money off this bubble **and demanded that the government NOT regulate the lending industry**), CALL YOUR REPRESENTATIVES TODAY!!!!!
Write letters, send e-mails, contact journalists, etc. and call them every single day to tell them that taxpayers will not stand by while Congress gives our money to the bankers who caused this mess in the first place.
You can find out who all your representatives are here:
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February 24, 2008 at 11:08 PM #159561
SD Realtor
ParticipantI know pnelish… I am with you…just in a cynical sunday nite mood… not harshing on you, just on our government.
SD Realtor
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February 24, 2008 at 11:08 PM #159578
SD Realtor
ParticipantI know pnelish… I am with you…just in a cynical sunday nite mood… not harshing on you, just on our government.
SD Realtor
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February 24, 2008 at 11:08 PM #159583
SD Realtor
ParticipantI know pnelish… I am with you…just in a cynical sunday nite mood… not harshing on you, just on our government.
SD Realtor
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February 24, 2008 at 11:08 PM #159656
SD Realtor
ParticipantI know pnelish… I am with you…just in a cynical sunday nite mood… not harshing on you, just on our government.
SD Realtor
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February 24, 2008 at 10:55 PM #159551
pnilesh
Participantwell… this is not a surprise. I am against any bailout and thats why the fuss.
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February 24, 2008 at 10:55 PM #159567
pnilesh
Participantwell… this is not a surprise. I am against any bailout and thats why the fuss.
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February 24, 2008 at 10:55 PM #159573
pnilesh
Participantwell… this is not a surprise. I am against any bailout and thats why the fuss.
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February 24, 2008 at 10:55 PM #159646
pnilesh
Participantwell… this is not a surprise. I am against any bailout and thats why the fuss.
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February 24, 2008 at 10:51 PM #159546
SD Realtor
ParticipantSo why is this surprising to anyone?
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February 24, 2008 at 10:51 PM #159563
SD Realtor
ParticipantSo why is this surprising to anyone?
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February 24, 2008 at 10:51 PM #159566
SD Realtor
ParticipantSo why is this surprising to anyone?
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February 24, 2008 at 10:51 PM #159641
SD Realtor
ParticipantSo why is this surprising to anyone?
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February 24, 2008 at 11:27 PM #159303
Coronita
ParticipantYou know..I did call this a few posts ago… Let me dig the thread up…
[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]
—– Sour grapes for everyone!
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February 24, 2008 at 11:30 PM #159308
Coronita
ParticipantAh yes, found the thread.
http://piggington.com/bank_of_america_to_buy_countrywide_for_4billion
…See my comment 4-5th down…Reposted here…
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The biggest question here is: Did BofA guess right, or wrong? The acquisition was at a considerable discount from the previous market cap, but the company is in disarray, with many thinking the worst is yet to come. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
My guess is that they won't be doing the cleanup without assistance from the Gov. I'm sure they'll get some deal from the Fed. Fed will just use BofA as a proxy to do the toxic cleanup. I wasn't kidding in the previous post about all BofA doing "one time restructing charges" for the next couple of quarters or years….They'll just keep playing the game "we beat estimates before the one time charges", but here are the one time charges related to the CFC acquisition. You spread the loss over a couple of quarters over a few years, with the assistance of cash infusion from Fed or foreign companies ,possibly sell off some of this toxic waste at a huge discount to offshore investors, and in a few years, problem magically goes away. Lol….
They're already starting to play this game:
Bank of America expects a $1.2 billion restructuring charge from the transaction, and said it will need a couple of billion dollars of new capital to help preserve its capital ratios.
The next time, it will be another 1.2 billion. Do this across 8 quarters, you got a nice 10.6 billion in charges you just passed through over the course of 2 years, while still being able to look great to wall street ("it was only the one time restructuring charges".) This would be great for BofA to clean their own house too, everything bad is related to the restructuring.
[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]
—– Sour grapes for everyone!
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February 24, 2008 at 11:51 PM #159337
SD Realtor
ParticipantFLU I think B of A played the hand perfectly. Somehow it all seems very predictable doesn’t it? I think we even had a thread about this where we did predict such action when the BA CWC deal went down. To lazy to dig it up.
Dealhunter agreed that there is lot’s of blame to go around. So let the players all work it out between themselves. My tax money still needs to build bridges to nowhere.
and yeah I have sent mucho mails and faxes to my ever so helpful elected officials.
SD Realtor
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February 24, 2008 at 11:51 PM #159634
SD Realtor
ParticipantFLU I think B of A played the hand perfectly. Somehow it all seems very predictable doesn’t it? I think we even had a thread about this where we did predict such action when the BA CWC deal went down. To lazy to dig it up.
Dealhunter agreed that there is lot’s of blame to go around. So let the players all work it out between themselves. My tax money still needs to build bridges to nowhere.
and yeah I have sent mucho mails and faxes to my ever so helpful elected officials.
SD Realtor
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February 24, 2008 at 11:51 PM #159648
SD Realtor
ParticipantFLU I think B of A played the hand perfectly. Somehow it all seems very predictable doesn’t it? I think we even had a thread about this where we did predict such action when the BA CWC deal went down. To lazy to dig it up.
Dealhunter agreed that there is lot’s of blame to go around. So let the players all work it out between themselves. My tax money still needs to build bridges to nowhere.
and yeah I have sent mucho mails and faxes to my ever so helpful elected officials.
SD Realtor
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February 24, 2008 at 11:51 PM #159655
SD Realtor
ParticipantFLU I think B of A played the hand perfectly. Somehow it all seems very predictable doesn’t it? I think we even had a thread about this where we did predict such action when the BA CWC deal went down. To lazy to dig it up.
Dealhunter agreed that there is lot’s of blame to go around. So let the players all work it out between themselves. My tax money still needs to build bridges to nowhere.
and yeah I have sent mucho mails and faxes to my ever so helpful elected officials.
SD Realtor
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February 24, 2008 at 11:51 PM #159727
SD Realtor
ParticipantFLU I think B of A played the hand perfectly. Somehow it all seems very predictable doesn’t it? I think we even had a thread about this where we did predict such action when the BA CWC deal went down. To lazy to dig it up.
Dealhunter agreed that there is lot’s of blame to go around. So let the players all work it out between themselves. My tax money still needs to build bridges to nowhere.
and yeah I have sent mucho mails and faxes to my ever so helpful elected officials.
SD Realtor
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February 24, 2008 at 11:30 PM #159601
Coronita
ParticipantAh yes, found the thread.
http://piggington.com/bank_of_america_to_buy_countrywide_for_4billion
…See my comment 4-5th down…Reposted here…
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The biggest question here is: Did BofA guess right, or wrong? The acquisition was at a considerable discount from the previous market cap, but the company is in disarray, with many thinking the worst is yet to come. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
My guess is that they won't be doing the cleanup without assistance from the Gov. I'm sure they'll get some deal from the Fed. Fed will just use BofA as a proxy to do the toxic cleanup. I wasn't kidding in the previous post about all BofA doing "one time restructing charges" for the next couple of quarters or years….They'll just keep playing the game "we beat estimates before the one time charges", but here are the one time charges related to the CFC acquisition. You spread the loss over a couple of quarters over a few years, with the assistance of cash infusion from Fed or foreign companies ,possibly sell off some of this toxic waste at a huge discount to offshore investors, and in a few years, problem magically goes away. Lol….
They're already starting to play this game:
Bank of America expects a $1.2 billion restructuring charge from the transaction, and said it will need a couple of billion dollars of new capital to help preserve its capital ratios.
The next time, it will be another 1.2 billion. Do this across 8 quarters, you got a nice 10.6 billion in charges you just passed through over the course of 2 years, while still being able to look great to wall street ("it was only the one time restructuring charges".) This would be great for BofA to clean their own house too, everything bad is related to the restructuring.
[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]
—– Sour grapes for everyone!
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February 24, 2008 at 11:30 PM #159618
Coronita
ParticipantAh yes, found the thread.
http://piggington.com/bank_of_america_to_buy_countrywide_for_4billion
…See my comment 4-5th down…Reposted here…
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The biggest question here is: Did BofA guess right, or wrong? The acquisition was at a considerable discount from the previous market cap, but the company is in disarray, with many thinking the worst is yet to come. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
My guess is that they won't be doing the cleanup without assistance from the Gov. I'm sure they'll get some deal from the Fed. Fed will just use BofA as a proxy to do the toxic cleanup. I wasn't kidding in the previous post about all BofA doing "one time restructing charges" for the next couple of quarters or years….They'll just keep playing the game "we beat estimates before the one time charges", but here are the one time charges related to the CFC acquisition. You spread the loss over a couple of quarters over a few years, with the assistance of cash infusion from Fed or foreign companies ,possibly sell off some of this toxic waste at a huge discount to offshore investors, and in a few years, problem magically goes away. Lol….
They're already starting to play this game:
Bank of America expects a $1.2 billion restructuring charge from the transaction, and said it will need a couple of billion dollars of new capital to help preserve its capital ratios.
The next time, it will be another 1.2 billion. Do this across 8 quarters, you got a nice 10.6 billion in charges you just passed through over the course of 2 years, while still being able to look great to wall street ("it was only the one time restructuring charges".) This would be great for BofA to clean their own house too, everything bad is related to the restructuring.
[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]
—– Sour grapes for everyone!
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February 24, 2008 at 11:30 PM #159623
Coronita
ParticipantAh yes, found the thread.
http://piggington.com/bank_of_america_to_buy_countrywide_for_4billion
…See my comment 4-5th down…Reposted here…
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The biggest question here is: Did BofA guess right, or wrong? The acquisition was at a considerable discount from the previous market cap, but the company is in disarray, with many thinking the worst is yet to come. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
My guess is that they won't be doing the cleanup without assistance from the Gov. I'm sure they'll get some deal from the Fed. Fed will just use BofA as a proxy to do the toxic cleanup. I wasn't kidding in the previous post about all BofA doing "one time restructing charges" for the next couple of quarters or years….They'll just keep playing the game "we beat estimates before the one time charges", but here are the one time charges related to the CFC acquisition. You spread the loss over a couple of quarters over a few years, with the assistance of cash infusion from Fed or foreign companies ,possibly sell off some of this toxic waste at a huge discount to offshore investors, and in a few years, problem magically goes away. Lol….
They're already starting to play this game:
Bank of America expects a $1.2 billion restructuring charge from the transaction, and said it will need a couple of billion dollars of new capital to help preserve its capital ratios.
The next time, it will be another 1.2 billion. Do this across 8 quarters, you got a nice 10.6 billion in charges you just passed through over the course of 2 years, while still being able to look great to wall street ("it was only the one time restructuring charges".) This would be great for BofA to clean their own house too, everything bad is related to the restructuring.
[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]
—– Sour grapes for everyone!
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February 24, 2008 at 11:30 PM #159696
Coronita
ParticipantAh yes, found the thread.
http://piggington.com/bank_of_america_to_buy_countrywide_for_4billion
…See my comment 4-5th down…Reposted here…
——
The biggest question here is: Did BofA guess right, or wrong? The acquisition was at a considerable discount from the previous market cap, but the company is in disarray, with many thinking the worst is yet to come. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
My guess is that they won't be doing the cleanup without assistance from the Gov. I'm sure they'll get some deal from the Fed. Fed will just use BofA as a proxy to do the toxic cleanup. I wasn't kidding in the previous post about all BofA doing "one time restructing charges" for the next couple of quarters or years….They'll just keep playing the game "we beat estimates before the one time charges", but here are the one time charges related to the CFC acquisition. You spread the loss over a couple of quarters over a few years, with the assistance of cash infusion from Fed or foreign companies ,possibly sell off some of this toxic waste at a huge discount to offshore investors, and in a few years, problem magically goes away. Lol….
They're already starting to play this game:
Bank of America expects a $1.2 billion restructuring charge from the transaction, and said it will need a couple of billion dollars of new capital to help preserve its capital ratios.
The next time, it will be another 1.2 billion. Do this across 8 quarters, you got a nice 10.6 billion in charges you just passed through over the course of 2 years, while still being able to look great to wall street ("it was only the one time restructuring charges".) This would be great for BofA to clean their own house too, everything bad is related to the restructuring.
[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]
—– Sour grapes for everyone!
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February 24, 2008 at 11:27 PM #159596
Coronita
ParticipantYou know..I did call this a few posts ago… Let me dig the thread up…
[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]
—– Sour grapes for everyone!
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February 24, 2008 at 11:27 PM #159613
Coronita
ParticipantYou know..I did call this a few posts ago… Let me dig the thread up…
[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]
—– Sour grapes for everyone!
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February 24, 2008 at 11:27 PM #159619
Coronita
ParticipantYou know..I did call this a few posts ago… Let me dig the thread up…
[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]
—– Sour grapes for everyone!
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February 24, 2008 at 11:27 PM #159691
Coronita
ParticipantYou know..I did call this a few posts ago… Let me dig the thread up…
[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]
—– Sour grapes for everyone!
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February 24, 2008 at 11:56 PM #159342
shaggydoo
Participantpnilesh, your proposal is grounded in some common sense. Therefore it will never get implemented as govt policy unfortunately.
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February 25, 2008 at 10:02 AM #159535
davelj
ParticipantI’ll repeat myself, as I often do… All of Wall Street and the big banks love Adam Smith’s invisible hand right up until the moment it gives them the middle finger. When the two are in conflict, I have generally found that one’s innate instinct for survival trumps most previously-help philosophical beliefs. That’s part of our evolution.
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February 25, 2008 at 10:02 AM #159829
davelj
ParticipantI’ll repeat myself, as I often do… All of Wall Street and the big banks love Adam Smith’s invisible hand right up until the moment it gives them the middle finger. When the two are in conflict, I have generally found that one’s innate instinct for survival trumps most previously-help philosophical beliefs. That’s part of our evolution.
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February 25, 2008 at 10:02 AM #159844
davelj
ParticipantI’ll repeat myself, as I often do… All of Wall Street and the big banks love Adam Smith’s invisible hand right up until the moment it gives them the middle finger. When the two are in conflict, I have generally found that one’s innate instinct for survival trumps most previously-help philosophical beliefs. That’s part of our evolution.
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February 25, 2008 at 10:02 AM #159847
davelj
ParticipantI’ll repeat myself, as I often do… All of Wall Street and the big banks love Adam Smith’s invisible hand right up until the moment it gives them the middle finger. When the two are in conflict, I have generally found that one’s innate instinct for survival trumps most previously-help philosophical beliefs. That’s part of our evolution.
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February 25, 2008 at 10:02 AM #159925
davelj
ParticipantI’ll repeat myself, as I often do… All of Wall Street and the big banks love Adam Smith’s invisible hand right up until the moment it gives them the middle finger. When the two are in conflict, I have generally found that one’s innate instinct for survival trumps most previously-help philosophical beliefs. That’s part of our evolution.
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February 25, 2008 at 10:04 AM #159539
LA_Renter
ParticipantI found this on Big Picture. It is an interview with George Magnus, the senior economic advisor for UBS. He explains the Minsky moment and basically says “you ain’t seen nothing yet” regarding the sheer scale of the Govt bailout he expects here in the US. He anticipates a Trillion dollar meltdown. There are three parts in video form that run back to back. Very very interesting indeed.
http://www.ft.com/cms/893ac9c8-757e-11dc-b7cb-0000779fd2ac.html
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February 25, 2008 at 10:04 AM #159834
LA_Renter
ParticipantI found this on Big Picture. It is an interview with George Magnus, the senior economic advisor for UBS. He explains the Minsky moment and basically says “you ain’t seen nothing yet” regarding the sheer scale of the Govt bailout he expects here in the US. He anticipates a Trillion dollar meltdown. There are three parts in video form that run back to back. Very very interesting indeed.
http://www.ft.com/cms/893ac9c8-757e-11dc-b7cb-0000779fd2ac.html
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February 25, 2008 at 10:04 AM #159850
LA_Renter
ParticipantI found this on Big Picture. It is an interview with George Magnus, the senior economic advisor for UBS. He explains the Minsky moment and basically says “you ain’t seen nothing yet” regarding the sheer scale of the Govt bailout he expects here in the US. He anticipates a Trillion dollar meltdown. There are three parts in video form that run back to back. Very very interesting indeed.
http://www.ft.com/cms/893ac9c8-757e-11dc-b7cb-0000779fd2ac.html
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February 25, 2008 at 10:04 AM #159854
LA_Renter
ParticipantI found this on Big Picture. It is an interview with George Magnus, the senior economic advisor for UBS. He explains the Minsky moment and basically says “you ain’t seen nothing yet” regarding the sheer scale of the Govt bailout he expects here in the US. He anticipates a Trillion dollar meltdown. There are three parts in video form that run back to back. Very very interesting indeed.
http://www.ft.com/cms/893ac9c8-757e-11dc-b7cb-0000779fd2ac.html
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February 25, 2008 at 10:04 AM #159928
LA_Renter
ParticipantI found this on Big Picture. It is an interview with George Magnus, the senior economic advisor for UBS. He explains the Minsky moment and basically says “you ain’t seen nothing yet” regarding the sheer scale of the Govt bailout he expects here in the US. He anticipates a Trillion dollar meltdown. There are three parts in video form that run back to back. Very very interesting indeed.
http://www.ft.com/cms/893ac9c8-757e-11dc-b7cb-0000779fd2ac.html
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February 24, 2008 at 11:56 PM #159639
shaggydoo
Participantpnilesh, your proposal is grounded in some common sense. Therefore it will never get implemented as govt policy unfortunately.
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February 24, 2008 at 11:56 PM #159653
shaggydoo
Participantpnilesh, your proposal is grounded in some common sense. Therefore it will never get implemented as govt policy unfortunately.
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February 24, 2008 at 11:56 PM #159659
shaggydoo
Participantpnilesh, your proposal is grounded in some common sense. Therefore it will never get implemented as govt policy unfortunately.
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February 24, 2008 at 11:56 PM #159732
shaggydoo
Participantpnilesh, your proposal is grounded in some common sense. Therefore it will never get implemented as govt policy unfortunately.
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