Off Topic: Curious about how others feel about the Georgian/Russian war

[dumbrenter]

Did Georgia get invaded again???

Oh no!!! Hope they leave Atlanta alone this time.

[dumbrenter]

Did Georgia get invaded again???

Oh no!!! Hope they leave Atlanta alone this time.

[dumbrenter]

[quote=Veritas]We should have let Patton kick their ass in 1945, then we would not have this problem.[/quote]

Yeah right…for all his bull*&^%, Patton would have most probably got his ass handed to him by Zukhov.

Time makes people look greater by glossing over their weaknesses, but do not forget Patton was not liked by anybody, even Americans. This guy was one failure away from being fired….very brilliant but demonstrated a good reason why generals should never be trusted with long-term strategy issues.

[dumbrenter]

[quote=Veritas]We should have let Patton kick their ass in 1945, then we would not have this problem.[/quote]

Yeah right…for all his bull*&^%, Patton would have most probably got his ass handed to him by Zukhov.

Time makes people look greater by glossing over their weaknesses, but do not forget Patton was not liked by anybody, even Americans. This guy was one failure away from being fired….very brilliant but demonstrated a good reason why generals should never be trusted with long-term strategy issues.

[dumbrenter]

[quote=Veritas]We should have let Patton kick their ass in 1945, then we would not have this problem.[/quote]

Yeah right…for all his bull*&^%, Patton would have most probably got his ass handed to him by Zukhov.

Time makes people look greater by glossing over their weaknesses, but do not forget Patton was not liked by anybody, even Americans. This guy was one failure away from being fired….very brilliant but demonstrated a good reason why generals should never be trusted with long-term strategy issues.

[dumbrenter]

[quote=Veritas]We should have let Patton kick their ass in 1945, then we would not have this problem.[/quote]

Yeah right…for all his bull*&^%, Patton would have most probably got his ass handed to him by Zukhov.

Time makes people look greater by glossing over their weaknesses, but do not forget Patton was not liked by anybody, even Americans. This guy was one failure away from being fired….very brilliant but demonstrated a good reason why generals should never be trusted with long-term strategy issues.

[dumbrenter]

[quote=Veritas]We should have let Patton kick their ass in 1945, then we would not have this problem.[/quote]

Yeah right…for all his bull*&^%, Patton would have most probably got his ass handed to him by Zukhov.

Time makes people look greater by glossing over their weaknesses, but do not forget Patton was not liked by anybody, even Americans. This guy was one failure away from being fired….very brilliant but demonstrated a good reason why generals should never be trusted with long-term strategy issues.

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Interesting thoughts from Pat Buchanan at http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/blowback_from_bear_baiting.html

American charges of Russian aggression ring hollow. Georgia started this fight — Russia finished it. People who start wars don’t get to decide how and when they end.

Russia’s response was “disproportionate” and “brutal,” wailed Bush.

True. But did we not authorize Israel to bomb Lebanon for 35 days in response to a border skirmish where several Israel soldiers were killed and two captured? Was that not many times more “disproportionate”?

Russia has invaded a sovereign country, railed Bush. But did not the United States bomb Serbia for 78 days and invade to force it to surrender a province, Kosovo, to which Serbia had a far greater historic claim than Georgia had to Abkhazia or South Ossetia, both of which prefer Moscow to Tbilisi?

Is not Western hypocrisy astonishing?

[afx114]

Interesting thoughts from Pat Buchanan at http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/blowback_from_bear_baiting.html

American charges of Russian aggression ring hollow. Georgia started this fight — Russia finished it. People who start wars don’t get to decide how and when they end.

Russia’s response was “disproportionate” and “brutal,” wailed Bush.

True. But did we not authorize Israel to bomb Lebanon for 35 days in response to a border skirmish where several Israel soldiers were killed and two captured? Was that not many times more “disproportionate”?

Russia has invaded a sovereign country, railed Bush. But did not the United States bomb Serbia for 78 days and invade to force it to surrender a province, Kosovo, to which Serbia had a far greater historic claim than Georgia had to Abkhazia or South Ossetia, both of which prefer Moscow to Tbilisi?

Is not Western hypocrisy astonishing?

[afx114]

Interesting thoughts from Pat Buchanan at http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/blowback_from_bear_baiting.html

American charges of Russian aggression ring hollow. Georgia started this fight — Russia finished it. People who start wars don’t get to decide how and when they end.

Russia’s response was “disproportionate” and “brutal,” wailed Bush.

True. But did we not authorize Israel to bomb Lebanon for 35 days in response to a border skirmish where several Israel soldiers were killed and two captured? Was that not many times more “disproportionate”?

Russia has invaded a sovereign country, railed Bush. But did not the United States bomb Serbia for 78 days and invade to force it to surrender a province, Kosovo, to which Serbia had a far greater historic claim than Georgia had to Abkhazia or South Ossetia, both of which prefer Moscow to Tbilisi?

Is not Western hypocrisy astonishing?

[afx114]

Interesting thoughts from Pat Buchanan at http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/blowback_from_bear_baiting.html

American charges of Russian aggression ring hollow. Georgia started this fight — Russia finished it. People who start wars don’t get to decide how and when they end.

Russia’s response was “disproportionate” and “brutal,” wailed Bush.

True. But did we not authorize Israel to bomb Lebanon for 35 days in response to a border skirmish where several Israel soldiers were killed and two captured? Was that not many times more “disproportionate”?

Russia has invaded a sovereign country, railed Bush. But did not the United States bomb Serbia for 78 days and invade to force it to surrender a province, Kosovo, to which Serbia had a far greater historic claim than Georgia had to Abkhazia or South Ossetia, both of which prefer Moscow to Tbilisi?

Is not Western hypocrisy astonishing?

[afx114]

Interesting thoughts from Pat Buchanan at http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/blowback_from_bear_baiting.html

American charges of Russian aggression ring hollow. Georgia started this fight — Russia finished it. People who start wars don’t get to decide how and when they end.

Russia’s response was “disproportionate” and “brutal,” wailed Bush.

True. But did we not authorize Israel to bomb Lebanon for 35 days in response to a border skirmish where several Israel soldiers were killed and two captured? Was that not many times more “disproportionate”?

Russia has invaded a sovereign country, railed Bush. But did not the United States bomb Serbia for 78 days and invade to force it to surrender a province, Kosovo, to which Serbia had a far greater historic claim than Georgia had to Abkhazia or South Ossetia, both of which prefer Moscow to Tbilisi?

Is not Western hypocrisy astonishing?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

dumbrenter: That would be the same Zhukov that suffered 300,000 casualties taking Berlin in 1945? Patton’s maneuvering of his 3rd Army to relieve Bastogne during the Ardennes Offensive ranks among the most brilliant armored thrusts of WWII.

He was widely considered the best Allied general (not just American) by the German General Staff, and this included generals of the caliber of Erich von Manstein.

Zhukov’s units had been bled white during the final push from the Oder, and I have no doubt that Patton would have waxed his ass.

His “failures” had nothing to do with his generalship, but his abrasive personality and unwillingness to put up with political BS. The same BS that allowed Montgomery to retain his position even after his failures during Normandy (Caen) and Holland (Operation Market-Garden).

[Allan from Fallbrook]

dumbrenter: That would be the same Zhukov that suffered 300,000 casualties taking Berlin in 1945? Patton’s maneuvering of his 3rd Army to relieve Bastogne during the Ardennes Offensive ranks among the most brilliant armored thrusts of WWII.

He was widely considered the best Allied general (not just American) by the German General Staff, and this included generals of the caliber of Erich von Manstein.

Zhukov’s units had been bled white during the final push from the Oder, and I have no doubt that Patton would have waxed his ass.

His “failures” had nothing to do with his generalship, but his abrasive personality and unwillingness to put up with political BS. The same BS that allowed Montgomery to retain his position even after his failures during Normandy (Caen) and Holland (Operation Market-Garden).

[Allan from Fallbrook]

dumbrenter: That would be the same Zhukov that suffered 300,000 casualties taking Berlin in 1945? Patton’s maneuvering of his 3rd Army to relieve Bastogne during the Ardennes Offensive ranks among the most brilliant armored thrusts of WWII.

He was widely considered the best Allied general (not just American) by the German General Staff, and this included generals of the caliber of Erich von Manstein.

Zhukov’s units had been bled white during the final push from the Oder, and I have no doubt that Patton would have waxed his ass.

His “failures” had nothing to do with his generalship, but his abrasive personality and unwillingness to put up with political BS. The same BS that allowed Montgomery to retain his position even after his failures during Normandy (Caen) and Holland (Operation Market-Garden).

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