Interesting commentary on the Vegas economy (paging FlyerInHI)

[FlyerInHi]

There’s no guarantee that one person who went to college possesses better English skills than another non college educated person.

But in the aggregate, college graduates have better English skills. The aggregate is where the bias is.

All else being equal, what’s wrong with preferring college grads?

[Anonymous]

[quote=FlyerInHi]There’s no guarantee that one person who went to college possesses better English skills than another non college educated person.

But in the aggregate, college graduates have better English skills. The aggregate is where the bias is.

All else being equal, what’s wrong with preferring college grads?[/quote]

You are the perfect example of a person who has bought into the brainwashing of the academic industry propaganda.

You believe, without any evidence, that somehow society is better (whatever that means) if everybody had a college degree. This is baseless nonsense.

The only thing for sure if everybody went to college, millions more would be straddled with mountains of debt while the academic institutions would be rolling in the dough.

[Anonymous]

[quote=FlyerInHi]There’s no guarantee that one person who went to college possesses better English skills than another non college educated person.

But in the aggregate, college graduates have better English skills. The aggregate is where the bias is.

All else being equal, what’s wrong with preferring college grads?[/quote]

I work with several college grads (UCSD) who can barely speak English. It is pretty embarrassing actually, if I were a UCSD alumni I would tell them WTF.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=deadzone]
You believe, without any evidence, that somehow society is better (whatever that means) if everybody had a college degree. This is baseless nonsense.
[/quote]

Is it nonsense to say that near universal high school education has made us a better society?

Why can’t we raise the bar and aim for college for everyone? At least everyone who wants a college education should have access.

I don’t necessarily condone how education is financed, but in principle, a college education is better than none.

[Anonymous]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=deadzone]
You believe, without any evidence, that somehow society is better (whatever that means) if everybody had a college degree. This is baseless nonsense.
[/quote]

Is it nonsense to say that near universal high school education has made us a better society?

Why can’t we raise the bar and aim for college for everyone? At least everyone who wants a college education should have access.

I don’t necessarily condone how education is financed, but in principle, a college education is better than none.[/quote]

Okay, so ditch diggers need College education too, by your logic.

I’ll assume you are either joking, or have just no clue how the real world operates.

[no_such_reality]

[quote=deadzone][quote=FlyerInHi][quote=deadzone]
You believe, without any evidence, that somehow society is better (whatever that means) if everybody had a college degree. This is baseless nonsense.
[/quote]

Is it nonsense to say that near universal high school education has made us a better society?

Why can’t we raise the bar and aim for college for everyone? At least everyone who wants a college education should have access.

I don’t necessarily condone how education is financed, but in principle, a college education is better than none.[/quote]

Okay, so ditch diggers need College education too, by your logic.

I’ll assume you are either joking, or have just no clue how the real world operates.[/quote]

A ditch digger that understands basic finance, compound interest and time value of money, along with the reading comprehension skills and mastery of English and critical thinking skills to evaluate political ads at more than a sound bite level probably is more desirable.

I’ll even give the benefit to say the same goes for the social sciences in increasing basic societal understanding assisting in establishing a more harmonious society allowing all to flourish.

If education increases the knowledge level of individuals and their ability to interact and improve upon their and society’s situation then yes. But if the degree pursuit is about fulfilling bureaucratic red tape requirements, then much like technical certifications, they are pretty meaningless.

And the difference between the top and above is self evident in our current education complex IMHO

[Anonymous]

Again, none of those skills you mention require a college education.

You guys represent the result of our society’s brainwashing about the faux need to college educate the masses.

[CA renter]

Agree with deadzone, while also acknowledging the need for the general public to understand finance and have some familiarity with social sciences, etc.

But every year of education costs a lot of money, so we have to do a cost analysis to determine if extending the years of academic education is worth it, either individually, or to society.

Also, many people are not cut out for college. They just aren’t academic types, with many of them either dropping out of high school, or just barely scraping by through school. Does that mean that they are worthless to society? Hell no! And that’s where we fall short — we send the message that their contributions don’t mean anything, and that their work isn’t valuable. The truth is that their work is often the most valuable because they’re the ones who physically build and maintain all of the things that the “smart” folks are buying and selling. They create the infrastructure that facilitates trade.

Blue collar work is every bit as important as white collar work, if not more so. We need to change the message and get the right types of education to the right people, whether it’s vocational training or university (or something altogether different). And we need to stop pretending that one type of education or skill set is superior to another. Society is best off when the skills and talents of every person are maximized.

[FlyerInHi]

Who said blue collar work is not valuable?

University is not about vocation. It’s about exploration and learning. As a society, why not give everyone who wants a college education access to one.

Ditch diggers may not need college education. But, in the aggregate, they are better off for having learned.

There’s are lots of good and services we don’t “need”. But we are better off for having them. Plus producing those things are good for the economy. Like travel, leisure and entertainment.

[CA renter]

Because those educations cost money. Whether it’s paid for by taxpayers or the individual students (see student debt bubble articles), if it doesn’t make financial sense, it shouldn’t be done. Students should be able to get a good education in the 12+ years that they currently get on the taxpayer’s dime.

[CA renter]

Just came across this article by Robert Reich that relates to this very topic:

https://theconversation.com/college-grads-still-earn-a-premium-if-they-can-find-a-good-job-35744

[scaredyclassic]

“You blew 150k on an education you could have gotten in $1.50 in late fees from the library.”

good will hunting.

[Anonymous]

The only economic gain by sending everybody to college is money for the academic industry. Sounds like you are part of that industry based on your clear bias

[spdrun]

Not really. Giving everyone who can hack it the OPPORTUNITY to go to college is a good thing. Otherwise you might have potentially brilliant engineers or doctors sweeping streets.

[Anonymous]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Who said blue collar work is not valuable?

University is not about vocation. It’s about exploration and learning. As a society, why not give everyone who wants a college education access to one.

Ditch diggers may not need college education. But, in the aggregate, they are better off for having learned.

There’s are lots of good and services we don’t “need”. But we are better off for having them. Plus producing those things are good for the economy. Like travel, leisure and entertainment.[/quote]

Not everybody wants or needs a college education. You have to look beyond this “one size fits all” mentality. Just because college education was beneficial to you or me doesn’t mean it makes sense for your neighbor. Do you have a college degree? If so, it certainly failed to teach you an understanding of the real world.

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