Illegal workers hired by city through a contractor

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=deadzone]So how is your statement different from open borders? In your view should we allow any individual in the world to come here and live and work? If not, then why is it okay for Mexicans to sneak across the border in blatant violation of our laws and allow them to live and work as long as they choose. Meanwhile, my hypothetical cousin from the Phillipines cannot even obtain a visa to visit the U.S. let alone work here.[/quote]

I didn’t say we should allow anyone to come here. But if they are here already and contribute to our economy, they should be allowed to stay legally, with a path to citizenship.

How we deal with people already resident in the US has nothing to do with how we grant visas to would be entrants. Your attempt to link the 2 issues is emotional rather than rational.

[Anonymous]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=deadzone]So how is your statement different from open borders? In your view should we allow any individual in the world to come here and live and work? If not, then why is it okay for Mexicans to sneak across the border in blatant violation of our laws and allow them to live and work as long as they choose. Meanwhile, my hypothetical cousin from the Phillipines cannot even obtain a visa to visit the U.S. let alone work here.[/quote]

I didn’t say we should allow anyone to come here. But if they are here already and contribute to our economy, they should be allowed to stay legally, with a path to citizenship.

How we deal with people already resident in the US has nothing to do with how we grant visas to would be entrants. Your attempt to link the 2 issues is emotional rather than rational.[/quote]

You are the one that is irrational.

If you reward illegal, law breaking immigrants just “because they are already here”, why wouldn’t millions more decide to also sneak in and/or overstay their Visa. That is sending a message that the floodgates are open.

So are you okay if I invite my cousin Manny from the Phillipines to come over on a tourist Visa and just stay forever and work odd jobs under the table (or over the table with fraudulent SSN)? Great, since you are okay with that, I have some other cousins that would like to give that a shot. Oh and my co-worker has nephews in Mexico that want to come to the U.S. let them come too. In fact with your rules, let anybody come that wants to.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=deadzone]

So are you okay if I invite my cousin Manny from the Phillipines to come over on a tourist Visa and just stay forever and work odd jobs under the table (or over the table with fraudulent SSN)? Great, since you are okay with that, I have some other cousins that would like to give that a shot. Oh and my co-worker has nephews in Mexico that want to come to the U.S. let them come too. In fact with your rules, let anybody come that wants to.[/quote]

You can invite your cousin to come visit if he wants. There are consequences and downsides if he decides to overstay his visa. If he wants to endure years of hardship without any future guarantee, with possibility of deportation, without health insurance, then all the power to him. If he does that for 10, 20, or 30 years, I would say he well deserves a path to citizenship.

Remember, about the undocumented residents already here, we are talking about people who can document residency prior to a certain date, have children who are American citizens, don’t have a criminal record, and have other qualifications that would make them eligible should we eventually adopt immigration reform. It’s not free for all for anyone and everyone.

If you read a little about DACA and DAPA, you will see what the rules are.
If we pass immigration reform, under a Democrat president, those people would have a path to citizenship. That would be a process that would take years.
So, no, your cousin or new arrivals from Mexico would not be eligible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_Action_for_Childhood_Arrivals
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_Action_for_Parents_of_Americans

[Anonymous]

Now we know why Manny can’t get a tourist visa.

[moneymaker]

Manny will probably find a path to citizenship in the US Navy as many before him have, not saying that someone who serves doesn’t deserve it just kinda wondering why the US military allows people to serve that are not US citizens to begin with.

[Anonymous]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=deadzone]

So are you okay if I invite my cousin Manny from the Phillipines to come over on a tourist Visa and just stay forever and work odd jobs under the table (or over the table with fraudulent SSN)? Great, since you are okay with that, I have some other cousins that would like to give that a shot. Oh and my co-worker has nephews in Mexico that want to come to the U.S. let them come too. In fact with your rules, let anybody come that wants to.[/quote]

You can invite your cousin to come visit if he wants. There are consequences and downsides if he decides to overstay his visa. If he wants to endure years of hardship without any future guarantee, with possibility of deportation, without health insurance, then all the power to him. If he does that for 10, 20, or 30 years, I would say he well deserves a path to citizenship.

Remember, about the undocumented residents already here, we are talking about people who can document residency prior to a certain date, have children who are American citizens, don’t have a criminal record, and have other qualifications that would make them eligible should we eventually adopt immigration reform. It’s not free for all for anyone and everyone.

If you read a little about DACA and DAPA, you will see what the rules are.
If we pass immigration reform, under a Democrat president, those people would have a path to citizenship. That would be a process that would take years.
So, no, your cousin or new arrivals from Mexico would not be eligible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_Action_for_Childhood_Arrivals
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_Action_for_Parents_of_Americans%5B/quote%5D

What hardship? With fake SSN and minimum wage increasing to $15 in a few years, Manny will earn much more working here than he could as a white collar professional in the Phillipines. Virtually no chance of deportation. Medical care? Not a big deal, he can get insurance through Obama care if he wants, but why pay? Just do what all the Mexican illegals do and game the system. Since he will be here illegally, I am not responsible for his debts even though I am family. Next, he can have an anchor baby and start collecting welfare and foodstamps. And eventually he will be granted “path to citizenship” thanks to the generous American’s like yourself.

[FlyerInHi]

Deadzone, part of it is generosity in the spirit of Liberty:
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

But the main part is that when we grow the pie everyone wins.

Manny can come here if he believes the incentives are worth it. And we will always have immigrants coming.

Policy wise, net migration from Mexico is down so unauthorized entry is not a problem.

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